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TruDat

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He means to not start out with the likes of UCLA etc and go to tournaments with the mid major teams where they can get some wins.
aarong3000

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Thanks TruDat, you took the words right out of my mouth. This team does not need to start the year with 5 straight non conference tourneys to open the season especially when they have to go against big conference powerhouses. They are not ready for that right now. That is why they always have like 20 losses before they even play a Big ten game!
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I don't think you guys can look at, or understand, the entire picture. It isn't all about wins and losses. The opportunity to play the likes of Florida (and win btw...) and UCLA and Auburn, etc is huge for recruiting and for the program as a whole. No young lady says "Oh, I want to go to Maryland so I can experience beating Jacksonville and North Florida and [insert community college/Juco here]. 

If you come back from non-conference to B1G play with a 20-5 record and then sh*t the bed still in B1G play, what good do those 20 wins do for anyone?
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You can play a big time team once in a while but you don't need to play them in every tournament and sometimes they play that team twice. Yes I know they beat Florida a few years ago but its obvious that Florida didn't take them seriously after they just lost to winless Florida A&M two hours before that game.

This team needs all the wins that they can get!
TruDat

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The coach's job is about wins and losses. What you don't do is try to play above your weight too often. Watten had delusions of grandeur and it cost her the job. Maryland does not belong playing against Auburn, or Alabama or Oregon. Slip in a big time team now and then and try to gauge where you are. If you have a 150 type RPI team, you don't go hanging out with the 1-25's too much or you won't get many wins. It's all about common sense and correct self assessment. The St. Francis team is much better than Maryland and that should tell you where MD should set their sites first. 
ballsoft28

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Again, you both aren't understanding. You don't recruit talented kids by telling them they will get the opportunity to beat up on (or lose, in Maryland's case) lesser competition.

Plus, they played their best competition out of conference last season in relation to the previous 2 seasons ('16 + '17) and had their best in conference record. Maybe that is correlated, maybe it isn't, but I'll bet it is. When you play better competition and face better pitching it prepares you better for when you face what the Big Ten is throwing at you, which is mostly mediocre. 
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Good luck ball
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Originally Posted by ballsoft28
Again, you both aren't understanding. You don't recruit talented kids by telling them they will get the opportunity to beat up on (or lose, in Maryland's case) lesser competition.

Plus, they played their best competition out of conference last season in relation to the previous 2 seasons ('16 + '17) and had their best in conference record. Maybe that is correlated, maybe it isn't, but I'll bet it is. When you play better competition and face better pitching it prepares you better for when you face what the Big Ten is throwing at you, which is mostly mediocre. 


Don't disagree with your premise. But it doesn't apply to MD...by any standard.
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Ball, Maryland was 4-19, 4-19 and 7-16 in 2016,2017 and 2018 respectively. I guess that is improvement. It is still horrendous and the 2018 schedule was not significantly better than previous years. When you lose twice as many as you win, throw your statistics away. They are meaningless.
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I still can't figure out why Golden left CSUF.  I realize her coach took a job at Maryland, but the fact of the matter is CSUF seems to be a much better team. Better weather too!
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TruDat

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BullDog, you are not alone in your questioning. I've watched her pitch and she is pretty good, but needs to play for a good team. She is not a power pitcher that can put a team on her back. No one wants to believe that she and the coach were a package deal but it sure looks that way.
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Yeah they can try to deny it but they were obviously a packaged deal. A pitcher and her pitching coach leaves CSUF to come to Maryland which is 3000 miles away and neither of them knew it was happening, yeah right, hahaha.

It’s just like in basketball when you see a school get a certain player and then all of a sudden their former AAU/college coach gets hired as an assistant coach. The pure definition of a packaged deal!
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BullDog, you are not alone in your questioning. I've watched her pitch and she is pretty good, but needs to play for a good team. She is not a power pitcher that can put a team on her back. No one wants to believe that she and the coach were a package deal but it sure looks that way.


She needs to "...play for a good team."  

She had one good year, her Freshman year. Then all her stats started a decline. Most likely the reason she transferred was because she got worse not better..and her innings pitched dropped off.

Have you looked at her numbers lately?? Not sure playing for a better team would improve on her pitching numbers...only thing playing for a better team would do is get her more bench time. 
TruDat

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Outofzone, whether you know it or not we agree. She throws about 58 mph. No riseball or curveball and a mediocre changeup. Control isn't bad but she doesn't have enough juice to be a frontline pitcher on a low level team and be expected to win more than she loses.
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She needs to "...play for a good team."  

She had one good year, her Freshman year. Then all her stats started a decline. Most likely the reason she transferred was because she got worse not better..and her innings pitched dropped off.

Have you looked at her numbers lately?? Not sure playing for a better team would improve on her pitching numbers...only thing playing for a better team would do is get her more bench time. 


DING DING DING!!!  You win!!!
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She needs to "...play for a good team."  

She had one good year, her Freshman year. Then all her stats started a decline. Most likely the reason she transferred was because she got worse not better..and her innings pitched dropped off.

Have you looked at her numbers lately?? Not sure playing for a better team would improve on her pitching numbers...only thing playing for a better team would do is get her more bench time. 



Her freshman year at CSUF she also was heavily protected by an experienced senior pitcher that went in at the first sign of trouble and helped protect her numbers. She had a very good drop ball and was relatively unknown but once teams got enough looks at the drop and started laying off it she needed to develop another trick. From what I know of her personality (admittedly not a lot) she is a pitcher that really wants to be the star. I am not knocking this, it is a great trait for a pitcher to have. But at Fullerton where there is always a heavy pitching staff she was going to have to compete every day with incoming pitchers who were eager to prove themselves and I am not sure that appealed to her. She was a favorite of Tyson so the theory that they both ended up at Maryland by coincidence is laughable but I do believe Golden had a good friend playing there as well which might have been part of the draw. Hopefully she will develop new tricks this year to help her team be more successful and hopefully she will get decent defense which a ground ball pitcher desperately needs!
TruDat

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Mom, good post. She is a decent pitcher, but a number 3 on a good staff. She is number 1 at Maryland which speaks to their troubles. I heard that she was not very friendly to Denhart and that caused dissention on the team.
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Yeah, out of all the moves this offseason, Denhart leaving this program after her freshman season when she was the number 2 listed pitcher and pitched almost the same amount of time as Golden was the most shocking. It looks like there was heavy favoritism towards Golden with her being closely aligned to Tyson and this alienated the rest of the pitchers. This is probably the main reason Graves and Denhart wanted to get the hell out of here!
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Yeah, out of all the moves this offseason, Denhart leaving this program after her freshman season when she was the number 2 listed pitcher and pitched almost the same amount of time as Golden was the most shocking. It looks like there was heavy favoritism towards Golden with her being closely aligned to Tyson and this alienated the rest of the pitchers. This is probably the main reason Graves and Denhart wanted to get the hell out of here!


Doesn't surprise me on the favoritism.
TruDat

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Just got word that there was a pitcher's duel in the second game on Friday with George Mason. You know, the powerhouse GM. 10-10 tie with 14 hits each. Now come on, I know it's the Fall. But really? Maryland is, as I said before, a mediocre Mid Major. What did that big girl transfer pitcher do, did she pitch in that game? Anybody see it?
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You can't really go by fall ball scores. Some teams agree to situational drills.  I am not saying that this is the case but for many teams it is more of a practice.  


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BStandby, they did not agree to situational drills. This was a regular type game. The pitchers were throwing the umpires were there and the scoreboard was working. My point is that given the level of play that Maryland will be expected to play, having your pitching give up 14 hits to a low level team is something that can't be explained away.
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I forgot that they was playing George Mason on Friday since it was Homecoming weekend. I was preoccupied with other things, hahaha.

We will know what this team is really like after February is over and I have a feeling that it’s going to be another long season. Their best players from last season either transferred or graduated!
TruDat

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Aaron, does Maryland or did Maryland have an Alumni game? Homecoming made me think of that. If they don't I find it really odd given the support that the current coach could use from the alums. Maybe she has alienated them (certainly the most recent ones). TerpAlum, can you comment?
aarong3000

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There wasn't a homecoming Alumni game TruDat. A lot of the players that left the team because of the coach was back on campus for the football game though.

I doubt that she really cares about the former softball players, especially the ones that she didn't recruit. Look at her track record!
TruDat

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But I thought she talked about having that "family" atmosphere, early on in her tenure. Keeping Alumni involved and being proud of a program helps create and sustain success. I think it speaks to her personality and/or insecurity. But who knows.
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Aren't the main posters on this thread alumni?


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We are talking about the former players who are also the alumni!
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The Maryland softball team had its annual alumni tailgate this past weekend. There were plenty of alums there but conspicuously missing was Julie Wright. This is the same Julie Wright that was going to “Sell The World on Maryland Softball and Build a Nationally supported alumni base." These are her words!   

Rumor has it, the reason she didn’t show was because some of the previous players that she ran off were planning to attend. If it wasn’t for a couple of these players the event would of never even taken place. Julie, you are unable to deal with the mess that you created so you run from it. Own it Julie, real nice job.

Julie, you better pad your schedule with a lot of pansies because this season is going to be no better than last year and could be a long one. The 10 run 15 hit tie with George Mason does not give us hope that you have the players to compete nor the ability to lead those players on the field.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Run off long ago. More disturbing news has come to light at Maryland about physical treatment of athletes. Given to assistant AD and BOR. No one seems to care. So I choose to stop posting, never mind this board spouts misogynist things about women on a minute by minute basis, when it is a board about a women's sports. It all, taken together with Dr. Ford's story and courage (speaking the truth on behalf of all of us who are sexual assault survivors -- particularly in my state) is beyond just words now, it is dangerous.

So I will not be posting any longer until changes are made at Maryland, in the government, and it is safer -- and effective -- to be out speaking in this country (part of this is that when people speak up, something actually happens --which it currently is not -- and we don't continue sinking in a cesspool where there are no values, just winning.)
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