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No matter where she ends up I hope it is a place where she can make a bigger impact. It would be kinda funny to watch her play with the other pitcher that left LSU because they just kept using Hoover and Walljasper

She'd be taking Kelsee's place not playing with her. 
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Lol - you watch too much ESPN. So in your world, a kid, who UW saw countless times, can go to Rutgers, get coached up and improve and then transfer to UW without sitting out. But the same coach, if a player underperforms, isn't allowed to cut their money. makes total sense


I am sorry but "get coached up at Rutgers", she was an excellent player prior to getting to Rutgers. It seems to me everyone was doing their job, the player did her job for the year she was there based on her stats posted, the coach saw her potential and recruited her, the travel coach got her where she wanted to be.  Unless the player signed an agreement to play the next year why should she be forced to stay?  If she signed at the end of the season and stated she was coming back then she should have to sit out a year but if she didn't then she should be free to leave without sitting. 





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Brings up another question.... are kids NOT signing four-year LOIs?
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Brings up another question.... are kids NOT signing four-year LOIs?


They are at the Power 5 conferences but that's only binding on the school, not the kid.
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I am sorry but "get coached up at Rutgers", she was an excellent player prior to getting to Rutgers. It seems to me everyone was doing their job, the player did her job for the year she was there based on her stats posted, the coach saw her potential and recruited her, the travel coach got her where she wanted to be.  Unless the player signed an agreement to play the next year why should she be forced to stay?  If she signed at the end of the season and stated she was coming back then she should have to sit out a year but if she didn't then she should be free to leave without sitting. 






My issue with all this is that according to all of my sources she was happy and not looking to transfer. Now I could be completely wrong on that as I have not talked to her directly. So my issue is with the 3rd party travel ball coach who found a place for her to go before finding out if she wanted to leave or not. Why does he feel the need to destroy someone's (in this case Rutgers) recruiting efforts and attempts to make their program better because he wants to help Tarr or Candrea or whatever other Power 5 name he wants to suck up to? If a kid is unhappy or not playing then by all means they should be allowed to transfer. But it's disgusting to see these guys who have no connection to a kid go out and "shop" pitchers and players of the year in smaller conferences or players at bad programs who had a good year to bigger Power 5 name brands.
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They are at the Power 5 conferences but that's only binding on the school, not the kid.
Thanks for that... wipes away a lingering question
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I have some doubt these travel coaches acted as an agent for a kid (or her parent) who didn't at least vocalize ... an itch ... to get onto a bigger stage.
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I am sorry but "get coached up at Rutgers", she was an excellent player prior to getting to Rutgers. It seems to me everyone was doing their job, the player did her job for the year she was there based on her stats posted, the coach saw her potential and recruited her, the travel coach got her where she wanted to be.  Unless the player signed an agreement to play the next year why should she be forced to stay?  If she signed at the end of the season and stated she was coming back then she should have to sit out a year but if she didn't then she should be free to leave without sitting. 


just not good enough to get to Washington until she went to Rutgers, who lose their best player for all their work.
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I have some doubt these travel coaches acted as an agent for a kid (or her parent) who didn't at least vocalize ... an itch ... to get onto a bigger stage.


Winner winner chicken dinner!!  OldWiseOne and Narrator are completely off on Taryn Atlee. First off, Taryn was recruited back in her freshman/sophomore years by several of the schools she was considering a transfer to including WASHINGTON. It had always been one of her top choices. Not sure where OldWiseOne got his information but I can tell you that your information is not correct. And Taryn was always and is a Power 5 type player as she played for me for two years. She did not get "coached up" as she was a stud before she got to Rutgers. 

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Well...jmo... it does beg, if she was this player for all these travel-ball years in the plenty-exposed SoCal stew, how it was only Rutgers in the end
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Well...jmo... it does beg, if she was this player for all these travel-ball years in the plenty-exposed SoCal stew, how it was only Rutgers in the end


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Well...jmo... it does beg, if she was this player for all these travel-ball years in the plenty-exposed SoCal stew, how it was only Rutgers in the end


Victim of early recruiting. Because of her smaller stature, no one came up with money early on and thus she went to Rutgers. She had actually committed to Rutgers at end of sophomore year. The big schools did not have any money left because she was not a pitcher or HR hitter. Her game really evolved the last two years in travel ball. If recruiting was like the old days when they recruited juniors/seniors, she would have gone to a bigger school straight out of high school.

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So she goes to a P5 school and then gets re-recruited?  Either softball needs the mandatory sit rule like the big 3 (baseball, basketball and football), or coaches/administrators need to start taking a stand.
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Sydney Golden is transferring out of Fullerton.
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Sydney golden have a school or is she looking still?  Had a good freshman year if i remember correctly
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Sydney golden have a school or is she looking still?  Had a good freshman year if i remember correctly


MLK Jr having both Osorio and Golden, and never winning a state title was always shocking to me.
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2.98 ERA in the Big West in limited innings
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Sydney golden have a school or is she looking still?  Had a good freshman year if i remember correctly


Looking!
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Catcher leaving the University of Illinois
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I thought Fullerton was the school that got all the transfers. Don't hear of kids transferring out of CSUF very often. 
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2.98 ERA in the Big West in limited innings


Yikes.
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2.98 ERA in the Big West in limited innings


Is that much different than Carlson's 3+ at UNC before becoming first team All-Conference at AU?
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My understanding was that WA wanted Atlee out of HS, she just chose Rutgers presumably because she got a better offer there. I've heard that the current interaction was out of the blue from her side not Washington "shopping". Not that Tarr and Candrea and pretty much every other high-level coach don't go "shopping", they do, just not in this case.

Sometimes, kids aren't good fits for particular schools or their experience is different than they expected. Look at Tannon Snow. That was a kick in the pants especially with her sister being the #5 recruit this year. The idea that Atlee was "coached up" and then stolen by the evil Heather Tarr is pretty funny.
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My understanding was that WA wanted Atlee out of HS, she just chose Rutgers presumably because she got a better offer there. I've heard that the current interaction was out of the blue from her side not Washington "shopping". Not that Tarr and Candrea and pretty much every other high-level coach don't go "shopping", they do, just not in this case.

Sometimes, kids aren't good fits for particular schools or their experience is different than they expected. Look at Tannon Snow. That was a kick in the pants especially with her sister being the #5 recruit this year. The idea that Atlee was "coached up" and then stolen by the evil Heather Tarr is pretty funny.


My thought was that when you sign a player you may tailor future recruiting classes around the expectation that the player in question will be there. I understand things happen and players change, but you may not sign a shortstop for next year when you have one you expect to be there for 2-3 years. This would especially be true of non-P5 teams who maybe can't afford the quality depth that some P-5 programs can manage. Just a thought about another perspective of transfers.
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My understanding was that WA wanted Atlee out of HS, she just chose Rutgers presumably because she got a better offer there. I've heard that the current interaction was out of the blue from her side not Washington "shopping". Not that Tarr and Candrea and pretty much every other high-level coach don't go "shopping", they do, just not in this case.

Sometimes, kids aren't good fits for particular schools or their experience is different than they expected. Look at Tannon Snow. That was a kick in the pants especially with her sister being the #5 recruit this year. The idea that Atlee was "coached up" and then stolen by the evil Heather Tarr is pretty funny.


As her former coach, I understand your "loyalty bias". And the evil witch Tarr casting a spell to get her to transfer is funny also. But your common theme is she was a stud who went to Rutgers because of a better offer. Rutgers might as well be named Tumbleweed Univ., Dodge City probably had a better softball program. And Rutgers & Washington are about as far apart as possible. 

It appears maybe she wasn't the prospect you thought during her recruiting days. If so, I'm thinking there would of been offers at more attractive locations than Rutgers. As a MI, she's not getting top dollar athletic money and, you make it sound like Rutgers won some bidding war for her services. 

You keep reiterating she wasn't "coached up", like it's something personal. I haven't seen that in the posts so, why is so hard to believe that once she did get to college, she did get "coached up", and got better?? Certainly appears that way. While she appears to be a competent player, her stats are somewhat underwhelming considering the schedule. Most of her damage was done in OOC play, only 7RBIs in Conference Games. She committed alot of errors-13. She was 10-13 on stolen bases. 13 errors  & 10 Stolen Bases gets you parked in the Outfield...and that's only if you can reliably get on base. 

Good for her she wants to transfer to a bigger, better program. I'm all about choices & opportunities. Question, if she gets to Washington, and her skills diminish or she's not producing, what will your excuse be? 
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As her former coach, I understand your "loyalty bias". And the evil witch Tarr casting a spell to get her to transfer is funny also. But your common theme is she was a stud who went to Rutgers because of a better offer. Rutgers might as well be named Tumbleweed Univ., Dodge City probably had a better softball program. And Rutgers & Washington are about as far apart as possible. 

It appears maybe she wasn't the prospect you thought during her recruiting days. If so, I'm thinking there would of been offers at more attractive locations than Rutgers. As a MI, she's not getting top dollar athletic money and, you make it sound like Rutgers won some bidding war for her services. 

You keep reiterating she wasn't "coached up", like it's something personal. I haven't seen that in the posts so, why is so hard to believe that once she did get to college, she did get "coached up", and got better?? Certainly appears that way. While she appears to be a competent player, her stats are somewhat underwhelming considering the schedule. Most of her damage was done in OOC play, only 7RBIs in Conference Games. She committed alot of errors-13. She was 10-13 on stolen bases. 13 errors  & 10 Stolen Bases gets you parked in the Outfield...and that's only if you can reliably get on base. 

Good for her she wants to transfer to a bigger, better program. I'm all about choices & opportunities. Question, if she gets to Washington, and her skills diminish or she's not producing, what will your excuse be? 


I wasn't her coach (you have me confused with someone else) and have no interest other than her being a player for WA, which I follow rabidly due to my association with some of the players and coaches. I don't know what her other offers were, but as I said, I know WA was interested and she didn't take them up on what they were offering choosing instead to go to Rutgers. As far as her not being that great a prospect there are kids overlooked all the time that are good. Look at Megan Kleist from OR. That said, I absolutely agree that her stats were not awesome considering the competition but I expect Tarr and her staff think she can contribute or she wouldn't be there. I think she is a pretty good bat that will probably make the starting line up and be asked to move to the outfield. 

Her BA will probably drop 100 points and it wouldn't surprise me if she ended up without a starting role. It's a gamble. If it doesn't work out, oh well. As to being coached up, how much "coaching up" do you think a program that won 5 games in the mediocre B10 was doing? And all those errors etc. don't speak to much "coaching up". No, she is what she is and I hope it works out great for her and WA.  
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Fair enough. Sorry about the confusion. 
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I wasn't her coach (you have me confused with someone else) and have no interest other than her being a player for WA, which I follow rabidly due to my association with some of the players and coaches. I don't know what her other offers were, but as I said, I know WA was interested and she didn't take them up on what they were offering choosing instead to go to Rutgers. As far as her not being that great a prospect there are kids overlooked all the time that are good. Look at Megan Kleist from OR. That said, I absolutely agree that her stats were not awesome considering the competition but I expect Tarr and her staff think she can contribute or she wouldn't be there. I think she is a pretty good bat that will probably make the starting line up and be asked to move to the outfield. 

Her BA will probably drop 100 points and it wouldn't surprise me if she ended up without a starting role. It's a gamble. If it doesn't work out, oh well. As to being coached up, how much "coaching up" do you think a program that won 5 games in the mediocre B10 was doing? And all those errors etc. don't speak to much "coaching up". No, she is what she is and I hope it works out great for her and WA.  


Exactly, Most college coaches aren't looking for a Sierra Romero or a Lauren Chamberlain because frankly there aren't that many of them out there. What college coaches are looking for is a player that has a good base to work with and build that player into a LC or SR.

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Laney Jordan has been released from Auburn ( She was expected to be competing for time on their infield after the departure of Fagan and Cooper.)
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Mikayla Werahiko is transferring out of junior college to come and play for Maryland next season.
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