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Okay, I'll bite.  You are entitled to you opinion and I respect that.  But I am entitled to disagree and I do.  I don't see how their exodus without making waves is/was good for anyone except themselves.  They were in positions of leadership, privy to information and direction (good or bad) from the coach.  They had first hand knowledge of what went on day to day, game to game, season to season, and whether or not all the allegations were true.  They were the proof so to speak above the average player complaining syndrome.    During that two year period, they not only followed the direction of the coach, but thru their actions (or inaction's from what I understand when it came to certain players), they contributed to the distress of the team as a whole and definitely to the 9 players.  Did they stand up and take issue with the decisions while they were there?  Did they coach everyone to the best of their ability, and promote everyone on the team?  Not according to the posts I've read.  And I'm sure there is more there that's not been said on this board.  Instead, from what I have seen here, they went along with it all - didn't stand up for all the players, or at least not the 9 that left (likely contributed to their individual demise), and knew all along what was going on.  Then jumped ship.  Without helping those that sadly, looked up to them.  How is that right?   

As "assistant coaches" (not two year olds), they had two years of first hand knowledge combined which would  have been plenty to share with administration against the existing regime. (Seems the 9 players that stood up are hands and fist above the assistant coaching title. How is their not coming forward any better then the accusations made against the coach, KB, or the AD).  Coming forward may have saved some of the players from what was endured.  Which to be correct, is awful.    Had they done this, one might surmise that the coach wouldn't be there today, hence some if not all of the 9 would have finished their careers and/or wouldn't be dragging around the proverbial baggage they have now been sadly saddled with.  And yeah, the assistants were part of the saddling process but were out to save their own skin so that took priority.     Yeah, life is tough, but it should never have been this tough for the players.  While I realize this thread is not directed at the assistants personally, and it was not my original intent to belabor it or them, to pretend that they are off the hook is interesting.  That's like saying "oh well, I got mine, so to hell with you".   And I do have an issue with that.   Oh, I get it, par for the course for Maryland.   Nope, not buying it.  They knew, they ignored it for their careers or to save their reputations with their peers at the sacrifice of the players.   That is awful.   They'll  have to live with themselves.  My apologies if this offends you or anyone else, but this is how I see it.  Seems to me that there is somewhat of a double standard in this case.  Especially with Marylands win/lose record, one couldn't argue on behalf of the "other" players, one can only argue that those involved in positions of authority, perceived or otherwise,  either don't see the bigger picture, or don't care.

I’ve personally been very critical of Julie Wight, her coaches and the Md softball administration on this board. I also like to think I'm factual based to the best of my knowledge. Back in the summer, when I was made aware of the coaches leaving I posted it. The information I received about the assistant coaches at that time was, they were good people. They were respected by many of the players on the team. I'm sure not all the players liked them, I'm not naive. I was told they were the voice of reason trying to make a very bad situation better. I understood some of the players even felt the pitching coach could of been a better head coach. This information came via some Md players from another source.                                                                                                                                                                                          I've seen nothing that makes me believe these coaches should be put in the same bucket as Julie Wright. None of us really know how these coaches communicated things on their way out the door to the Md administration. Nor why or how they really left….seriously. My understanding was they Left on their own, but then again lots of people say they quit jobs on their own, but really it's not the case.  Maybe they tried to do the things you say they should of done during the season. Maybe that's why they left without jobs. Maybe they got black balled by other coaches for speaking out. Or just maybe, they were pushed out by Julie Wright for opening their months, just like the players did. Reading this board doesn't give anyone insight to the real details of that whole thing. One thing is for sure they left a Big Ten job for no job at the time. I did heard one is giving lessons or coaching for a Pro league or something, not positive on that. A far stretch from the Big Ten, they got nothing out of all this as far as I'm concerned. know. These are the facts as I know them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         I think in the most part we agree with the mess and horrible things Julie Wright has done to these players and families. She should not get away with any of this, nor should Kristin Brown. Its, my opinion I've seen nothing that makes me believe these assistant coaches did anything wrong.They did there job and tried to support the players in a terrible situation.                                                                                                                                                                                            Hopefully the new administration comes in and reviews this entire situation and holds Julie Wright accountable  and makes the proper changes.    

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Okay, I'll bite.  You are entitled to you opinion and I respect that.  But I am entitled to disagree and I do.  I don't see how their exodus without making waves is/was good for anyone except themselves.  They were in positions of leadership, privy to information and direction (good or bad) from the coach.  They had first hand knowledge of what went on day to day, game to game, season to season, and whether or not all the allegations were true.  They were the proof so to speak above the average player complaining syndrome.    During that two year period, they not only followed the direction of the coach, but thru their actions (or inaction's from what I understand when it came to certain players), they contributed to the distress of the team as a whole and definitely to the 9 players.  Did they stand up and take issue with the decisions while they were there?  Did they coach everyone to the best of their ability, and promote everyone on the team?  Not according to the posts I've read.  And I'm sure there is more there that's not been said on this board.  Instead, from what I have seen here, they went along with it all - didn't stand up for all the players, or at least not the 9 that left (likely contributed to their individual demise), and knew all along what was going on.  Then jumped ship.  Without helping those that sadly, looked up to them.  How is that right?   

As "assistant coaches" (not two year olds), they had two years of first hand knowledge combined which would  have been plenty to share with administration against the existing regime. (Seems the 9 players that stood up are hands and fist above the assistant coaching title. How is their not coming forward any better then the accusations made against the coach, KB, or the AD).  Coming forward may have saved some of the players from what was endured.  Which to be correct, is awful.    Had they done this, one might surmise that the coach wouldn't be there today, hence some if not all of the 9 would have finished their careers and/or wouldn't be dragging around the proverbial baggage they have now been sadly saddled with.  And yeah, the assistants were part of the saddling process but were out to save their own skin so that took priority.     Yeah, life is tough, but it should never have been this tough for the players.  While I realize this thread is not directed at the assistants personally, and it was not my original intent to belabor it or them, to pretend that they are off the hook is interesting.  That's like saying "oh well, I got mine, so to hell with you".   And I do have an issue with that.   Oh, I get it, par for the course for Maryland.   Nope, not buying it.  They knew, they ignored it for their careers or to save their reputations with their peers at the sacrifice of the players.   That is awful.   They'll  have to live with themselves.  My apologies if this offends you or anyone else, but this is how I see it.  Seems to me that there is somewhat of a double standard in this case.  Especially with Marylands win/lose record, one couldn't argue on behalf of the "other" players, one can only argue that those involved in positions of authority, perceived or otherwise,  either don't see the bigger picture, or don't care.


As you paint these former assistants with THAT brush, you absolutely already KNOW that, for those two years, they NEVER shared their thoughts and concerns within the chain of command?  You KNOW this, but how?

If I were a betting man, at least one, if not both, made those attempts, and returned after the first year based on a some vague promise from the administration.  After a second year, and no action or support from the AD office, they left; frustrated, and having done all they could for the players.  There is/was no upside to poison their own futures and careers by making a more public scene, there are certainly enough individuals already doing that.  Being a whistle blower, no matter how right or necessary, is never a good resume item.

I further suspect that their thoughts and concerns were formally made in writing at some point, and would be a matter of record for a new AD or administrator to reference going forward.  Schools hold exit interviews with coaches, too, not just players.  Being personnel-related, probably not available from an Open Records inquiry (see Auburn .......), but it has to exist, I believe.
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Take a crazy coach and add a clueless Kristen Brown, as suspended AD and former automobile romantic and you get a Maryland softball dumpster fire.
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Take a crazy coach and add a clueless Kristen Brown, as suspended AD and former automobile romantic and you get a Maryland softball dumpster fire.



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As you paint these former assistants with THAT brush, you absolutely already KNOW that, for those two years, they NEVER shared their thoughts and concerns within the chain of command?  You KNOW this, but how?

If I were a betting man, at least one, if not both, made those attempts, and returned after the first year based on a some vague promise from the administration.  After a second year, and no action or support from the AD office, they left; frustrated, and having done all they could for the players.  There is/was no upside to poison their own futures and careers by making a more public scene, there are certainly enough individuals already doing that.  Being a whistle blower, no matter how right or necessary, is never a good resume item.

I further suspect that their thoughts and concerns were formally made in writing at some point, and would be a matter of record for a new AD or administrator to reference going forward.  Schools hold exit interviews with coaches, too, not just players.  Being personnel-related, probably not available from an Open Records inquiry (see Auburn .......), but it has to exist, I believe.


Exit interviews....that's cute. Should they have been done....yes. Were they done, a whole different story. Speaking only of players, the girls that were run off by Wright were NOT offered any such interview. Believe me, they were HOPING someone would talk to them. The seniors that graduated were offered a form to fill out by Kristen Brown, who I am sure filed it the same place you will find this team, THE DUMPSTER!

As for the assistants that left. I do believe that some of the parents were made aware of their departure, before Wright was clued in. What if anything, did they discuss or disclose to the AD. Very little if anything. Yet they were witness to it all. Was being blackballed their motive for keeping quiet??? We will never know.

As for the "interim" AD, Evans.....he is WELL aware of the goings on, both past and present. Will he act in the best interests of the athletes that he is there to represent and protect ....so far, NOTHING! The silence is deafening!
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Well the Fall Season is over for Maryland and I believe the results show what we all know. Maryland who had a dysfunctional staff and a 180 RPI last year is not one iota better this year. Yesterday's performance against a less than mediocre Towson team that didn't even make the playoffs in the one team CAA (finishing 7th out of 8 teams), says it all. Losing the first game 7-1. Is that progress? Winning the second game, a sloppy 9-4 win is suspect. Still giving up 4 runs. That's 11 in two games against Towson. Please tell me you Julie Wright and Tori Tyson fans, do you have any pitching that is good enough to improve that 180 RPI? Hardly. We should probably get the Forum moderator to just dissolve this thread because Maryland, which has a rich history and success in athletics, has a bottom third softball program.
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Take a crazy coach and add a clueless Kristen Brown, as suspended AD and former automobile romantic and you get a Maryland softball dumpster fire.
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Well the Fall Season is over for Maryland and I believe the results show what we all know. Maryland who had a dysfunctional staff and a 180 RPI last year is not one iota better this year. Yesterday's performance against a less than mediocre Towson team that didn't even make the playoffs in the one team CAA (finishing 7th out of 8 teams), says it all. Losing the first game 7-1. Is that progress? Winning the second game, a sloppy 9-4 win is suspect. Still giving up 4 runs. That's 11 in two games against Towson. Please tell me you Julie Wright and Tori Tyson fans, do you have any pitching that is good enough to improve that 180 RPI? Hardly. We should probably get the Forum moderator to just dissolve this thread because Maryland, which has a rich history and success in athletics, has a bottom third softball program.


Don’t get rid of the tread it may turn into The Maryland Coaching Change thread. By the way, someone sent me a PM message and suggested I read the Testudo Times. You have to check out, see what all the Maryland Fans are saying and have said about  the Julie Wright mess. You may have to dig a bit but it’s in the past spring softball season. I assume that’s the thread Mommy B ( Julie’s mother ) warned all the players to stay off of. WOW!!

Based on the teams weekend performance against Towson, looks like Julie Wright is going to have a long winter and a spring that looks spotty at best. I hope we aren’t going to get lectured on the Towson RPI and the schedule comparison  with the Big Tem again.  The team needed a strong showing to end fall ball, it didn’t happen. The talent may be there - although it hasn’t shown yet-  this coaching staff hasn’t been able to move it forward.  Based on the fall, the new hitting coach Hayward hasn’t done anything and the pitching is well below last year. Luckily for Julie she doesn’t have to do post-game interviews after fall games. Plain and simple. The team did not look good this fall. Something I just heard this morning. Some of the younger players seem to think there is no upper classmen leadership on the team. Probably one of last year’s strong points from a terrible season. There are some players Julie is expecting that role to be handed off too. But, it seems personalities on the inside have hindered that along with some off season issues that hasn’t created the good role models thing.  

Mommy B has a whole lot of work to do this year when the team goes to Fla early January. I waiting to see if the Take Your Mom To work Thing takes off in the Big Ten this year.  Julie Wright note to self, pad that early season up with a lot of weak teams.  Stay away from Power House Shepard


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That font, and your lie about "somebody sent me a PM suggesting I read the Testudo Times" makes you seem kinda unhinged. Nobody is gonna buy what you're selling if you don't get your sh1t together.

btw you don't need to work two handles on this thread to make your argument. You accidentally left that stupid font going when you logged in as Just Ask1 up above. You're better than that lol.

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Who cares about fonts? JW is fine with his/her post. I heard from one of my contacts at Towson that there was a beat down of the Maryland players after the games by "mind game coach" Julie Wright. The number of errors made by her team was consistent with last year's poor performance. She can't judge talent and wants to degrade them into playing well. The pitching is allowing too many hard hit balls that turn into errors. Glad the season is over. Maybe we can get a turnaround over the winter. Stay tuned.
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Maryland Softball Record by Year:

Year    Coach         Overall      Conference

2012   Watten        34-22         10-8
2013   Watten        31-26         13-8
2014   Watten        11-35         7-16
2015   Diefel          27-27         9-14
2016   Wright         12-40         4-19
2017   Wright         11-39         4-19
2018   Wright          ? - ?           ?- ?
    
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NLI's get signed soon. Any word on Maryland commits/verbals?
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There are a couple on Batbusters and Corona angels pages from So Cal.  


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I'm familiar with those organizations somewhat. But don't the elite teams from them send their kids to the top programs and the second tier teams send them to places like Maryland?
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I'm familiar with those organizations somewhat. But don't the elite teams from them send their kids to the top programs and the second tier teams send them to places like Maryland?


While typically true, the last name Tyson has some serious draw power; particularly in the organization mentioned whose top dog has the same last name ..........
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Tyson's name alone will help West Coast recruiting, but at the end of the day you still have a wacko steering the ship.
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Sums up the Tyson family.....





PS. One of the prior Terp assistants was no saint......
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Looks like Terp has a burr in her hiney
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Terp - what preceded the outburst? You like to stir the pot, but once again you have only represented half the story. I have known Marty for many years and know him to be a family man that will fight for his family and his players when they have been wronged as well as holding them accountable. The one thing you cannot disagree with is the number of players he gets to top programs and the opportunities created for a college education for his players.
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Terp - what preceded the outburst? You like to stir the pot, but once again you have only represented half the story. I have known Marty for many years and know him to be a family man that will fight for his family and his players when they have been wronged as well as holding them accountable. The one thing you cannot disagree with is the number of players he gets to top programs and the opportunities created for a college education for his players.


Stirring the pot? Let's not let the facts get in the way. And why, as long as your doing it for "family & team" is it always the excuse and OK to act like a complete Loon? I'm sure many people have their own stories about him. And I certainly won't dispute what he's done for his kids, some wonderful things. 

I've seen him make the best Umpire Hecklers look like like amateurs. Seen him & his 11teen assistants 'invade' the field during live play to reprimand his players. Sure if you're part of his softball family you tolerate that stuff, I get that. But to the average parent/spectator he just looks like the 4th Stooge.

That film clip above is the tip of the Iceburg. Shoot, aren't they firing Head Coaches for less these days.


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Sums up the Tyson family.....

PS. One of the prior Terp assistants was no saint......



Terp you're a tool sometimes. Nobody is forced to play in Marty's program. He's not coaching a college team. If your kid needs to be coddled and needs a safe space, the Angels isn't for you.  If you want to be prepared for anything a college coach can throw at you, then maybe the Angels is for you.
I remember a few years ago during a game, the plate Ump was a little erratic. A couple of Angels kids in a row got punched out looking, and a few of their parents were groaning and complaining. Marty looks over to the stands and BARKS "Be quiet over there, complaining about the zone. We're here to hit, not watch."
Parents shut their traps, kids got up after that and crushed the ball.

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That comment was about a prior assistant not the current one.

The current assistant posted on here and her posts were troubling, because she changed her handle to justify some things that were not for a coach to post publicly. Hopefully she has learned something that she had not learned previously.

PS. I have no kids in softball to post about that need coddling; I am simply a former player. I live in Maryland and never heard of the Tyson guy before daughter came to coach at UMD.

Someone else mentioned the guy so I just ran a "background check." Simple as that.
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TerpAlum, that was a great post. He threatened to beat the you know what out of the umpire. Did I hear that correctly? I'll bet you that this confrontational style is acceptable in his softball circle. I'm hearing that maybe the assistant at Maryland isn't getting along all that great with Julie Wright.  Who knows?
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Harumph.  Ejected, states he's not leaving.  Forfeit.  Done.
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No pitchers??

http://www.umterps.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=29700&ATCLID=211677379
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There is more than one signing period.  This is just the fall signing period.  


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True, but do you think the really good ones get scooped up earlier or later?
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Does anybody know if she even tried to recruit players within a 500 mile radius of the State of Maryland? 
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