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uwApoligist

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So now it is a tax only on things partially made in Mexico?

Either way, taxes will be passed on to American consumers.

Dense much?

It is a f'n tax on sh1t from mexico.  When Mexico raises their prices we buy from f'n Chinese that make the same product.   Only thing you got to worry about is Avocado's and Tequila's.

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Personal insult Friday for you UDEW?  Calm down old man - it's a discussion, not a contest.
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So don't be a dipsh1t and stock up now, before the price increase.  Otherwise you will have to go over to your not so dense friends house to get some quac and tequilas. 
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You've got issues....
uwApoligist

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You've got issues....

hehe

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Awesome hehe. Another angle for turden to consider: the cost of the illegals currently crossing (that hopefully a wall will curtail) to me and you taxpayers is (I'm guessing) WAY more than the possible cost increase of buying mexican stuff. Of course, tequila will continue to be bought regardless of the price. 
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I completely understand the economics of it all, just think the dems will use this as a major rallying cry like the GOP did "like your doctor" - regardless of it's validity.  Shutting down the gvt for it will be a net loss IMO.

Agree on the Tequilla - will always be bought.
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Pretty comprehensive article on the wall by Brookings. 

https://www.brookings.edu/essay/the-wall-the-real-costs-of-a-barrier-between-the-united-states-and-mexico/?utm_campaign=Foreign%20Policy&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=55663743
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Trump losing the PR battle?????

Trump doesn't give a rat's potato about PR..............




What did CNN say about the PR battle?  They're in the know

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Brookings?  That's where Bama's fake daughter that he fantasizes about humping was supposed to have worked.  Of course, it was all made up like everything Bama says.
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Trump (thousands of times):

Mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. Who's gonna pay the wall? Deplorables shout MEXICO! Who? Mexico!!  Trump: Mexico will pay for the wall. Believe Me. 

I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. Mexico, Mexico, over and over. We will begin construction on Day One and Mexico will pay. 

Lap it up, lap dogs. 

Fast forward to this past Tuesday night. Not one word about Mexico paying for the wall. Was never gonna happen. There are 2 things that are 100%. Mexico was never gonna pay for it, and Trump makes up lies with an ease never before seen on Earth. 

So at the Phoenix rally, GONE are the claims that Mexico will pay for the wall. Replaced by adamant promises that we WILL build the wall, even if he has to SHUT DOWN the government. But wait, wait, you mean shut it down if Congress won't agree for the USA to pay for the wall. You said Mexico was paying for the wall.  Mark this down, and get back to me about who was right. 
1. Mexico will of course NOT pay for the wall. (adding 3,000 lies to Trump's total of 17,000 lies
2. The budget which is passed by Congress (both houses under GOP control) will NOT include funding for The Wall. 
3. Despite how obvious it is that Trump is to blame for complete failure to pass legislation by continually trashing his fellow Republicans and by continually embarrassing them and the nation with his behavior and lies. Yet, he will accept no blame. 
4. Trump WILL NOT shut down the government. Just more bluster and lies. psst ... Mr president, we have figured you out. 

So check out whether I was correct after September and the budget gets signed and passed. The budget will not fund the wall, Trump will not shut down the government, and since Mexico is not paying and we are not paying, no significant wall construction will begin.   

Here is dear leader saying promising over and over Mexico will build the wall. 




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Brookings?  That's where Bama's fake daughter that he fantasizes about humping was supposed to have worked.  Of course, it was all made up like everything Bama says.



It's funny that you are so simple. Fictional characters and the fiction of their activities is DIFFERENT from facts and information about political issues.

The political and moral issues facing our nation and impacts on our nation have nothing to do with the personalities or silly slap fights between internet posters on a small forum. It amazes me how some of you conflate the 2.  I don't expect you to have the ability to discern the difference, so carry on as always.

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I think it's funny you continue to use the word "deplorable" when Hillary's use of that word is one of the big reasons she lost.  I'd say you're out of touch like she is but that would attribute to you intelligence that you clearly don't have.
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It's funny that you are so simple. Fictional characters and the fiction of their activities is DIFFERENT from facts and information about political issues.

The political and moral issues facing our nation and impacts on our nation have nothing to do with the personalities or silly slap fights between internet posters on a small forum. It amazes me how some of you conflate the 2.  I don't expect you to have the ability to discern the difference, so carry on as always.




Now I have played "Devils' Advocate" before on a message board. But never did my fictional character even come close to crossing the line of, "Pleasing my daughter with a strap-on & my tongue". 

Dude that is deplorable AF!

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Bring back KPI.  She knew how to quote Brookings!  grrrrr.

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It's funny that you are so simple. Fictional characters and the fiction of their activities is DIFFERENT from facts and information about political issues.

The political and moral issues facing our nation and impacts on our nation have nothing to do with the personalities or silly slap fights between internet posters on a small forum. It amazes me how some of you conflate the 2.  I don't expect you to have the ability to discern the difference, so carry on as always.

It is funny that all three active dems all seem to have an uncanny like for quoting Brookings.  Like some sort of hive mind.   Brrrrrring back KPI!!

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Dense much?

It is a f'n tax on sh1t from mexico.  When Mexico raises their prices we buy from f'n Chinese that make the same product.   Only thing you got to worry about is Avocado's and Tequila's.

1. What products are we currently buying from Mexico because they cost less than comparable products made in China? Seriously...

2. Do you really think China wouldn't raise their prices? haha

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Of course it would take a congressional effort to tax money returning to Mexico.

I believe it would violate international law.

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Awesome hehe. Another angle for turden to consider: the cost of the illegals currently crossing (that hopefully a wall will curtail) to me and you taxpayers is (I'm guessing) WAY more than the possible cost increase of buying mexican stuff. Of course, tequila will continue to be bought regardless of the price. 

haha We're not paying for all the spending (i.e. deficits). When's the last time a cost reduction ever resulted in lower taxes for us?
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRR hahahahaha
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1. What products are we currently buying from Mexico because they cost less than comparable products made in China? Seriously...
I never said products in Mexico were cheaper.  Currently they are likely similar in pricing, as it is a competitive market.  Perhaps it is easier to think about if we talk about actual products.  I am having a hard time if you guys are really just not understanding the concepts, or if you are being dense to try to make a big deal about Trumps wall or something.

Either way.  Here are some products that come from Mexico currently.  Colgate toothpaste, Gillette razors, Vizio TV's, more: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/10-popular-products-in-the-us-you-didnt-know-were-made-in-mexico.html#slide=4

Now lets say we raise impose a tax, let's say 2%, on goods coming from Mexico to the US.  Of course that would take a treaty change, like Nafta, and congress, but still let's say that all happened.  Now Colgate would like to raise their price 2%, but they can't cause they sit on the shelf right next to Crest, which is actually a better toothpaste, that comes from Greensboro NC.  Crest does not have to pay the 2% duty tax, and they are making sh1t pots full of money already.  Crest will not likely raise prices as they are sitting right next to AquaFresh (from the UK).  

Are you seeing how this works? 

2. Do you really think China wouldn't raise their prices? haha
I really don't think they can. TV's for instance.  They are made in Mexico, China, Taiwan, Korea.   China cannot raise unless the Taiwanese and Korean brands raise. 

I believe it would violate international law.
What is this international law of which you speak?  Like something from the UN? or Geneva (I think that is more about war/war crimes/prisoners)?  We certainly tax companies on payments, in and out.  I am not familiar with international law that regulates tax and trade between two countries. 


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It is funny that all three active dems all seem to have an uncanny like for quoting Brookings.  Like some sort of hive mind.   Brrrrrring back KPI!!




I will take Brookings over InfoWars, breitbart, state run media, I mean Fox News, every day of the week. But nice try

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Trump says "We WILL build that wall, if I have to shut down the government"


Wait, what happened to Mexico is gonna pay for it? Did I dream that? Nope, nope. 

Donnie, your jig is up. Those of us who have known about you for 20 years have been laughing at your ass all along, but now even the GOP senators laugh at you. It is THE favorite thing to do over lunch in the Capitol. 

Hey Donnie:

-Mexico is NOT paying for the wall. Never were.
-You are not going to shut down the government. Literally no one is afraid of your threats anymore. Certainly not Lisa Murkowski. You threatened Alaska and she punked you like the bitzch that you are. Certainly not John McCain - LMAO. Did he ram that knife in your guts or what? I have it on tape, watch it back like I'm watching Bama win a national championship. Not Susan Collins, she never has been. Not Lindsey Graham, not Bob Corker. And not Jim Comey. Your silly little "there might be tapes". When will you learn? The crazy child in North Korea fired more missiles yesterday. Just shut up already. Literally NO ONE in government is scared of you or respects you. 

-You are not going to shut down the government. 
-OH, and no funding for your wall. Ask Mexico if they will change their mind.

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1. What products are we currently buying from Mexico because they cost less than comparable products made in China? Seriously...

I never said products in Mexico were cheaper.  ... 
True, however you certainly suggested cost was a major factor in that post - "When Mexico raises their prices we buy from f'n Chinese that make the same product." I was looking for examples of this.

2. Do you really think China wouldn't raise their prices? haha
I really don't think they can. TV's for instance.  They are made in Mexico, China, Taiwan, Korea.   China cannot raise unless the Taiwanese and Korean brands raise. 
They can/will if the Mexicans were putting downward pressure on their prices.

I believe it would violate international law.
What is this international law of which you speak?  Like something from the UN? or Geneva (I think that is more about war/war crimes/prisoners)?  We certainly tax companies on payments, in and out.  I am not familiar with international law that regulates tax and trade between two countries. 
My bad - a similar threat to impound remittances would face legal obstacles.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422744/could-president-trump-really-impound-all-immigrant-payments-mexico-jim-geraghty
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True, however you certainly suggested cost was a major factor in that post - "When Mexico raises their prices we buy from f'n Chinese that make the same product." I was looking for examples of this.
That is why I provided an example.   Toothpaste and TV's.  And a link to many more. 


They can/will if the Mexicans were putting downward pressure on their prices.
Most products coming from multiple countries like the examples provided (toothpaste, TVs).  No single country is holding down prices.  The market price is established by all producers and all consumers.  Mexico is not even a major producer, so this will have no expected impact on prices.


My bad - a similar threat to impound remittances would face legal obstacles.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422744/could-president-trump-really-impound-all-immigrant-payments-mexico-jim-geraghty
That is just normal US regulatory process.  Not 'international' law.

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Wall update - looks like California is digging their high heels in.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/california-suing-trump-over-border-wall-escalating-battle-with-white-house.html
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Wall update - looks like California is digging their high heels in.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/california-suing-trump-over-border-wall-escalating-battle-with-white-house.html

dead link.  What is the basis for the suit?  Is it clear?

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Works for me - try this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/california-suing-trump-over-border-wall-escalating-battle-with-white-house.html

Becerra's latest lawsuit charged that the Trump administration "violated the U.S. Constitution, failed to comply with federal and state environmental laws, and relied on a federal statute that does not authorize the proposed projects." 

"The Trump administration has once again ignored laws it doesn't like in order to resuscitate a campaign talking point to build a wall on our southern border," Becerra said in a statement Wednesday. "President Trump has yet to pivot from candidate Trump to leader of a nation built on the rule of law. That's dangerous." 

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Works for me - try this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/california-suing-trump-over-border-wall-escalating-battle-with-white-house.html

Becerra's latest lawsuit charged that the Trump administration "violated the U.S. Constitution, failed to comply with federal and state environmental laws, and relied on a federal statute that does not authorize the proposed projects." 

"The Trump administration has once again ignored laws it doesn't like in order to resuscitate a campaign talking point to build a wall on our southern border," Becerra said in a statement Wednesday. "President Trump has yet to pivot from candidate Trump to leader of a nation built on the rule of law. That's dangerous." 


hmm interesting.  Walls were built before.  What about those big beautiful border crossings at San Diego.  Were they also built illegally?  Strange approach.

We should seriously consider walling of California. 

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Reminds me of DewyWill

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hmm interesting.  Walls were built before.  What about those big beautiful border crossings at San Diego.  Were they also built illegally?  Strange approach.

We should seriously consider walling of California. 


Let me out first please.
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