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sftbll4ever

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I understand players transfer because of issues like playing time, coaches, and other things... Also, the players need to learn how to deal with a challenge instead of running away from an issue so quick... Learn how to compete and most important do their research before committing to the University...


Also, when a player gets on campus and is told they are fat and are continually degraded and belittled in front of the team by the coach a player is supposed to just take that?  Kid was also a starter as a freshman so playing time was not an issue.  

Not all research works out either.  My kids coach was given glowing remarks from a friend that I went to HS with and with whom she played with.  No one knew she was an abuser.  

Sometimes it is just a toxic situation that is not healthy for ANY person to have to try and deal with.
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I think so. Hopefully she will do well for the Wildcats. Could not imagine Spellman handling the pitching for UK.....yikes.
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Also, when a player gets on campus and is told they are fat and are continually degraded and belittled in front of the team by the coach a player is supposed to just take that?  Kid was also a starter as a freshman so playing time was not an issue.  

Not all research works out either.  My kids coach was given glowing remarks from a friend that I went to HS with and with whom she played with.  No one knew she was an abuser.  

Sometimes it is just a toxic situation that is not healthy for ANY person to have to try and deal with.



Good lord, is the player fat?  Then it's the truth!  
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No one should be publicly demeaned by a Coach ever due to how she looks.  Yes a coach can call out not working or needing to improve skill but body comments should be off limits!!!!  Please get all coaches removed that have to stoop to middle school bullying!!! 
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Why is a player coming to the fall season overweight?  There is no excuse, you know the rules. Where is player responsibility? They are paying you to do a job.

There is a line, Coaches should never call a person fat. Nor should any employer, as a manager I would be fired on the spot for doing that, or written up never to be promoted again.  However, there are those people who twist words. Did the coach say you are fat? Or did the coach say you are overweight and are required to get into shape to play?  Some people are raised to be victims and some are raised to be bullies.  

That being said, I think its interesting that many of these players are recruited knowing that there is a weight problem. So a coach better figure it out quick.  

 

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Good lord, is the player fat?  Then it's the truth!  


The thing with "fat" players is that there have been "fat" players who have done just fine at the D1 level:  Nueveman and Veronica Nelson to name two.  There's a difference between just being fat and being fat and out of shape.
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I think so. Hopefully she will do well for the Wildcats. Could not imagine Spellman handling the pitching for UK.....yikes.


There's Rethlake, Spellman and 2 freshman.
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There are a lot of "FAT" players who can hit the hell out of a ball
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Why is a player coming to the fall season overweight?  There is no excuse, you know the rules. Where is player responsibility? They are paying you to do a job.

There is a line, Coaches should never call a person fat. Nor should any employer, as a manager I would be fired on the spot for doing that, or written up never to be promoted again.  However, there are those people who twist words. Did the coach say you are fat? Or did the coach say you are overweight and are required to get into shape to play?  Some people are raised to be victims and some are raised to be bullies.  

That being said, I think its interesting that many of these players are recruited knowing that there is a weight problem. So a coach better figure it out quick.  

 


I would think a player that comes in about 150 and then is told for them to pitch effectively they should realistically be 130 and told to lose 20 lbs because they are "FAT" is just wrong. Having done the required workout given to freshman and doing more than required because they know the extra work it takes, and then being told not enough!!!  WRONG!!!

Fastforward 2 years new school, new coach.  End of season meeting and knowing she was overweight told coaches she understood she needed to do more work and would be in shape for season.  Coaches said they didn't feel she needed to lose too much, but her expectations were much higher.  Having weighing in at OVER 150 she knew the coaches deserved better, why, because they earned her respect.  There are ways to handle situations and ways not too.  

I could go on about how a new pitching coach came in and decided to skinny shame her next but we will leave that one to rest.

All I am saying is there are many relevant reasons to transfer and much as there are many reasons NOT to transfer!!!  Coaches are just as responsible as the privileged kids/parents.  Reasons are not always cookie cutter or black and white.  There can be gray areas!!!
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There's Rethlake, Spellman and 2 freshman.


I got Rethlake's graduation date mixed up. She will likely be the ace if Humes doesn't take it. Spellman needs work
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The thing with "fat" players is that there have been "fat" players who have done just fine at the D1 level:  Nueveman and Veronica Nelson to name two.  There's a difference between just being fat and being fat and out of shape.



Exactly!  My point was that if the player is fat, then it's the truth.  Nothing about playing ability.  Lol.[smile]

Now fat pitchers, big diff!  When Keilani Ricketts slimmed down the fat and packed on the muscle, she was ridiculously awesome compared to just really good.
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Exactly!  My point was that if the player is fat, then it's the truth.  Nothing about playing ability.  Lol.[smile]

Now fat pitchers, big diff!  When Keilani Ricketts slimmed down the fat and packed on the muscle, she was ridiculously awesome compared to just really good.


Paige Parker is awesome already.  I suppose we could start calling her Wonder Woman if she "slimmed down?"
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IMO, there is a difference between being fat and being a big, ole country hoss
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Exactly!  My point was that if the player is fat, then it's the truth.  Nothing about playing ability.  Lol.[smile]

Now fat pitchers, big diff!  When Keilani Ricketts slimmed down the fat and packed on the muscle, she was ridiculously awesome compared to just really good.


Though in general I agree with you and think that slimming a pitcher down and adding muscle can do nothing but good, there have been some solid pitchers that did just fine without slimming down:  Keira Goerl.  

It will always be my stance that KR's junior and senior year success had a lot to do with Michelle developing as a #2 that was solid enough to take substantial innings away from KR.  Obviously KR was good from the get-go, but seeing her exhausted her FR and SO year was not fun to watch.
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The thing with "fat" players is that there have been "fat" players who have done just fine at the D1 level:  Nueveman and Veronica Nelson to name two.  There's a difference between just being fat and being fat and out of shape.


Brittney Gray at UGA is bigger than most.
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Heard that Brooke Perry has transferred from Purdue to Gardner Webb.
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I would think a player that comes in about 150 and then is told for them to pitch effectively they should realistically be 130 and told to lose 20 lbs because they are "FAT" is just wrong. Having done the required workout given to freshman and doing more than required because they know the extra work it takes, and then being told not enough!!!  WRONG!!!

Fastforward 2 years new school, new coach.  End of season meeting and knowing she was overweight told coaches she understood she needed to do more work and would be in shape for season.  Coaches said they didn't feel she needed to lose too much, but her expectations were much higher.  Having weighing in at OVER 150 she knew the coaches deserved better, why, because they earned her respect.  There are ways to handle situations and ways not too.  

I could go on about how a new pitching coach came in and decided to skinny shame her next but we will leave that one to rest.

All I am saying is there are many relevant reasons to transfer and much as there are many reasons NOT to transfer!!!  Coaches are just as responsible as the privileged kids/parents.  Reasons are not always cookie cutter or black and white.  There can be gray areas!!!


Holy cow - that is a bad example.. I can't imagine any coach telling a 150 lb player that she is fat especially as a pitcher. Are you talking about D1 players here? With the workouts these players do year round I have to believe the majority of players in D1 are at least 150 lbs and most are more.
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With me being a coach I can't imagine that kind of pressure being put on a young lady. It's abuse. Can you pitch or not is the issue. Crazy stuff.
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Holy cow - that is a bad example.. I can't imagine any coach telling a 150 lb player that she is fat especially as a pitcher. Are you talking about D1 players here? With the workouts these players do year round I have to believe the majority of players in D1 are at least 150 lbs and most are more.


It was a D1, but a lower level D1. 

Good thing is after she decided not to play softball for a year and never touched a ball and decided to go back and play....she walked on at a D1 that did very well on the West coast (no not PAC) and lost weight her way.  Now is on her way to getting her masters and getting her first big girl job as a police officer.
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Brittany Gray at UGA is bigger than most.


She has nothing on ole Morgan "Mo' Burgerzzz" Montemayor
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Paige Parker is awesome already.  I suppose we could start calling her Wonder Woman if she "slimmed down?"



It looks like PP packed on about 20lbs last season.
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She has nothing on ole Morgan "Mo' Burgerzzz" Montemayor



Yes Montemayor and Gray are the types I am talking about.

150lbs is definitely not a problem unless you are only like 5ft tall.  I am 5'5 155 right now with a lot of muscle but am carrying 12 extra lbs of fat![smile]
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Yes Montemayor and Gray are the types I am talking about.

150lbs is definitely not a problem unless you are only like 5ft tall.  I am 5'5 155 right now with a lot of muscle but am carrying 12 extra lbs of fat![smile]



you'd be surprised of the weight of many of the girls that pack muscle. they can weight 20-30# heavier than what they look.
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you'd be surprised of the weight of many of the girls that pack muscle. they can weight 20-30# heavier than what they look.

I agree my kid is 5' 10". 160 pounds she looks slim but is very strong.
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5-10, 160 is a stringbean
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5-10, 160 is a stringbean

I agree was going off the 150 pounds is fat post.
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5-10, 160 is a stringbean


My daughter is also @ 5'-10", 160 lbs, and she looks big standing next to most of her non-athletic friends, but when she is on a softball field or standing next to a bunch of softball players, she looks thin.  
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Yes... I meant in our context on this board.
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5-10, 160 is a stringbean


What do you call a girl that is 5'10" and 135lbs? 
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Dung will be in the PAC 12[wink] 


There's a lot about Dung in this form so I wanted to just add my gossip. I've talked to one of the middle-man coaches for Dung and gathered that she had full offers (probably due to her public family troubles) ranging from Ole Miss, U of Missouri, Mississippi State, U of Illinois, Oklahoma State, Tennessee, Texas A&M, U of Arizona, Cal, and others I can't remember. There were obviously many more partial offers/ interest from p5 (ASU, etc) and non p5 as well as full's from smaller schools (LMU, Fullerton, those type of schools). Despite all the interest, I believe she only gave permission to contact to only two schools (U of Arizona, who offered full due to her potential and ace experience - said she would be a good complement to the lefty, McQuillin, and was believed to be a potential shout out pitcher, with a few tips and tweaks. And Cal, who also offered full due to their team's desperate need for all and any help they can get after this past season). Ultimately, her plan was to go to U of A, but it seems like she decided it was too hard to leave CA, and decided to go the academic route, even if the team didn't do well last year.

Honestly, I don't know what I would do in this situation if I were her. I can imagine it was tough deciding between one of the best softball schools in the nation - far from home, and one of the best academic school in the nation - closer to her comfort zone. I think she would've had more success at Arizona because the team would've backed her up more and the coaching alone from Candrea would have made her into a new beast, just like he did for O'toole. I think at Cal she will struggle and have to work extremely hard along side Conley if they plan to even attempt winning some games, esp if they don't have solid hitting and fielding behind them. 

Personally, I would've said hell and picked Arizona, to become a better ball player and bragging rights lol. (also wouldn't want to be on the other side of the diamond from them) /// She just came from a team with no hitting at all, she would've been in heaven at U of Arizona with those bats!

Y'all think a degree/education from a certain school (Cal) is worth a player giving up a chance for a player to play for the best, with the best, and unlock their true potential? 
I feel bad dissecting her life like this, but that's college sports for you. Best wishes to her either way. 
 


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