Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 6 of 7     «   Prev   3   4   5   6   7   Next
PH2

Registered:
Posts: 333
Reply with quote  #151 
Softball coaches do that kind of stuff fairly regularly.  You're right, it doesn't happen in baseball all that much, even at lower levels.  Look at the Lunceford PH AB - why would you necessarily think about PHing for your lead-off All-American?
TerpAlum

Registered:
Posts: 806
Reply with quote  #152 
Cold weather softball teams get very little on field practice and the initial weekends of play are sometimes very poor, and the coach really has no idea how players will perform, having mostly seen cage work and small gym activities. Many college softball players do not play in a league over the summer, while a lot of college baseball players do. (I wish this were different.)

The number of games, however, is high enough that more substitutions should happen, particularly in non-conference play, so who cares about some silly PH.

I would not sit around as a freshman or sophomore waiting two-three years to get in a game; I would transfer or stop playing. And I can say that from personal experience, where we all got shots to play from game 1.

Ultimately, MLB is not the comparison for college softball.

PS. Pulling a player after one or two poor at bats, during the first weekend is not the kind of reinforcement you want and can negatively impact performance going forward. A better approach would be to platoon and rotate players on a set schedule. Now not following coach instructions, that is another thing.

When you get to conference play, then dig in with starters and the rest of the tough love.
Nextyear

Registered:
Posts: 120
Reply with quote  #153 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBLC20
Regarding my post about pinch-hitting for the 4 hitter, obviously the 4 hitter isn't necessarily the 4 hitter after one time through the lineup, but that's not the point.  The point is why in the world would you have somebody batting fourth who will ever be replaced by a pinch hitter?  I don't care what time of the year it is.  

Again, when is the last time an MLB team decided to pinch-hit for anyone batting in the top four of its order?  And if so, then why in the world are they in the top four?  This type of utter nonsense happens only in softball.


Agreed. This is pretty simple. If you have a hitter on the bench that gives you a better chance than your clean up hitter -

1. Your clean up hitter should not be hitting clean up.

2. The pinch hitter should have never have been on the bench.

3. Or both.

It’s not a huge deal ......except it shows the coach that does that is incompetent.
PH2

Registered:
Posts: 333
Reply with quote  #154 
The explanation that it's early in the season is a valid one, though.  Coaches are often looking to get many different players into games early on to see how they handle situations and who rises to the top.  It's not expected that coaches are simply using their top 9 hitters for every AB starting Game 1.
Nextyear

Registered:
Posts: 120
Reply with quote  #155 
Here is what I don’t understand. Wright has been very vocal that she just has to run off all of Wattens players and things will improve. The problem is that Deifel and staff went 27-27 with Wattens players. Wright has gone 24-83 since. Maybe she should have invested a little more time and energy in developing Wattens players instead chasing them all away.
TruDat

Registered:
Posts: 1,135
Reply with quote  #156 
A good leader can take another coach's players and work with them, with some exceptions. Deifel actually turned that team around. Then she leaves and the storm hits. The MD team has a few decent players and will win about 15- 16 games. If that is acceptable then there is nothing for people to talk about.
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #157 
It's her ego. In her warped mind she thinks all of Wattens players were bad and everybody she has brought in has been good. It has been the complete opposite. Sky has been her best offensive player and Madison and Hannah have been her best pitchers and she had ZERO to do with them being here!
barkbox

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #158 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nextyear
Here is what I don’t understand. Wright has been very vocal that she just has to run off all of Wattens players and things will improve. The problem is that Deifel and staff went 27-27 with Wattens players. Wright has gone 24-83 since. Maybe she should have invested a little more time and energy in developing Wattens players instead chasing them all away.


Good observation Nextyear! In fact for 2017 absolutely no change in the pitcher count (minus Schmeiser adding Main) as she only lost two players that year to graduation.  Good Coaching skills and working players offensively was a LOST Opportunity.
barkbox

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #159 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aarong3000
I'm happy that I found this thread. I had no idea that all of this bullying stuff was going on with this team. It's crazy that the Testudo times, the left bench or especially the diamondback hasn't reported anything about this. You have athletes on this campus filing protective orders against other athletes and nobody is talking about it, WTF. This whole athletic department is a mess!


You should read the threads from last season's mess - under College Softball.[rolleyes][rolleyes][biggrin][eek][eek]
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #160 
I saw some of it last night. I cannot believe that so many people in the athletic department are covering up and protecting a coach with such a horrible win-loss record. Hopefully this will be the final season of her reign of terror!
PBLC20

Registered:
Posts: 155
Reply with quote  #161 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nextyear
Agreed. This is pretty simple. If you have a hitter on the bench that gives you a better chance than your clean up hitter - 1. Your clean up hitter should not be hitting clean up. 2. The pinch hitter should have never have been on the bench. 3. Or both. It’s not a huge deal ......except it shows the coach that does that is incompetent.


Exactly, and thank you.  How does a team reach the start of the season - after having all fall and all of January, not to mention past seasons - and have no clue who its best hitters might be?  Other than injury (or if the lineup is completely screwed up to begin with), there simply isn't a single valid reason to ever pinch-hit for a hitter in the top four of a lineup.
TerpAlum

Registered:
Posts: 806
Reply with quote  #162 
OK. I got it. Coaches are perfect, omnipotent and can predict the future of young athletes on the field, without seeing them there against real competition -- when line ups turn over every year, seniors leave and new freshmen come in, and the pieces change. So once the magic lineup is determined in January, then the top four are untouchable.

And the only work they got in was off a tee. Having played myself, the fall is silly play time, often times (not in a good way). Too many rules on how much and when you can practice and play "softball."

Please tell me what great activities one does in January (school starts at end of month) that predicts on field performance against a live pitcher from another school, from the likes of UCLA and Auburn? At UM, it appears they came back early and did nothing, and then went somewhere and bonded....

That's why I recommend pushing the season back a month. Stay after school ends in May, and if you make post season, you have to stay after graduation (don't those players miss it anyway?). Who cares.
Fresh

Registered:
Posts: 3,849
Reply with quote  #163 
Players go through high and low times during the season and can be distracted. If you're trying to work on something early in the season and the player is not listening, the pine speaks louder than words. The fall tells you little about your starting lineup, spring games really kick off the season.
__________________
The previous comment is an opinion. It came as the result of a lifetime of keen observation and spectacular failures. I did conclude this; hopefully, we learn as much from failure as we do from our accomplishments.
TruDat

Registered:
Posts: 1,135
Reply with quote  #164 
TerpAlum has some great points. In my view, if you are tinkering with the cleanup spot early on, your team is not settled. In my opinion there is not much to work with at MD and that is reflected in the move to have a freshman batting fourth and another one pinch hitting for her. Neither of whom should be in that spot at this juncture. The trip to Florida was a waste of time and money.
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 12,141
Reply with quote  #165 
It is flipping amazing the durability of a thread related to Maryland softball
HenryLouisAaron

Registered:
Posts: 791
Reply with quote  #166 
<< Other than injury (or if the lineup is completely screwed up to begin with), there simply isn't a single valid reason to ever pinch-hit for a hitter in the top four of a lineup. >> (PBLC20)

Sure there is.
If a game is so one sided that one team has no chance of winning... 
then subs are often put into the game.

And here is another...
One of those top 4 batters in the lineup has batted against the same opposing pitcher 2 or 3 times and struck out each time - looking as if she had absolutely zero chance to ever even touch the ball. In such a case, it makes perfect sense to substitute for that batter (especially if you have a sub who is very good at making contact).
outofzone

Registered:
Posts: 1,185
Reply with quote  #167 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3leftturns
It is flipping amazing the durability of a thread related to Maryland softball


Kinda like a Cockroach uh?
TheMom

Registered:
Posts: 5
Reply with quote  #168 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3leftturns
It is flipping amazing the durability of a thread related to Maryland softball


Because it is mostly one person with multiple user names??? Did I get it right??? Is there a prize???
BStandby

Registered:
Posts: 33
Reply with quote  #169 
You can tell it is one person based on their writing style. 
__________________
Bob...
PBLC20

Registered:
Posts: 155
Reply with quote  #170 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< Other than injury (or if the lineup is completely screwed up to begin with), there simply isn't a single valid reason to ever pinch-hit for a hitter in the top four of a lineup. >> (PBLC20)

Sure there is.
If a game is so one sided that one team has no chance of winning... 
then subs are often put into the game.

And here is another...
One of those top 4 batters in the lineup has batted against the same opposing pitcher 2 or 3 times and struck out each time - looking as if she had absolutely zero chance to ever even touch the ball. In such a case, it makes perfect sense to substitute for that batter (especially if you have a sub who is very good at making contact).


The one-sided game, certainly, is correct.  If a team is going to pinch-hit for one of its top hitters based upon that hitter striking out 2 or 3 times against the same pitcher, then it must be the case that all MLB managers have no idea what they're doing.  I know some say softball and baseball differ and aren't comparable here, but I have no idea what the difference would be when it comes to pinch-hitting for one of your top hitters.  If it's a hitter who is marginally in the lineup, I get that, but a top hitter on the team?  I suppose it could be the case that a team is so poor that it has no exceptional hitters and subbing one hitter for any other is basically a crap-shoot.  

In any event, if a college coach can't at least have a pretty good idea of who his/her best players are after 2-3 months of fall practice and another few weeks in January (let alone previous seasons for everyone except freshmen), then what is it they're doing during all that time that is a higher priority?  Do they not ever go "live" during all of that time?
Nextyear

Registered:
Posts: 120
Reply with quote  #171 
“I suppose it could be the case that a team is so poor that it has no exceptional hitters and subbing one hitter for any other is basically a crap-shoot. “

Not taking a shot at any player but I think you just gave the answer. If you don’t really have a top half of the line up does it really matter who you pinch hit for during the course of the game. On most teams it’s very rare to pinch hit for a clean up hitter but this may be more or an indictment of UMs talent level right now than their coaching ability.
Alwaysaterp

Registered:
Posts: 29
Reply with quote  #172 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TerpAlum
Please pray tell, which screen names are one person? I wish I knew who the other posters were because I want the bullying complaints to go to the AD now that a new one is in there. And a group could do it better.

And I know I am one person and do not know any of the others.


They have ALL been forwarded to the new AD, back in the fall!! And still.....nothing!
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #173 
The new interim AD has been with the athletic department for a while. He probably knows everything that has gone on. He definitely knows about the protective orders that just went out to the 2 softball girls.

I understand people using fake names on these boards. They are probably parents or related to the players on the team and don't want their children to get punished by the coach or the other players. I have no problem using my Twitter and Instagram name on these boards. The only thing she can do to me is make all of her players block me on social media (which she has done by the way) hahaha.
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #174 
It's going to be another long season for this team. They are now 2-7, cannot drive in any runs and they are making a ton of errors. Basically the same stuff from last season. I wonder who Coach Wright will try to put the blame on now for all of this, hahaha!
TerpAlum

Registered:
Posts: 806
Reply with quote  #175 
Sorry to say this but I went to the U of M CLUB team game against Navy probably two years ago, whose team should be varsity, when MD won. That team, and that CLUB pitcher, could beat St. Francis, no offense to St. Francis, their pitcher is also good.
BigTenSoftball

Registered:
Posts: 124
Reply with quote  #176 
On e again, you have no clue what you are talking about. St. Francis is a far better program at this point than Maryland.
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #177 
There is no way a team like St. Francis should be better than Maryland. I blame the horrible coaching. It's one thing to go scoreless against Auburn with most of your hitters returning from last year but it's another thing for that to happen against St. Francis. It's going to be hilarious to see what excuses she have for this weekend in her post game interview!
hiker42

Registered:
Posts: 1
Reply with quote  #178 
aarong, I respectfully disagree with some of your observations.  I watched most of the Auburn games this weekend and St Francis gave a good account of themselves especially considering the small school enrollment.  Auburn got a last inning walk off win 4-3 in their first game and won 5-0 in second game.   Also, Auburn has a lot of new faces in the lineup compared to last year and we were not a very good hitting team then.  We lost our best returning hitter to transfer (Carlee Wallace).  Currently our best batter is our freshman SS.  No doubt, Auburn's strength is their pitching. Although early season competition has not been with major type programs, they have given up only 5 runs in 13 games.   From what I saw, Maryland is going to have big issues in the circle.  They appear to have a long way to go as far as team development.  May not have the staff to attract a talented pitcher, which is probably the quickest way to improve the won//loss record.  I can understand the frustration.
barkbox

Registered:
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #179 
Auburn played great this weekend - great pitching as well from Auburn.  Considering what Auburn went through off the field, on the field will only get better this season.  Can't wait to see what Martin brings for the rest of the season. 

aarong3000 - St. Francis has discipline and typically has solid recruiting within the region.... in the last 4 seasons ALWAYS shuts out Maryland - tough rival - last season SFU won 2 out of 3 against Maryland at home field :0)      
aarong3000

Registered:
Posts: 13
Reply with quote  #180 
Looks like it'll be another 10-15 win season for this team. This is definitely some karma for all of the BS that has gone on with this program behind the scenes. I can only imagine what that bus ride home was like! 😱😱😱😱😱
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.