Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 3 of 7      Prev   1   2   3   4   5   6   Next   »
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 8,097
Reply with quote  #61 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spazsdad
See, you still don't get it. Nobody here is defending the GOP establishment and I would think you know they do not equal conservatism just like Trump does not. But carry on

Explain it to me.  Nobody new can come to the party?  We must fully criminalize abortion, in such a way, you could never get elected?   Me stating that does not work for me, makes me not true?



__________________
I'm more getting a sense that willie wynn is dewey is a F'n loser. 
TheNarrator

Registered:
Posts: 4,431
Reply with quote  #62 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal
In a nutshell Durden; That's pretty much why the Republicans can't get anything accomplished.  The libtards stick together pretty much while the 'conservatives' backbite and back stab each other.


Republicans are, and have been, great at getting elected, on a historic level for the past eight years. Unfortunately, they don't know what to do when they get there.  We will see if Ryan is any different than the previous regime.  Too early to tell and the deal with Obama right after his election was unfortunately a necessary evil.  I understand why he did it, wanted to get it behind him.

It will be interesting to see the dynamic between Trump and Ryan moving forward.  I am sure someone has explained to Trump the importance of Ryan for his legislative agenda, hence the kind words.  What's going to happen the first time he goes against Trump or pushes legislation Trump is not in favor of.  Hopefully Pence can play peacemaker.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #63 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec


I generally agree.

However, as we know, any criticism of trump evokes something deep inside trumpies.  It's unnatural.

As for Tomi and the rest of them - whatever.  I've got 800 channels.

Sorry for having the nerve to say I'm not a fan, and throw your whole thread off track.


dude you know me better than that.  You are a big part of this thread, since post #3.  You are always welcome on any thread of mine

 If I don't like a direction of a thread, I'll say so or just delete it like I did when bluedog and pabar took my Pearl Harbor/D-day thread off the rails with their bickering.  Constructive [positive or negative] , substantial, meaningful conversation is one thing.  Bickering between teammates gets you a spot on the bench

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
EarlyGrayce

Registered:
Posts: 5,008
Reply with quote  #64 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal


 Bickering between teammates gets you a spot on the bench


hehe words of wisdom.

__________________
"Dewy cites anomalies because he is an anomaly, he's an outlier in a sea of testosterone." 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #65 
Merry Christmas Early.

 Ready for stops 3 and 4 on Santa's sleigh.

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
EarlyGrayce

Registered:
Posts: 5,008
Reply with quote  #66 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal
Merry Christmas Early.

 Ready for stops 3 and 4 on Santa's sleigh.


Best wishes to you and your family KIR.

__________________
"Dewy cites anomalies because he is an anomaly, he's an outlier in a sea of testosterone." 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #67 

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #68 

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
mikec

Registered:
Posts: 8,380
Reply with quote  #69 

This Tomi Lahren Experiment Was a Real Bad Idea

By Peter Heck  |  March 18, 2017, 11:41am  |  @peterheck

There’s a reason why it usually doesn’t end well when a kid goes straight from a life of party and privilege to the bright lights of a professional sports career. They have no clue how to handle the responsibility of fame and fortune. Just look at the fall of Johnny Manziel.

There’s a reason why it usually doesn’t end well when someone mired in unemployed poverty wins the lottery and lands in the lap of luxury. They are oblivious about how to maneuver the challenges of money and power. Just look at the depressing case of David Lee Edwards.

And there’s a reason why it usually doesn’t end well when someone who lacks any meaningful or serious understanding of political philosophy and ideology is thrust in front of a camera and promoted as a conservative spokesman. They are pitifully unprepared to exercise the disciplines of reason and discernment. Just look at the sorry spectacle of Tomi Lahren.

In a culture that bizarrely worships youth and beauty, it is unsurprising that Lahren’s rise to fame has been meteoric. And make no mistake, Tomi has certainly demonstrated a talent for increasing her notoriety with provocative commentaries timed to coincide with significant national controversies. Her prolific use of social media has propelled her to over 664,000 followers on Twitter, and earned her invitations onto numerous television news and commentary programs.

If gaining popularity and getting your face on TV were the primary objectives of conservatism, she would be a rock star. But since the movement has always been about the supremacy of our ideas, it’s what she says on TV that matters most. And that’s the great danger of this emerging movement of pop culture “conservatism” driven by followers and web traffic, rather than principles. It’s only a matter of time before it casually defecates in the right’s dinner plate with the whole country watching.

Friday on the obnoxious ABC gabfest “The View,” Tomi Lahren did just that:

“I’m pro choice, and here’s why. I am a constitutional, you know, someone that loves the Constitution. I’m someone that’s for limited government. So I can’t sit here and be a hypocrite and say I’m for limited government but I think the government should decide what women do with their bodies. I can sit here and say that, as a Republican and I can say, you know what, I’m for limited government, so stay out of my guns, and you can stay out of my body as well.”

This is so mindlessly incoherent that Glenn Beck should be humiliated he has given this poser such a platform of prominence. Not just because he’s promoted someone who finds it morally acceptable to kill children for convenience (though that’s plenty good enough), but because she demonstrates such a childish misunderstanding of natural law and constitutional theory.

For someone who just three months ago fumed how abortion was murder, Lahren has not just experienced second thoughts. She has now apparently arrived at the startling conclusion that limited government means not stopping someone from killing someone else. If Lahren is so worried about being a hypocrite, perhaps she should use one of her popular “Final Thoughts” segments to explain why she wants government to tell other people they can’t kill her, but demands that same government not tell her she can’t kill her baby.

This isn’t reason. It’s stupidity on steroids.

The great conservatives have always understood that the intrinsic worth of the individual was the foundation point of all we believe and espouse. Without the right to life, there is no liberty, and there is no happiness to pursue. So here’s a suggestion for all parties involved:

  • Tomi Lahren: take some time away from the camera, read and learn what conservatism is, and decide if that’s what you are or what you want to be.
  • Glenn Beck: you spent an election cycle critical of anyone on the right that pretended Trump’s incoherent populism was actually conservatism; will you permit The Blaze to continue pretending Tomi’s incoherent populism is?
  • Conservatives: let’s stop mimicking the leftist cult of personality approach that embraces whatever is considered trendy, young, and envelope-pushing; instead let’s again be known for the power of our ideas rather than 2-minute YouTube power rants by immature minds.

I refuse to believe that Tomi Lahren is the future of conservatism in America, because if she is, conservatism has no future here.

keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #70 
She definitely stepped in it but she proved a point that dewy has been trying to make for years.  There are many supporters of baby murder that won't or don't come out of the closet.  uwa says that's the big reason true conservatives that run their campaign as a pro-life campaign are doomed
__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
EarlyGrayce

Registered:
Posts: 5,008
Reply with quote  #71 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal
She definitely stepped in it but she proved a point that dewy has been trying to make for years.  There are many supporters of baby murder that won't or don't come out of the closet.  uwa says that's the big reason true conservatives that run their campaign as a pro-life campaign are doomed


Agreed. Peter Heck's pro-life crusade is well known. This Tomi piece is a pro-life piece pretending to be a "state-of-conservatism" piece. 

__________________
"Dewy cites anomalies because he is an anomaly, he's an outlier in a sea of testosterone." 
TheNarrator

Registered:
Posts: 4,431
Reply with quote  #72 
Then Viagra crowd will still "watch" her.

What's worse is this is what is being passed as conservatism now.

But at least she's "constitutional".

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 8,097
Reply with quote  #73 
Quote:
Originally Posted by keepinitreal
She definitely stepped in it but she proved a point that dewy has been trying to make for years.  There are many supporters of baby murder that won't or don't come out of the closet.  uwa says that's the big reason true conservatives that run their campaign as a pro-life campaign are doomed

Let me be perfectly clear with you guys.  The abortion/pro life battle is being lost in the grade schools and in the high schools.  

I 100% agree that abortion is murder.  I just know that you are not going to be successful going to a group of Millennials and getting them to listen to that line of thinking.  They just do not hear it.  They have been indoctrinated for 18 years that choice is about women's rights.    

The reality is that abortion/life directly on the ballot, as an issue or as a candidate can only win in a few true red states.  You get into the purple states abortion/life gets really tough from a voting ballot perspective.  

You get to the coasts, the CA, NY, OR, WA, VI, or the big cities, Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit.  Choice dominates the ballot box.

The reality of the Gallup poll has been that 80% of Americans favor some forms of choice.  80% also favor limits on choice.  Dewey knows this.  That is why is always trying to turn the debate to the zero day options, like the abortion pill.  In most votes limits on zero day would lose 20-80.  

If you however talk about limiting abortion ranges.  Let's say to 22 weeks. Today I suspect you would win that in the ballot box 80-20.  That is something you could get instituted nationwide, not just deep red states.  That would save a lot of lives.  Unfortunately the left's desire to push the right to declare zero as the number, will keep that from happening.  That is just a unfortunate reality.  

The right seems unable to take easy ground on the political battle field.  Ground that would be given to them, they don't take.  So they are always left in an extreme corner defending a poor position or in effect as it is currently in the US, no position at all.

I think also the murder vs non-murder polarizes this debate which directly leads to people not seeking reasonable alternatives.   There are plenty of adoptive families looking to and give a baby a great life.  The left for some reason wanted to kill off our adoption culture.  

They use fear mongering that the right/prochoice want to leave no choices.  That pregnancy must, that the only result, is a life defining change.  

I listened to what she said on the view and she will find herself not that out of sync with a lot of people in the republican party. 

__________________
I'm more getting a sense that willie wynn is dewey is a F'n loser. 
EarlyGrayce

Registered:
Posts: 5,008
Reply with quote  #74 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNarrator
Then Viagra crowd will still "watch" her. What's worse is this is what is being passed as conservatism now. But at least she's "constitutional".


Agreed. A sex kitten that says what some people want to hear. That's about all she brings to the table. I'm conflicted on who I would rather think of as the face of the gop: McCain or tomi? I'll go with CruzMissile.

__________________
"Dewy cites anomalies because he is an anomaly, he's an outlier in a sea of testosterone." 
PDad

Registered:
Posts: 4,062
Reply with quote  #75 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uwApoligist
If you however talk about limiting abortion ranges.  Let's say to 22 weeks. Today I suspect you would win that in the ballot box 80-20.  That is something you could get instituted nationwide, not just deep red states.  That would save a lot of lives.
 
Limits geared towards the viability of the fetus are most popular because it's clearly protecting a life. Unfortunately, the current overly-broad legal standard for "health" of the mother is a huge loophole that undermines any limit. It needs more definition to balance the rights of the baby with the mother.

Quote:
Unfortunately the left's desire to push the right to declare zero as the number, will keep that from happening.  That is just a unfortunate reality.   

The right seems unable to take easy ground on the political battle field.  Ground that would be given to them, they don't take.  So they are always left in an extreme corner defending a poor position or in effect as it is currently in the US, no position at all.

These 2 points are linked together. Both sides try to push the debate to an unpopular position as the right uses partial-birth abortion. We got where we are from a series of incremental steps and the right should pursue all steps to incrementally reverse it instead of holding out for reversing everything at once.
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #76 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uwApoligist


I listened to what she said on the view and she will find herself not that out of sync with a lot of people in the republican party. 


That was my point, I'm agreeing with you while mike is calling her out for making dewy's case.  What's remarkable to me is dewy finally said something I agreed with.  I'm glad he's not a regular poster on this thread, or any thread of mine, I hope he keeps it that way

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
mikec

Registered:
Posts: 8,380
Reply with quote  #77 
Didn't figure that would turn into an abortion discussion, but I guess that was the topic.  Really, I figured I'd tweak KIR a little.

You all know I think she's an airhead loudmouth who doesn't know crap about the Constitution, but since she has blonde hair, and spots the gospel according to trump, she is turning all of that into a nice payday.

I would like to see her mature a little in her commentaries.  She always seems so angry - maybe that's what sells.

edit: I do agree with uw that millennial women, even if the are ultra conservative on every other issue, don't want to do anything about abortion.  They'll probably have to age a bit before they see it as an issue.
pabar61

Registered:
Posts: 11,225
Reply with quote  #78 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec
Didn't figure that would turn into an abortion discussion, but I guess that was the topic.  Really, I figured I'd tweak KIR a little.

You all know I think she's an airhead loudmouth who doesn't know crap about the Constitution, but since she has blonde hair, and spots the gospel according to trump, she is turning all of that into a nice payday.

I would like to see her mature a little in her commentaries.  She always seems so angry - maybe that's what sells.

edit: I do agree with uw that millennial women, even if the are ultra conservative on every other issue, don't want to do anything about abortion.  They'll probably have to age a bit before they see it as an issue.


In a way, she's not very different from Hannity or O'Reilly.  I don't think either one of them are particularly intelligent or insightful but they both found a "schtick" - something they could market and sell to the masses.  With O'Reilly it's "no spin" and being blunt, with Hannity, it's Martina McBride and talking over his opponents, with Lauren, it's sex.  All of it sells and that's their main goal.
PDad

Registered:
Posts: 4,062
Reply with quote  #79 
Schtick = ratings. It goes back to people like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh. People have to discern between steak and sizzle.
mikec

Registered:
Posts: 8,380
Reply with quote  #80 
In their minds, O'Reilly and Hannity are as sexy as Tomi.


Quote:
Originally Posted by pabar61


In a way, she's not very different from Hannity or O'Reilly.  I don't think either one of them are particularly intelligent or insightful but they both found a "schtick" - something they could market and sell to the masses.  With O'Reilly it's "no spin" and being blunt, with Hannity, it's Martina McBride and talking over his opponents, with Lauren, it's sex.  All of it sells and that's their main goal.
pabar61

Registered:
Posts: 11,225
Reply with quote  #81 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PDad
Schtick = ratings. It goes back to people like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh. People have to discern between steak and sizzle.


I agree except that I think Rush and Howard were both pioneers and Hannity and O'Reilly are followers.  I also think Rush and Howard are far more intelligent.
PDad

Registered:
Posts: 4,062
Reply with quote  #82 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pabar61
I agree except that I think Rush and Howard were both pioneers and Hannity and O'Reilly are followers.  I also think Rush and Howard are far more intelligent.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I expect other shock jocks were the real pioneers of the schtick. Rush and Howard were among the early ones (e.g. Imus) to really capitalize on their schtick by syndicating to a wider audience. Their success led to increased demand for that type of programming and many tried to satisfy it, however few were very successful. 

I don't listen to talk radio and rarely watch them because their opinions are very predictable and their schtick has gotten old. About the only times I see them are when a guest or a speech I want to see is in their time slot.
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #83 
Just saw Tomi on Watters' World, she was on half of the show. She's doing fine
The episode was super

__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #84 
Tomi about to get paid.  She was only making 80K a year
__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 8,097
Reply with quote  #85 
Yep, Beck was a decent start.  The Blaze was a small operation to begin with, then Beck with his rabid mad humping anti trumpism nearly destroyed what he had.  Remember when Beck rubbed his face in cheetos then went to hollywood to meet with communists on how to stop trump?

Tomi and a few others kept Blaze half in the game.  

Fox will definitely take her on.  She would fit in numerous other outlets.  For instance lifezette, maybe take that over.  Fox needs younger talent, and Tomi will be way better than Megan (i just 5hit the bed) Kelly. 

Anyone interested millennials, that 20-35 market, should grab her immediately.  She will bring traffic.  Besides a few crotchety old men here, and you guys have already stated you only watch the goofy stuff you watch, and you won't be watching anything else, she will be a big draw.

__________________
I'm more getting a sense that willie wynn is dewey is a F'n loser. 
pabar61

Registered:
Posts: 11,225
Reply with quote  #86 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uwApoligist
Yep, Beck was a decent start.  The Blaze was a small operation to begin with, then Beck with his rabid mad humping anti trumpism nearly destroyed what he had.  Remember when Beck rubbed his face in cheetos then went to hollywood to meet with communists on how to stop trump?

Tomi and a few others kept Blaze half in the game.  

Fox will definitely take her on.  She would fit in numerous other outlets.  For instance lifezette, maybe take that over.  Fox needs younger talent, and Tomi will be way better than Megan (i just 5hit the bed) Kelly. 

Anyone interested millennials, that 20-35 market, should grab her immediately.  She will bring traffic.  Besides a few crotchety old men here, and you guys have already stated you only watch the goofy stuff you watch, and you won't be watching anything else, she will be a big draw.


I'm definitely not the demographic that matters but I prefer someone truly intellectual.  Tomi doesn't fit the bill.  She's T&A and there are plenty of other places to get your fill of that.
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 8,097
Reply with quote  #87 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pabar61


I'm definitely not the demographic that matters but I prefer someone truly intellectual.  Tomi doesn't fit the bill.  She's T&A and there are plenty of other places to get your fill of that.

Name one under age 35 that fits your intellectual fill?

__________________
I'm more getting a sense that willie wynn is dewey is a F'n loser. 
pabar61

Registered:
Posts: 11,225
Reply with quote  #88 
Guy Benson.
keepinitreal

Registered:
Posts: 24,294
Reply with quote  #89 
I never saw Tomi as T&A. I saw her as a firecracker and still is. Now she will get paid
__________________
"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
EarlyGrayce

Registered:
Posts: 5,008
Reply with quote  #90 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pabar61
Guy Benson.


I'd tap that.

__________________
"Dewy cites anomalies because he is an anomaly, he's an outlier in a sea of testosterone." 
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.