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CoachZ

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You going to call


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San Diego made Danielle O'Toole sit... not unprecedented


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If FIU does not grant the release they will get murdered over it by every school on the recruiting trail.


I wonder if this is what affected SDSU's poor record this year?
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Unfortunately SO TRUE with BYU's Sidney Brodrick - she was totally happy at her year end interview, then within 2 weeks she was heading to FSU to play.  Of course, it was right after she worked a camp in Florida with an FSU coach.....    Seems like recruiting off another schools roster should be illegal, don't you think?  


This is 100% inaccurate. My daughter played with Broderick and none of this post has any truth to it. And there was never a FSU coach at a camp with her. Get your facts straight.
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Well Michigan State had a transfer last year (sophomore) that went to Ole Miss as a junior this year and did not sit out. She played up until recently so not sure what happened but that is a good example of a player not being required to sit out.


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Yeahhhhh..... Michigan State wasn't gonna be making anyone sit out
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NCAA does not require you to sit out a year as long as you get a release from your coach. This is a one time allowance. If you do NOT get a release, then you have to sit out. This does not use a year of eligibility. It just uses a year off of your 5 year clock.
This is ENTIRELY separate from some specific conference rules which may require a player from their own conference transferring to another school in that conference. I believe the SEC has this rule- if a player transfers from one SEC school to another, they have to sit a year.
These reasons would be why some players have to sit and some do not.
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Well Michigan State had a transfer last year (sophomore) that went to Ole Miss as a junior this year and did not sit out. She played up until recently so not sure what happened but that is a good example of a player not being required to sit out.



Coaches/administrators have the choice of releasing or denying players from transferring and playing right away.
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Understood. But UCF is not on her list.

She would be welcomed at Alabama![smile]
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Cajuns could use a pitcher as well.
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Coaches/administrators have the choice of releasing or denying players from transferring and playing right away.


However, if the coach and/or athletic administrator denies the release the NCAA requires the student-athlete have the right of appeal to a University committee that includes faculty members. If the athlete does appeal most win the appeal. Many coaches don't want to go through this process for fear of 'dirty laundry' being aired thus most grant the release allowing the athlete to play immediately, conference-specific agreements not withstanding.
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However, if the coach and/or athletic administrator denies the release the NCAA requires the student-athlete have the right of appeal to a University committee that includes faculty members. If the athlete does appeal most win the appeal. Many coaches don't want to go through this process for fear of 'dirty laundry' being aired thus most grant the release allowing the athlete to play immediately, conference-specific agreements not withstanding.


There have been a few in the neighborhood that were denied.
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Can someone help me here?  A student asks for a transfer.  Coach denies the release.  Student still leaves.  Student has to sit out a year. Red shirt if they have one....  Does that student get to practice with the team during that sit out year?  Is it the same for a student who red shirts? Thanks
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Can someone help me here?  A student asks for a transfer.  Coach denies the release.  Student still leaves.  Student has to sit out a year. Red shirt if they have one....  Does that student get to practice with the team during that sit out year?  Is it the same for a student who red shirts? Thanks


A coach can give a release but not grant the "one-time transfer." That means the kid can go to another school and practice but has to sit out a year. I think they can also get athletic money. If a coach doesn't grant a release, I don't think they can get athletic money.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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A coach can give a release but not grant the "one-time transfer." That means the kid can go to another school and practice but has to sit out a year. I think they can also get athletic money. If a coach doesn't grant a release, I don't think they can get athletic money.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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They can appeal to the NCAA too.
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She would look good in Garnet 🐔


Oh yes! We will take her for sure
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Oh yes! We will take her for sure


Naw Red & Black looks better 😉
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Wherever the winds take Miss Sailes (see what I did there?), I hope she is happy. I think it's clear so many of us want her in our colors, but outside of that I hope she makes the decision that fulfills everything she needs. She seems like an outstanding young lady.

Go Dawgs!
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Northeast team (D1) looking for a transfer pitcher. If you know of any inquiries, please DM me. Thanks
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Size of school? How far north? Might have a good candidate for the right program. Couldn’t get DM to send...
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In reality there is not crap FIU can do to stop her. The only way they can effectively prevent her from transferring is to intimidate her into thinking they can absolutely refuse to grant a release and cause her to fear some reprisals against them. Saying "they have stalled" as though they have the power to stop her enables them. 

If they are not cooperative, going public will mean they will grant the release and if not, there will be big negative pub for FIU and then they will. 


I don't have a horse in this race nor a dog in this fight, But I would like to chime in with an outside perspective;

Outside of CoachZ have any of you spoken directly to Saile or a member of the FIU staff? I would venture to guess that's a NO. Almost certain that's a NO! So with that in mind why bury FIU you have NO idea what has gone on with-in their decision making nor do you know why they are thinking the way they are. Maybe they have a damn good reason to not sign a release? Maybe not, but you do NOT know. If they grant her, her release are they not setting a precedence? I think so.

As with ANY student athlete that wishes to transfer shouldn't they be held accountable for anything? 
I mean they did commit to and sign with the institution so shouldn't the athlete be held to that agreement? Or should they just be free to come and go to different schools as they wish?

As far as FIU being hurt by not signing a release, why would that hurt them?
Do you see student athletes using mid Majors as a spring board into Major D1 Programs?
Are future student athletes really going to decide on a school based on their history of signing a release? I hope not! IF they do, I wouldn't want them in my program. 

As a parent wouldn't one want their child playing for a school that holds their student athletes accountable? Wouldn't they want their child playing with and being surround by teammates that are committed and accountable or would you rather be one of those parents that say when things don't work out you can just quit and leave your teammates and commitment behind?  

Where are all these Major D1 schools when these student athletes are in HS and being recruited? How do they end up at a mid major? NO D1 offers I would presume and why is that? They weren't good enough! Hey then here is a concept, maybe then the Mid Major staff has something to do with one developing into being a Major D1 Player? If so, wouldn't you as a coach and institution be hesitant to simply release a player like that after you have brought out the best in them?

CoachZ I have no reason to believe you are not Saile's pitching coach so I ask you why is it that she did not sign with a Major D1 school out of High School? Was she not a D1 caliber pitcher? As her coach I am sure you wanted only the very best for her and wanted to see her excel, which she has done.
Put yourself in the position of a college coach, If you had a player excel into the pitcher she has become over the past two years wouldn't you want her to continue with that success with the team and staff that have assisted her in getting there? You know the old saying, you gotta dance with the girl you came to the prom with, does that no longer apply?

As far as her wanting to play on National TV and in the WCWS, who is to say that if she stays at FIU that she doesn't lead them to that Platform? Think about that, what would her legacy be if she stayed at FIU and lead the team to a WCWS Appearance? I think that's a much bigger accomplishment then transferring to a Major D1 school and getting to a WCWS, because isn't that what is expected of you at these other schools?

In the end, in 2 years she will still end up the same place if she had stayed at FIU or transferred to a major D1 school. She'll be holding her diploma and looking for a job. The only difference might be she appeared on TV in the WCWS.

OH hey Griggs, you are all out and in recruit mode how did the call go with CoachZ? Did Beth Jump on that call too?

That's my take, you all have a great day.

PS: She knows where she is going, or at least where she wants to go. NO way does any student athlete request a release and not have already had discussions with their options. And I would venture to guess that none of these schools mentioned on this thread are ones she has had talks with.





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As with ANY student athlete that wishes to transfer shouldn't they be held accountable for anything? 
I mean they did commit to and sign with the institution so shouldn't the athlete be held to that agreement? Or should they just be free to come and go to different schools as they wish?



Are they not being held to the same "accountability" standard as the coach?  At these mid-major schools, the scholarship is year-to-year and coaches routinely decide not to ask certain players back, or severely cut their aid.  The S-A signed the same 1-year commitment that the coach did.  Per the rules, yes, they are free to transfer to another D1 school one time as they wish, with reasonable restrictions (no in-conference transfer, etc.).

I don't understand the point you are trying to make with these rhetorical questions at all.  Sounds like you expect a complete, 4-year commitment by the player, yet the coach/school can act as they see fit within the rules.  It doesn't, and shouldn't, work that way.
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Are they not being held to the same "accountability" standard as the coach?  At these mid-major schools, the scholarship is year-to-year and coaches routinely decide not to ask certain players back, or severely cut their aid.  The S-A signed the same 1-year commitment that the coach did.  Per the rules, yes, they are free to transfer to another D1 school one time as they wish, with reasonable restrictions (no in-conference transfer, etc.).

I don't understand the point you are trying to make with these rhetorical questions at all.  Sounds like you expect a complete, 4-year commitment by the player, yet the coach/school can act as they see fit within the rules.  It doesn't, and shouldn't, work that way.


I understand your point that a scholarship is year to year, but from my experience if a student athlete does what is expected of him/her they typically don't get any cuts. Does it happen absolutely, but typically it is warranted by their actions on or off the field/courts.
IF aide is cut or a student athlete is released from a scholarship can't they transfer with out sitting out? Additionally, if a coach leaves can't a student athlete transfer with no release required and not have to sit out?
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If a player isn't worth their scholarship, they can be cut, right?  On the flip side, if a player decides they are worth more or should be playing at a higher level, they can leave, right?  It's mutual, as it should be.
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If a player isn't worth their scholarship, they can be cut, right?  On the flip side, if a player decides they are worth more or should be playing at a higher level, they can leave, right?  It's mutual, as it should be.


It is a 2-way street, I suppose.  A perfect illustration of that is Sydney Smith, who jumped ship at LSU last year to go to Minnesota, only to have her new coach leave for Stanford a week later.  I think it is a gamble for everyone.  Is the grass greener on the other side? Sometimes.  
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If a player isn't worth their scholarship, they can be cut, right?  On the flip side, if a player decides they are worth more or should be playing at a higher level, they can leave, right?  It's mutual, as it should be.


P5 Schools can most certainly cut a player. But cannot cut their Athletic scholarship.
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P5 Schools can most certainly cut a player. But cannot cut their Athletic scholarship.


If coach cuts a player they have to leave them on scholarship???

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If coach cuts a player they have to leave them on scholarship???



P5 schools have athletic scholarships that are guaranteed for 4 years. You can cut the player, but you have to let them stay at the school with the scholarship. If they choose to transfer, you get the scholarship back for a new player.
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P5 schools have athletic scholarships that are guaranteed for 4 years. You can cut the player, but you have to let them stay at the school with the scholarship. If they choose to transfer, you get the scholarship back for a new player.



Which I think is total bs, especially if the player just does not turn out to be a good program fit.
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If a player isn't worth their scholarship, they can be cut, right?  On the flip side, if a player decides they are worth more or should be playing at a higher level, they can leave, right?  It's mutual, as it should be.


Seems as though this is NOT the case, See comments below.
If a player gets cut they get to maintain their scholarship.
So NO they should not be allowed to freely leave at will. just another reason when a player is developed by their coach regardless of mid major or major and they want to leave for greener pastures they should not be able to just up and go.
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