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ForeverInBlue

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What we do know is that the White House is still obstructing the IRS investigation.

In August a federal court ordered the White House to comply with an FOIA request demanding emails from the White House to the IRS during the time the IRS was targeting Conservative and Tea Party groups.

The White House has yet to comply.

Weird right? Almost as if they have something to hide.
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Tyler - Many people have said Obama instructed the IRS to go after Conservative groups.  Not sure where you have been that you missed all this.  The White House denies it.  According to your "x and y" standards, we must declare somebody is lying as we have two opposite views.

Now I don't believe we have to conclude one side is lying because I don't know how one does such.  But you seem to think it's necessary and I'm asking you which one in this case is lying, "x" the White House or "y" the people who say Obama instructed the IRS to act.  Why is this harder than the question where you expected me to pick the liar?
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Dewey - this is not going to stick as the two are completely different. I never said when people have different views one party is lying. In the Benghazi case we have facts, and one party is denying saying then. In this case, we have one party accusing the other side of an action they have been unable to prove and the other side obstructing the proceedings and saying they did no such thing. Apples and oranges, thrown in with some intentional misdirection about my earlier statement. Good deflection tactic given your response above, I would do the same thing.

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Tyler, you know Dewey will never see and/or own up to the 2 cases being different. The readers recognize your Benghazi question is about a personal interaction between the players and Dewey's IRS case is not.
keepinitreal

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obama's people targeted the Tea party using the IRS. NO forum member ever said obama targeted citizens. Obama was left out of the fray just like a mob boss. They performed the dirty work of their boss while keeping the boss's hands clean.
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
Dewey - this is not going to stick as the two are completely different. I never said when people have different views one party is lying. In the Benghazi case we have facts, and one party is denying saying then. In this case, we have one party accusing the other side of an action they have been unable to prove and the other side obstructing the proceedings and saying they did no such thing. Apples and oranges, thrown in with some intentional misdirection about my earlier statement. Good deflection tactic given your response above, I would do the same thing.


These two examples are nearly identical.  In the IRS we have facts of an action and the White House is denying involvement.  Same so far.  The other party is accusing the White House of lying but they are unable to prove it.  Who's lying, White House, (the Hillary in your example), or those accusing the other side of lying.

Imagine this...Hillary hugs the families during this sad meeting and says we'll get those terrorists and we'll arrest that filmmaker too.  Maybe the families thought she was tying the two together and didn't realize it was her way of saying we're going after everyone who commits or incites violence.  Kind of covers all the bases.  Why do you think a SOS would mention the filmmaker to the parents?  For votes from the family?
keepinitreal

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Tyler - Many people have said Obama instructed the IRS to go after Conservative groups.  Not sure where you have been that you missed all this.


Many generally means double digits. Can you name 3? Tough question

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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Tyler - Too much interference to continue so let me just close by saying there are many instances where we can't say x or y are lying.  In fact, most disagreements probably don't involve a "liar".  Maybe there's a difference in opinion as to what was heard, what the context was, etc.  Maybe there's a misunderstanding of the facts at hand.  Bluedog will say he was called a racist when it was said he owned a KKK hood or practiced bigotry.  Others will say it was a joke and they weren't really suggesting he's a racist.  Is it truth because it actually happened or is it not because it was tongue-in-cheek?  Some of these events are much too complex to demand the liar label.
keepinitreal

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Too much interference on a 50,000 member forum. Now that is a first. When you take 2 days on Cruz deporting school children, 2 days on the Hastert rule, 2 days on defending hilLIARy the lying b'tch, don't preach about interference, preach about rabbit holes. Good of you to "close". Now run along #byefelicia
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TylerDurden

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Originally Posted by PDad
Tyler, you know Dewey will never see and/or own up to the 2 cases being different. The readers recognize your Benghazi question is about a personal interaction between the players and Dewey's IRS case is not.


Thanks - most people would. Dewey is just simply muddying the waters again and trying to deflect from his answer and what he insinuated about the families. He knows they are nowhere near similar, but it won't stop him.
Dewey

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Thanks - most people would.


You should have written, "most Conservatives would", imo.
keepinitreal

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Thanks - most people would.


You should have written "anyone with common sense would"

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TylerDurden

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Originally Posted by Dewey


You should have written, "most Conservatives would", imo.


Dewey - your partisan lines are showing. You are the one that always brings this up and the personal attacks that are non-existent. Try to look at things objectively. Not all factual instances need to be countered to make them seem less important.
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Originally Posted by bluedog

I've never cared for the way Dewey is treated on here by some of you......I see hate spewed his way far too often......It comes my way, too, but, never as bad as Dewey sees it.......




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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
Dewey You are the one that always brings this up and the personal attacks that are non-existent.


Are you calling bluedog a liar?  [smile]

Let me tell you what I think about personal attacks.  You may remember when I likened personal attacks to the cold cock game.  Young people walk up behind somebody walking down the street, clobber them, and then take off running.  They think it's hilarious. I find it troubling and I don't get it at all.  You should find it troubling.  Similarly grown adults being disrespectful to other grown adults in a website forum.  I find it troubling and I don't get it at all.  You should find it troubling.

In any event, members are free to carry on.  It's free speech.  However, I can't help but expose it as loud as I can whenever I see it because I know sometime in the next few days, a Republican is going to come on here and complain about a Democrat bashing a Republican, shouting one down at a speaking event, or something similar.  I find it important that readers have these examples fresh in their brain whenever they see anyone here on the Right complain about mistreatment of people on the Right.  It's hypocrisy and needs to be exposed.
keepinitreal

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" Similarly grown adults being disrespectful to other grown adults in a website forum."


I've said it before and I guess I have to repeat it for the freshman parents, I have no respect for dewy.  I have zero respect for a draft dodger like dewy and donald trump.  I have zero respect for white male liberals; Al Franken, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Matthews, dewy. If I have to repeat myself every year for the new freshman parents and the rest of the 50,000 that venture here to the miscellaneous forum by accident.

My tough question is, what has dewy done to earn respect?  kibitz? [look on and offer unwelcome advice] Answer for yourself, I've got my answer.  Take that to your next gathering with your friends.  

don't make it about me guys[bawl] " I find it important that readers have these examples fresh in their brain whenever they see anyone here on the Right complain about mistreatment of people on the Right.  It's hypocrisy and needs to be exposed."  puhleeze

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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This is the part where a couple of dewy's friends come and give testimonial to what a great guy he is and how he is a standup guy for defending his president and liberal viewpoints.  So come on guys, come pay your yearly homage because dewy is here today but gone tomorrow.
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TylerDurden

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I've never levied a personal attack at you.
keepinitreal

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Save it durden, he was talking about me and no one else.  He comes after me, through the back door, after all his bad days when he gets beat up on issues

bluedog has come under personal attacks at a far greater number by many more of you than anything dewy has put up with.  bluedog doesn't whimper

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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TylarDurden - Thank you for that.
PDad

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Admittedly, I missed most of Megan's show tonight but these are what I would consider tough questions.

1)  Do you believe Americans have a right to "preventive" health care?
They have the same right to buy it as anything else, not for it to be provided "free". Given the high cost of treating people in ERs, some forms of "preventative" care can be justified as a cost savings. 

2)  Do you believe K-12 education is Socialism and, secondly, should it remain tuition free?  If not, should it be a "for profit" system.
No and public K-12 education should remain tuition free. Non-public schools should play a role in the system if they provide quality education without an additional cost to tax payers (i.e. vouchers).

3)  Would you focus your efforts, via Conservative Supreme Court nominations or other avenues, to overturn Plyler v Doe, the 5-4 1982 SC decision giving undocumented the right to education?
I wouldn't make it a criteria for nominating justices.

4)  Do you believe a business should have a right to refuse service to anyone?  If not, do you believe a party rental business should have a right to refuse renting tables and chairs to a gay couple for use in a wedding ceremony?
I believe businesses have the right to refuse service as long as it doesn't violate the law.

5)  Do you believe in a mandate as it relates to purchasing health insurance?  If no, would you require medical services be provided to an individual who refused purchasing coverage and cannot afford necessary medical services?
No. "Necessary" is too vague. Government shouldn't mandate others provide care without reimbursing providers.

6)  Do you believe the right to bear arms means "the right to bear any and all arms"?
No. Does Bill Smith believe he has the right to bear biological/nuclear weapons and ICBMs?

7)  Do you believe water-boarding is an acceptable form of interrogation?
Yes, however it will be very difficult to find anyone that will do it after the CIA was hung out to dry.

8)  Do you support the filibuster rule in the US Senate?
Yes and no because it serves some purposes.

9)  Do you believe we should raise taxes during a time at war in order to pay for the cost of such war?
No. 

10)  Do you believe a background check has ever prevented a mass murder?
I have no basis for believing it or disputing it. However, I believe it is just a matter of time before someone commits one with a weapon purchased legally without a BG check.

11)  Do you believe a child under 18, brought here years ago by his parents when he was very young, has broken the law?
Yes. I doubt they are criminally liable for it while dependent upon their parents, however it doesn't give them legal status.

12)  Do you believe an individual born outside of US territory should be eligible to be POTUS?
It depends on the citizenship status of their parents.

13)  Do you believe in limited UE benefits for a person who has lost their job?
Yes.

14)  Would you phase out Social Security if there was a way to do so?
"If there was a way" is too vague. Yes if there was a better way to do it.

15)  If an individual buys an asset, (art, property, stocks, etc.),  for $100,000 and sells it for $1 million, do you believe he/she should have a tax obligation?  If yes, if this same person dies and his/her heirs sell this asset for $1 million, should they have a tax obligation?

I believe they should have a tax obligation on any gain after adjusting for inflation. 

I believe the only valid justification for estate taxes is to collect untaxed gains after adjusting for inflation. The heirs would then be entitled to the stepped-up cost-basis whenever they sell it.

The key is adjusting for inflation when determining taxable gains - it is absurd the government taxes "gains" that are the result of inflation.
keepinitreal

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6)  Do you believe the right to bear arms means "the right to bear any and all arms"?
No. Does Bill Smith believe he has the right to bear biological/nuclear weapons and ICBMs?


Probably not but he says different

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Dewey

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PDad - Thanks.  Hadn't visited here before I responded in other thread.  Excellent responses.  I often wonder why others are so adamant about not sharing their opinions.  I suppose it's because a Democrat is asking.  In any case, these questions were aimed at somebody who was a Presidential candidate.  In #4, the followup would be, since you'll soon be President, would you sign a law, or support an amendment, whatever we need, that says businesses will have a right to refuse service to anyone.  A law like three others in here say they favor, if I understand them correctly.
TylerDurden

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Seriously Dewey, 2010 called and they want you to give up the democratic pitty party.

I would ignore anyone that asked me that many questions...it's a little over the top. I'm guessing that's why a lot of people ignored you. I asked you to pick out your favorites and haven't seen them.
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PDad - Thanks.  Hadn't visited here before I responded in other thread.  Excellent responses.  I often wonder why others are so adamant about not sharing their opinions.  I suppose it's because a Democrat is asking.  In any case, these questions were aimed at somebody who was a Presidential candidate.  In #4, the followup would be, since you'll soon be President, would you sign a law, or support an amendment, whatever we need, that says businesses will have a right to refuse service to anyone.  A law like three others in here say they favor, if I understand them correctly.


Many of us have responded.  Are you going to keep playing this card until everyone responds?

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keepinitreal

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come on pabar, no matter the question, no matter the answer, no matter the followup, it never stops.  It's dewy's trademarked flowchart.  One answer today, is the time stamped answer for all of us. C'mon man
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Pdad.


Now work on these



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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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I clearly said "others" not "all the others".  I'll use "some" next time.  This time two people were willing to share their opinions.  I thank them both.
keepinitreal

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Then these
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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I'm sure Dewey would deny Obama had and or has in possession a kill list which includes Americans on it.
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Pdad.

Now work on these

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Then these

No thanks. I answered Dewey's questions and he didn't respond in kind to me. It appears my first questions were too tough for him (e.g. difficult, truth exposing), so he substituted other questions for them instead.
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