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pabar61

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funny.

my mom and dad, both of whom have never had any sort of alcohol in their whole lives, were always distrustful of Catholics for this reason.

they had me believing Catholic households were open bar, even for kids.

Then, I spent time with my Cuban refugee best friend in HS, and learned that not to be the case.

You should've seen them when I told them I was marrying a Catholic.  You would've thought we were in Northern Ireland. 


Yes, Catholics do love their "wine".  Having been married to one for almost 34 years, I can tell you that the vast majority of Catholics are good, honest people.  Not up to Bluedog's standards of what a Christian should be.  And my son's in-laws, who are Missionary Baptist, no doubt look down on us.  But overall, good people.  And that's about as much as we can ask for in this world.
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UWA - it's true that blacks are murdered at a much higher rate.  Isn't it also true that in the vast majority of those cases, a black person is also the perpetrator?  It matters because that's what the whole liberal racism argument is about.

yes, mostly people are murdered by people they know.  Black people mostly know black people and same for white.

There is still a racial element to this.  Blacks in America grow up in an unfair environment.  They do not get the education opportunities and employment opportunities that whites get.  Of course that is super hard to fix. 

BTW: The white homicide victim rate includes Hispanic.  If you remove the Hispanic, you will get another significant reduction in homicide rates for white non-hispanic.   

Reality is that living in surburan non-innercity or rural America is way safer than living in most countries on Fresh's list.   Living in black inner-city America is dangerous as f'. 

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Agreed UWA.  Which is why the singular focus on guns makes no sense.  We must treat the disease of poverty, unemployment and hopelessness that drives the vast majority of these murders.
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I married a Catholic Yankee. My Baptist family and Her Catholic family clashed at the rehearsal dinner. When we started attending a local Baptist church, my wife's mother was on the phone wailing and fearing that my wife was going to Purgatory, or Hell for sure. For good measures, when the kids were old enough to make a decision, the kids were Baptized at the Baptist Church. It was serious religious strife at the time, but now we laugh about it.
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Interesting.  I live in GA, graduated Ga Tech, and have never heard anyone use that term, even in college 30 yrs ago.

I live in rural NW GA - no one out here uses that word.  I think it only gets used in the City and on the Southside.


Two smartest, most common sense friends I have graduated from Tech. The one I'm talking about grew up in Albany and never shook the rural Georgia opinion of black people. He does a lot of buying land and turning it into culdesacs and having to deal with City of Atlanta hasn't made him any more open minded. He doesn't use the really vile language typically thrown at the Obamas, but does use nigger. He's also a trumpet.

Your observation on usage makes me think you've never been to Kennesaw. We practice there and play a lot of tournaments in Cobb and Cherokee counties and I can assure you that word is used. Not nearly as much as 15 or more years ago, but some. I think our children and grandchildren are bringing the races together and it won't be long that racial inequality will virtually disappear. Inner city problems will be recognized for the cultural and economic problems they are.
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yes, mostly people are murdered by people they know.  Black people mostly know black people and same for white.

There is still a racial element to this.  Blacks in America grow up in an unfair environment.  They do not get the education opportunities and employment opportunities that whites get.  Of course that is super hard to fix. 

BTW: The white homicide victim rate includes Hispanic.  If you remove the Hispanic, you will get another significant reduction in homicide rates for white non-hispanic.   

Reality is that living in surburan non-innercity or rural America is way safer than living in most countries on Fresh's list.   Living in black inner-city America is dangerous as f'. 


Agree with most of the above, but the highlighted is an overgeneralization, and, in my view, is very location specific.

Areas where poor people are warehoused are gonna be bad - does not matter the race.  I went into some neighborhoods with Viet and Nicauraguan immigrants in Miami that were every bit as dangerous as any other neighborhood.  A couple actually stopped us and escorted us out.

However, especially up north and out west, that's what they do - warehouse people in slums, and let them fight it out.

It is not American to treat our fellow Americans that way.


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I married a Catholic Yankee. My Baptist family and Her Catholic family clashed at the rehearsal dinner. When we started attending a local Baptist church, my wife's mother was on the phone wailing and fearing that my wife was going to Purgatory, or Hell for sure. For good measures, when the kids were old enough to make a decision, the kids were Baptized at the Baptist Church. It was serious religious strife at the time, but now we laugh about it.


When my mom and dad got married in the early 50's, my grandma (mom's side) offered him $20k, in cash, to split.

His religion wasn't the problem - she was afraid he would move her to Ohio, where he was from.  Nobody from our family had left Savannah since Savannah was founded, and the idea of my mom living in Yankee world was just too much.

He agreed to stay local, so the wedding was had.
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Your observation on usage makes me think you've never been to Kennesaw.


Kennesaw is the big metropolis compared to where I live.  However, I have a daughter at KSU, and another who just graduated, and I go there plenty.

Still never heard it.
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Two smartest, most common sense friends I have graduated from Tech. The one I'm talking about grew up in Albany and never shook the rural Georgia opinion of black people. He does a lot of buying land and turning it into culdesacs and having to deal with City of Atlanta hasn't made him any more open minded. He doesn't use the really vile language typically thrown at the Obamas, but does use nigger. He's also a trumpet.

Your observation on usage makes me think you've never been to Kennesaw. We practice there and play a lot of tournaments in Cobb and Cherokee counties and I can assure you that word is used. Not nearly as much as 15 or more years ago, but some. I think our children and grandchildren are bringing the races together and it won't be long that racial inequality will virtually disappear. Inner city problems will be recognized for the cultural and economic problems they are.


Inner city Blacks are not the ones assimilating, associating with other races and creating a colorblind society. It's quite the opposite.

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I was a pawn in the Baptist-Catholic stuff growing up...........I'm glad I got that education on what following a religion is like............

Since then, I've learned following any religion goes against Bible Scripture...........[smile]


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Inner city Blacks are not the ones assimilating, associating with other races and creating a colorblind society. It's quite the opposite.


That wasn't my point. Our children, I'm not inner city or public housing, will foster change. I meant to separate the two demographics. Even in Clayton County Georgia where my wife teaches, her school in the north of the county is prediminantly Hispanic. There is not enough racial diversity to create a multicultural blending. We have to find a way to get our young people to more racially diverse schools. 
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That truly is whacked-thinking........Children and their parents should pick their schools..........

Not you and your liberal freaky friends, Fresh..........
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Disagreement is fine, your intractability about certain subjects makes discussing anything virtually useless.

LMAO The feeling is mutual. Typical Lib arrogant #hypocrisy
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That wasn't my point. Our children, I'm not inner city or public housing, will foster change. I meant to separate the two demographics. Even in Clayton County Georgia where my wife teaches, her school in the north of the county is prediminantly Hispanic. There is not enough racial diversity to create a multicultural blending. We have to find a way to get our young people to more racially diverse schools. 





Yet the left fights kicking and screaming at the thought of school choice.

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That wasn't my point. Our children, I'm not inner city or public housing, will foster change. I meant to separate the two demographics. Even in Clayton County Georgia where my wife teaches, her school in the north of the county is prediminantly Hispanic. There is not enough racial diversity to create a multicultural blending. We have to find a way to get our young people to more racially diverse schools. 


What evidence is there that blacks or hispanics want racially diverse schools?
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That wasn't my point. Our children, I'm not inner city or public housing, will foster change. I meant to separate the two demographics. Even in Clayton County Georgia where my wife teaches, her school in the north of the county is prediminantly Hispanic. There is not enough racial diversity to create a multicultural blending. We have to find a way to get our young people to more racially diverse schools. 


Clayton is not a very diverse county.

Oh, and people fight busing, remember?  Magnet schools were supposed to help that, but only to a small extent.

Even in some magnets, the magnet students are separate from the general pop, because it's too dangerous for them not to be.

I tutored elementary kids at an inner school - ELEMENTARY.  I was advised by the Principal to leave my wallet and wedding ring at the office before I came to campus.

I have never been called more racial slurs than I was there. 


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The Left wages war against anyone that wants to allow school choice. They want equal mediocrity in education, not excellence.
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Yet the left fights kicking and screaming at the thought of school choice.


School choice leads to resegregation. 
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Check with the Liberals up north, and ask them what they thought about forced busing of minorities into their schools back in the 60s and 70's. I remember it, and it was ugly.
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The Left wages war against anyone that wants to allow school choice. They want equal mediocrity in education, not excellence.

That's because the teacher unions own and control that portion of their agenda.
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I was force-bussed in the late sixties as a senior in high school............Didn't ride the bus, but I had to go...........I would never wish that on any kid............
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School choice leads to resegregation. 

Productive and hard working poor minorities will still find a way to get their kids to the better schools.  Even though they will be challenged on the means, they always make choices that highlight their kids educations.  Others will find their choices more limited.

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Never said the choice would be theirs. School board would have diversity as one of the goals. Don't like the school for your child? Pay for private school. No vouchers.
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Never said the choice would be theirs. School board would have diversity as one of the goals. Don't like the school for your child? Pay for private school. No vouchers.


What is the benefit of diversity if the ones you think you're helping don't want it?
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Whack said..........
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School board would have diversity as one of the goals.


Diversity is a joke.......A very bad joke..........
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Agree with most of the above, but the highlighted is an overgeneralization, and, in my view, is very location specific.

Areas where poor people are warehoused are gonna be bad - does not matter the race.  I went into some neighborhoods with Viet and Nicauraguan immigrants in Miami that were every bit as dangerous as any other neighborhood.  A couple actually stopped us and escorted us out.

However, especially up north and out west, that's what they do - warehouse people in slums, and let them fight it out.

It is not American to treat our fellow Americans that way.



Strange.  I have found the Viet and Hmong's here to be extremely hard working, and super smart people.   They start businesses, employ people and prosper.  There are few bad apples that get more into the drug/gang stuff.  When they go bad, they go super bad.  

The Mexicans here dominate the home building trades now.  

I think it is different here.  There is so much upward wage and job pressure.  It is crazy.  You would have to work so f'n hard to remain unemployed here, it would be easier to go to work.   They are paying untrained laborers $32.50 an hour.   So if you know anyone that claims they cannot find work, send them out. 

I think most of the unemployed here are due to excessive drinking or drugging.


 

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Productive and hard working poor minorities will still find a way to get their kids to the better schools.  Even though they will be challenged on the means, they always make choices that highlight their kids educations.  Others will find their choices more limited.


the county where my kids grew up had court-ordered busing.  as part of a settlement with the NAACP, the court agreed to let the county institute choice on a countywide basis.  there are like 16 HS's, 50 MS's, and a few hundred Elems in the county (one countywide school district).

Magnet programs were generally located in the minority areas.  folks sent their kids there regardless.

However, as you would expect, anyone not in a magnet chose the school closest to them, which ended up with resegregation.

was kind of funny - the settlement, which was done to end busing, ended up with segregated schools.

Also - you would get a bus to anywhere in the county if you chose a school across the county.  But, anyone not in magnets went to the nearest, which made tons of sense, and there you have it.
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Mike said.........
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.......the settlement, which was done to end busing, ended up with segregated schools.


So, are you saying there's something wrong with this?
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UW - that was in Miami.  It was surreal.  A few blocks were one thing, then the next few were something else, and so one.  It got rougher the farther away from the Interstate you got.

When we were stopped, we were on the edge of Viet/Nicarauga.

It is entirely possible that other folks of those groups lived in better neighborhoods.  This one area was really, really, rough.  In fact, there were cars parked in the road as chicane-type barriers, so you couldn't drive straight down the road.

I wasn't driving at the time, or we would've been out much sooner.  I was glad the officer came by, and told the driver that if we were to proceed, our safety was in jeopardy, but we could follow him, and he'd escort us back to the freeway.

Of course, he stopped us because he profiled us.  2 white guys, dressed nicely, in a nice car, in a place we had no business being.
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looks like the guy was using bump stocks
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