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34sDad

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34sdad, you oversimplified everything. Yes there were real restraining orders, there was bullying. It's been 3 years and how many kids came and went and how many assistant coaches rolled out? You are in the JW court and that's fine, but the softball program is a mess.


I'm not oversimplifying it.  I'm wondering what she's done specifically that's bullying.  This thread is 30+ pages about bullying and rumors and zero facts.  I believe a restraining order was filed.  Why was it filed, was one issued, was it broken and were the police called? 

I've seen references to a dozen kids leaving, not sure actual total.  DD's school has had roughly a dozen leave in the same period.  That's totally normal for a school undergoing head coaching changes. 

I'm not in JW's court.  These are the things a reporter needs to know.  Vague complaints won't get anyone to act on it.  The Auburn story took off because there were grisly details.  So far the Maryland softball story has nothing other rumors than a coach with a lousy record.  The program is obviously a mess.  The facts about why its a mess are how to get JW fired.  
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There was protective orders filed against 2 players on this team. Its public record. They bullied a volleyball player so much that she transferred to another school and the volleyball coach probably left to go to Indiana because the athletic department didn't do anything to stop this stuff even though he talked to them numerous times about this stuff. Its easy to find this information!
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Washington Post story drops a bomb on UMD tomorrow. Loh is toast. 
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There are a myriad of “facts” of bullying and violations, too many to list here.

Some have already been listed in this thread. Some in previous threads....

Asking one of her favorite players to call a meeting of the team, minus two of the girls, in order to instruct the rest of the team to “ignore”those two girls in hopes they would quit the team.

Withholding food from the team when they lost.

Demanding excessive training and running of the team, beyond allowed hours, to the point the trainer refused to work with the team any longer.

Having the athletic director confront the girls, with the coaches present, asking “who has a problem with these coaches“, in order to intimidate.

How about making the girls run excessively for punishment, and when one of the girls said she really needed to go to the bathroom, she was having stomach issues, telling the girl too bad keep running, to the point that the girl actually defecated in her pants. And was still told to keep running.

Those are just a few of the highlights. And those are not rumors. Those are actual things that my daughter experienced on the team. And yes, those were reported to administration. And yes, those were reported to the reporter with the Diamondback.

Why in the hell a losing coach, even in softball, would’ve been allowed to keep up that kind of crap, together with the MULTIPLE other complaints against her, is beyond me… But trust me it wasn’t about playing time, it wasn’t about working too hard, it wasn’t about any of that. It was about an abusive coach and teaching young ladies how to stand up for their own dignity and health, both mental and physical.

So to act like these or any disgruntled parents or players is foolishness and ignorance.
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Wow, these parents, players and their family members must’ve had some strong will power. I’m shocked that somebody didn’t try to put hands on this coach.

I will never understand how a coach with such a horrible win-loss record is allowed to get away with all of this mess. That Diamondback reporter that refused to put the story out needs to be called out!
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There are a myriad of “facts” of bullying and violations, too many to list here.

Some have already been listed in this thread. Some in previous threads....

Asking one of her favorite players to call a meeting of the team, minus two of the girls, in order to instruct the rest of the team to “ignore”those two girls in hopes they would quit the team.

Withholding food from the team when they lost.

Demanding excessive training and running of the team, beyond allowed hours, to the point the trainer refused to work with the team any longer.

Having the athletic director confront the girls, with the coaches present, asking “who has a problem with these coaches“, in order to intimidate.

How about making the girls run excessively for punishment, and when one of the girls said she really needed to go to the bathroom, she was having stomach issues, telling the girl too bad keep running, to the point that the girl actually defecated in her pants. And was still told to keep running.

Those are just a few of the highlights. And those are not rumors. Those are actual things that my daughter experienced on the team. And yes, those were reported to administration. And yes, those were reported to the reporter with the Diamondback.

Why in the hell a losing coach, even in softball, would’ve been allowed to keep up that kind of crap, together with the MULTIPLE other complaints against her, is beyond me… But trust me it wasn’t about playing time, it wasn’t about working too hard, it wasn’t about any of that. It was about an abusive coach and teaching young ladies how to stand up for their own dignity and health, both mental and physical.

So to act like these or any disgruntled parents or players is foolishness and ignorance.


You laid out some good facts, but followed them with your opinion.  That's why it comes off as disgruntled parents.  That's why nothing has been done about JW, that's why the Diamondback ignored it and that's why ESPN will ignore it.  Chances are her record will get her fired, but you might save the next team down the line some headaches if you present the story without the personal commentary.  I really do wish you luck and I'm sorry for what your daughter had to go through.  
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So a parent is not supposed to give her opinion about what her daughter and her teammates went through? You sound so dumb right now 34sdad, especially with having the word “Dad” in your username. How would you feel if 34 was treated like this?

It sounds like you are a Wright backer and nothing that we will say will change your mind!
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You laid out some good facts, but followed them with your opinion.  That's why it comes off as disgruntled parents.  That's why nothing has been done about JW, that's why the Diamondback ignored it and that's why ESPN will ignore it.  Chances are her record will get her fired, but you might save the next team down the line some headaches if you present the story without the personal commentary.  I really do wish you luck and I'm sorry for what your daughter had to go through.  

My daughter is great! Learned some tough life lessons early. She’s a hard worker. And she will do fine in life.

However, offering a personal opinion on a message board is very different from offering facts to a university admistration or to a reporter. Again, just because you don’t know all the facts doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
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So a parent is not supposed to give her opinion about what her daughter and her teammates went through? You sound so dumb right now 34sdad, especially with having the word “Dad” in your username. How would you feel if 34 was treated like this?

It sounds like you are a Wright backer and nothing that we will say will change your mind!


I’d be pissed and of course she’s entitled to her opinion. I get it that you all need to vent to each other. All I’m saying is if you want a story run or if you want to gain public support occasionally opinion needs to be separated from the facts. If u could care less and think all of us are a bunch of trolls, carry on and continue providing entertainment for the masses. This thread is like a car wreck or reality show you can’t stop from watching.

I’m not a JW backer. I posted a while back my only connection to her was a TB coach I respect spoke highly of her. This thread caught my eye because I live in B1G country and JW recruited my daughter while she was still at Idaho State. Obviously we dodged a bullet.

I’m seldom accused of being smart and my writing sucks so maybe it does come off as dumb. I’d hope the overall message and intent would still get through. I’m not trying to be an ass and not everybody here is against you.

34sDad

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My daughter is great! Learned some tough life lessons early. She’s a hard worker. And she will do fine in life.

However, offering a personal opinion on a message board is very different from offering facts to a university admistration or to a reporter. Again, just because you don’t know all the facts doesn’t mean they don’t exist.


I agree and I apologize for any offense.
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I agree and I apologize for any offense.


I know none was intended.
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Yep
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I think they are about to clean house at Maryland. The Board of Regents is holding a huge close door meeting today. Plus you have Jordan McNair parents slamming the university daily on national TV and that new Washington post article that came out today that talks about Loh nixing a plan last year for a better student health care system that probably would've saved McNairs life. I think Wallace Loh, Damon Evans and DJ Durkin will all be gone very soon!
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I am going to post again that 34s dad is way off base and we can keep playing this game ad nauseum. If you are going to delete posts, then put a placeholder in there saying why. There is so much venom on other forums here, not sure why calling out 34s dad for not understanding the situation TWICE and then apologizing and doing it again. I am not a disgruntled parent, I am a former player with no kids on the team. It is hurtful to those of us with valid complaints against the programs to be written off as if it happens everywhere and we are disgruntled parents. Could someone please quote my post in yours and see if it gets deleted, too?


Just checking something for TerpAlum!
34sDad

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I am going to post again that 34s dad is way off base and we can keep playing this game ad nauseum. If you are going to delete posts, then put a placeholder in there saying why. There is so much venom on other forums here, not sure why calling out 34s dad for not understanding the situation TWICE and then apologizing and doing it again. I am not a disgruntled parent, I am a former player with no kids on the team. It is hurtful to those of us with valid complaints against the programs to be written off as if it happens everywhere and we are disgruntled parents. Could someone please quote my post in yours and see if it gets deleted, too?


I didn't delete any posts.  

I was trying to point how they're being talked about on here sound like the same things going on everywhere.  I apologize if what I said was hurtful.  That wasn't my intent.  I do understand the complaints are valid.  I'll try to be more careful how I phrase things because it's clearly not coming across how I want it to.  
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I've been trying to convince them these things go on at a lot of places, but there are some personal feelings involved.

Good luck
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34sdad, the statement "these things go on everywhere" is utter nonsense. There are things here and there that are similar but the totality of it there is rare. I do know of at least 3 or 4 places where I have heard of similar things happening. But at Maryland the accumulation of all of these things makes it really over the top.  You keep saying that your daughter's school got rid of 12 girls in 3 years. Sure there are those big programs that have 25 plus girls and they are going to weed themselves out. But at MD the squad is smaller and the numbers and types of kids pushed out were relatively high. What makes it more egregious at Maryland were the number who kept their scholarship money and did not leave to go to another school. They were bullied into submission. Maryland had two senior pitchers the previous year that were both treated like crap, big time. Ask there parents. JW hated them and let them know it. It was psychotic. No, this is not some exaggeration. It is so far out that yes, it's hard to believe.
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I didn't delete any posts.  

I was trying to point how they're being talked about on here sound like the same things going on everywhere.  I apologize if what I said was hurtful.  That wasn't my intent.  I do understand the complaints are valid.  I'll try to be more careful how I phrase things because it's clearly not coming across how I want it to.  


I actually see 34's point and read all his post to say that yes he agrees that something needs to be done. When he said this goes on at other schools I believe he meant in varying degrees and wasn't trying to diminish how serious it is at Maryland. And I agree that you need to separate fact from emotion if you are going to get any serious journalist to listen to you. The facts alone should get her fired once they all come out and we are hoping that happens soon, before anyone else gets hurt!
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The new assistant coach played for Wright at ISU from 2012-15. So it looks like she was one of her favorite players during her time there. You know what type of players are her favorite by the way!
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The new assistant coach played for Wright at ISU from 2012-15. So it looks like she was one of her favorite players during her time there. You know what type of players are her favorite by the way!

BTW ... what type of players are her favorites?

Why don't you clue us all?
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It is a little interesting that the new assistant not only played for Wright, but per her bio, would have also been an strength coach at Idaho St, for softball, in 2016 when accusations of bullying were made by several players. Curious.
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Let's make it clear that the dback journalist, a student BTW, took everything seriously and worked on the article for months. It was slated to come out just about up to about a few days before it was pulled. Others can comment on whether the Athletic department threatened the paper or whether it was too much he said, she said, she said. It could be some current players were worried about retaliation.

The incidents were not just dismissed out of hand. I do not expect a national outlet to swoop in on a softball story like this. However, if football players were (and they have been) engaged in the same behavior, the coach would have been held responsible for disciplining them. He would have been held to account, particularly if he was the "role model" for the bullying and outbursts.

Finally, what I know first hand was enough IMO to provide a continuation with the football story. Yes, the football death is far more serious and nothing in softball matches that, but student athletes I personally know ended up in the medical center from abusive running, conditioning, weight training, weight loss/fitness program, and overuse on the softball field. Others are permanently scarred by the emotional and verbal abuse IMO.

The training, conditioning and weight loss protocols came from the football trainers. That point needs to be made. Think about that story where the football player was not allowed to practice due to not meeting fitness standards, and then forced to eat candy bars while watching others practice. Similar crap from Watten and JW, albeit in a different manner, often related to losing games or coming in from summer not meeting her arbitrary definition of "fit." Meanwhile, you could see under Watten and JW that assistants were not the fittest but damn if a player was a few pounds overweight or got out of breath running sprints. They were going to be abused.

Fitness should be a positive goal and not a punishment or a boot camp. It should not be used to haze and weed out players. That is why we have issues with obesity and lack of fitness in our society.

One of JW’s favorite tactics: she would attend early morning conditioning so that she could observe and criticize fitness. The team would frequently have excessive running to do because they “were horrible and out of shape”. If they showed any tiredness or fatigue, this was more evidence that they were out of shape and needed to run even more. Which she made them do. If they did not show an appropriate amount of tiredness or fatigue, they were not working hard enough and needed to keep running until the did in fact show fatigue. And the cycle began again.
One trainer refused to work with her any longer due to her excessive running and training demands. Injuries were excessive. He reported it to administration. This was over two years ago and nothing was changed. They were just given a new trainer who would work with Wright.
This was a routine and normal event. Vomiting was routine, not from heat exhaustion but from prolonged exertion. It was during one such run that one player defecated herself.
Watten had a similar passion for running. Running excessive bleachers in the basketball stadium, to the point of tears, was a favorite of hers. One season, a player did stop running and walk off the field. She was a high performer and favorite, so she had no retaliation.
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I have no idea about what is true here and what isn't.  But if this is all true, why then do the players not log all of this and go to the administration en masse?  And if the administration ignores them, then go to the media.  The student paper might not do anything, but there is no way the Baltimore Sun or another daily in the area is going to ignore an entire team lodging these complaints at the state flagship college.  Even if two or three players refuse, if the overwhelming majority of the team band together, they won't be ignored by at least the media.
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They have pblc20. Read all the previous messages on this thread. They went to the AD, administration, diamondback reporter, etc, etc. People would just brush off all of their complaints and ignore them.

Look at the way that the athletic department, AD and the local media tried to sweep all of the Jordan McNair stuff away. The only reason things changed in that situation is because ESPN got involved and made it national. If ESPN didn’t get involved, Court, Robinson and Durkin would still be at Maryland right now doing the same ol mess while getting ready for the upcoming Texas game. They treated everybody like this. They ignored the football and softball complaints and all of the abuse and bullying. So save all of the nobody cares about softball BS, they treated their big money sport (football) and their players the same ol way!
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I have no idea about what is true here and what isn't.  But if this is all true, why then do the players not log all of this and go to the administration en masse?  And if the administration ignores them, then go to the media.  The student paper might not do anything, but there is no way the Baltimore Sun or another daily in the area is going to ignore an entire team lodging these complaints at the state flagship college.  Even if two or three players refuse, if the overwhelming majority of the team band together, they won't be ignored by at least the media.

In theory, correct.
In the real world, many girls on that team were financially dependant on scholarships. No money, no college. At all. A few others were scared of public ridicule. At least one had a parent that said she had already transferred once, she was going to tough it out this time.
I personally heard and saw many girls crying and miserable and wanting to quit. When the entire team was hauled in front of the coaches and AD, these same girls clammed up. They were scared.
I, as a parent, did not know the real extent of it all until after my kid was no longer active in the team. Once I knew, I was horrified. And yes, administration was informed. When I asked my kid why she didn’t say anything to me, she said she was embarrassed and didn’t want to look like a failure.
When you are 20 and your life is that team and your identity is an athlete on that team and your support system is that team and you are told your are unworthy and suck and a failure, it’s hard to step outside and say no. It’s hard to tell an outsider, even your parent, the team secrets. Especially when you know you will receive the same responses that have happened here on this board: it goes on everywhere, players are complainers, they are weak, this is life, they are disgruntled, etc.
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The point being missed is that several of the girls tried! They went with logbooks and proof of the excessive hours and conditioning. There were meetings held with the AD and Kristen Brown. All they were given was lip service and in turn all of the information was handed over to JW. What do you think happened after that? What ensued was a verbal berating which included “who do you think they are going to believe, a bunch of losers or me?” and punishment runs. I think the answer was pretty clear. The NCAA sends “anonymous” hour logs to student athletes. These are not supposed to be seen by the coach and she should not be delegating who fills out the logs. In every case, certain players were handpicked to fill out these official questionairs and they we sent first to JW BEFORE she would forward them on to compliance. There were so many girls pushed past the physical limitations put forth by surgeons following a sport related surgery, all because JW said the girls were trying to get out of it or stated that they were lazy. If only UMD had followed the recommended NCAA guidelines and partnered with the University of Maryland School
Of Medicine, further injuries could have been avoided and someone would have been held accountable.
I think that the parents and players who have either spoken up anonymously or on the record, realize that no one really cares about softball. The football story is a tragedy and could have been avoided. The softball program totally and completely mirrors the stories of the hostile and abusive environment that everyone is so up in arms over with regards to football. The point is, every single student athlete deserves to be protected and respected. For those of you who drone on that “this happens everywhere and UMD is nothing special!” Shame on you for accepting such treatment as okay or the norm. I would challenge any of the naysayers to sit back and do nothing if this were happening to your kid!
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In theory, correct.
In the real world, many girls on that team were financially dependant on scholarships. No money, no college. At all. A few others were scared of public ridicule. At least one had a parent that said she had already transferred once, she was going to tough it out this time.
I personally heard and saw many girls crying and miserable and wanting to quit. When the entire team was hauled in front of the coaches and AD, these same girls clammed up. They were scared.
I, as a parent, did not know the real extent of it all until after my kid was no longer active in the team. Once I knew, I was horrified. And yes, administration was informed. When I asked my kid why she didn’t say anything to me, she said she was embarrassed and didn’t want to look like a failure.
When you are 20 and your life is that team and your identity is an athlete on that team and your support system is that team and you are told your are unworthy and suck and a failure, it’s hard to step outside and say no. It’s hard to tell an outsider, even your parent, the team secrets. Especially when you know you will receive the same responses that have happened here on this board: it goes on everywhere, players are complainers, they are weak, this is life, they are disgruntled, etc.


Look, I'm not going to disparage anyone's kid or anyone as a parent. But this is getting ridiculous. First of all, many of the girls, if not all, who left the program and stayed at the University of Maryland stayed on scholarship. Throw that out the window. If the girls clammed up when they went to the AD, then who's fault is that? Stand up for yourself if you are being 'bullied' or whatever you want to call it. This is D1 sports. If you can't handle your coach criticizing your fitness level, then go play D3 or club sports or tiddly winks. If you can't handle running up and down the stairs at the basketball ARENA (yes, that is what people call basketball facilities these days...) then go sit on the couch and play video games. 
The football program had a major issue and it is (finally) being looked at and will be overhauled. The softball program just stinks on the field and the coach is not a nice person. This is NOTHING like what has happened at football. Quit blaming the effing Diamondback reporter AaronG. It's getting old. 
The softball trainer is regularly changed. Oftentimes they are a fellow and have a 1 year appointment, so you can throw the BS about refusing to work for a team/coach out the window too. Give it a rest people. 
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You have kids from out of state, with no family nearby and they are not known to the local news media. Add on to that if you have a losing season, no one in local media cares. I actually wonder if the coaches do this on purpose--first of all Maryland is not a softball hotbed. Then get kids who are far away from home and disoriented for the first few months on campus, trying to find their footing and confidence in a new environment. You can abuse them and isolate them, as they have no comparison to what things SHOULD be like. They want to play, they want to be on the team. JW was known to create cliques out of the local versus away players, to divide them.

Local kids who are stars would be known to the Sun, their families would be close nearby. Football players are more likely to be from the area. Their families can more easily advocate, although it is a shame that a family of a player who died had to advocate at all....


Football players are more likely to be from the area??? Yeah, you might want to fact check that one....
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If you don’t like what we are talking about, then unsubscribe from this topic thread Mr. BS28. You sound like a complete idiot right now. We will give it a rest when all of the BS stops and things actually change!
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Maybe I should have said basketball and football, but McNair came from McDonough. The football roster is about 100, correct? There are opportunities and local players, yes. Since I was a kid growing up here, I have known several; took classes with local athletes on the football team. If you expand to the mid-Atlantic prior to joining the Big 10, you see more.

Watten and JW in softball have shown a clear disdain for Maryland players (preferring Cali players) for a long time, and if they get to walk on, they are told they will be living on the bench or doing bullpen catching. That is different than the first years, where most were from the mid-Atlantic/east. JW has been beaten up about it so much, she went to one local team and took like 5 players immediately to shut us up, because she is reactive, childish, and does not think things through
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