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From the NY Times. The truth on "The Wall". What has and hasn't been built. What has and hasn't been funded.
6 of 8 prototypes commissioned by the president have no slats. What, what? Thought concrete wasn't on his mind. 

I edited redundant figures, the full story can be read at:   

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/01/05/us/border-wall.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer


Pictures of prototypes:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/08/upshot/eight-ways-to-build-a-border-wall-prototypes-mexico.html

The federal shutdown hinges on whether the United States should fund a large wall on its border with Mexico. While Trump has described the wall’s progress, not a single mile of an extended wall has been built so far.

UNITED STATES:

NEW MEXICO

TEXAS

CALIF.

ARIZONA


1,954 mi.                 U.S.-Mexico border

1,000 mi.                 Trump’s proposed wall

0 mi.                        Built based on prototypes

654 mi.                     Existing barriers

0 mi.                        New barriers added so far

124 mi.                    Approved new or replacement

40 mi.                      Replacement done or started

14 mi.                      New barriers to start in February

Here’s a look at what has actually been constructed on the U.S.-Mexico border in the past year.

The U.S.-Mexico border is 1,954 miles long...

President Trump has said he wants a 1,000-mile wall made of concrete or steel. He commissioned eight prototypes.

No border walls based on these prototypes have been built or funded by Congress.

Before Mr. Trump, there were 654 miles of a variety of barriers.

Since he took office, no new miles of barriers have been built. Some existing barriers have been replaced.

Congress has approved 124 miles of new and replacement barriers, using designs already in place, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

Of the approved barriers, 40 miles of replacement barriers have been built or started. Officials expect to break ground on an additional 61 miles in 2019.

In February, construction will begin on 14 miles of new barriers, which would be the first extension of the current barriers.




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This is old argument from DNC, mid December.  That we gave Trump money and he has not spent it. 

They prototyped.  Decided on what works in general for the border patrol.  Then they had to actually fit that general concept into actual plan on the site they were construction.  The general concept gets adjusted for the particular area. 

For instance, steel slats are pile driven into the ground.  In some areas top soil will be thin, so only a foot or two, and you would need to weld a higher gauge steel to the bottom to drive into bedrock to support the structure.  Other areas top soil is 100s fo feet thick so they will drive a friction bearing steel 30 feet in.  

That design work is now complete and construction contracts are let and the barriers are going up as we speak.  

A large amount of the border barriers being discussed is replacing borders that have been built in the past that are pretty shabby.  A lot of those old barriers were built using steel the army had left over for matting runways.  

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The border patrol knows what they want in each section.  We are merely trying to give it to them.

The real cries from the Dems are that they are massive open borders and want these illegals on your taxpayer dollars to save their dying and desperate party.

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Some idiot said let them cross the border with their needy offspring in tow and let Everify sort them out.  Very cost-saving initiative there, by another low info
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From the NY Times. The truth on "The Wall".

NYT and truth in the same sentence. Thanks for the morning guffaw

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Disprove it. I've provided my substantiation. I'm an easy target
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Disprove it. I've provided my substantiation. I'm an easy target

Do you even read what you typed before you hit reply!

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Do you even read what you typed before you hit reply!


Through his tears of despair. 

He's such a loser with no staying power.  He's only here to argue and when we don't argue with him he gets weary, as did Dewey before he disappeared. 

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Disprove it. I've provided my substantiation. I'm an easy target


Not really.  You are always on the run and refuse to look at information that disproves what you say.
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What you are seeing here is entrepreneurial spirit. Already this Mexican is sizing up the wall prototypes and figuring out the logistics of setting up an outdoor theater with his new found movie screen.[image]

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Through his tears of despair. 

He's such a loser with no staying power.  He's only here to argue and when we don't argue with him he gets weary, as did Dewey before he disappeared. 

Why only argue and be contrarian.  Why not engage and work on solutions to problems together. 

80% of Americans agree border security is key.  Fine we will add some agents to man the wall.  See, we agree. 

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Securing our border is a critical priority for Texans. I commend President Trump for taking our border crisis seriously & for fighting to deliver on our promises to the American people. I urge my Democrat colleagues to put aside party politics & to prioritize Americans’ safety.



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Dems need to STOP spinning this dangerous and inaccurate narrative. Their contempt for the president is overriding ANY last shreds of common sense when it comes to protecting Americans from the CRISIS at the border.


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From 2017:

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Update on the wall:

President Trump threatened to shut the government down over funding for the wall, which begs the question from a reporter as to why there would be a government shutdown over funding for a wall that Mexico is supposed to pay for.

Good question.

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The American public wants border security.  This has correctly been translated to barriers/fencing/walls.  

This has been the primary ask for border patrol for many years.  The want the fences they have repaired, extended, upgraded where necessary. 

The monies will also purchase additional holding facilitates, additional agents and much technology.  Technology both for the fence itself and for the port of entries. 

Democrats attempt to mislead and deflect when they say the will support 'other' forms of border security.   It has been their approach for more than 40 years.  Sad having to continuously lie.  But they seem to enjoy it.

Now they find themselves exposed and dejected

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Who translated border security into meaning walls?  My understanding is most Americans do not want to spend money on walls.
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Seems like the Border Patrol should know what they need to perform their jobs.  The dems want to keep speaking for the Agents using politics as their soapbox.
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If California doesn't want a southern wall then they should be able to opt out so the racists in Texas can build their 1200 miles of wall quicker


This guy had such promise.

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Don't waste money on walls.  We already did 700 miles of that.  It is better to fund the points of entry where these illegals are crossing.  More agents, more technology, etc. 
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Wall update - looks like California is digging their high heels in.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/20/california-suing-trump-over-border-wall-escalating-battle-with-white-house.html


We should let California opt out

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Why do the libtard, white, male liberals hate those migrant women?  They are used as sex slaves during those illegal border crossings.  We really should secure our southern border, for our safety and the safety of our chillrens.
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They are handed morning after pills by the march organizers when they set out
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Today in “news that is nice to have to confirm things you probably were already assuming without statistical data”: A new study found that people over 65 are the most likely to share fake news. Researchers at NYU and Princeton, published on Wednesday in Science Advancesworked with a group of 3,500 people before and after the 2016 election. Of those 3,500, about half consented to downloading an application that allowed researchers to see public data, like posts and political affiliations. They found that 8.5 percent of users shared fake news, but that those numbers increased in more elderly users.

From the Verge:

Users who identified as conservative were more likely than users who identified as liberal to share fake news: 18 percent of Republicans shared links to fake news sites, compared to less than 4 percent of Democrats. The researchers attributed this finding largely to studies showing that in 2016, fake news overwhelmingly served to promote Trump’s candidacy. But older users skewed the findings: 11 percent of users older than 65 shared a hoax, while just 3 percent of users 18 to 29 did. Facebook users ages 65 and older shared more than twice as many fake news articles than the next-oldest age group of 45 to 65, and nearly seven times as many fake news articles as the youngest age group (18 to 29).


So … call your mom and dad. Call your grandparents. Call your second-grade teacher who hasn’t heard from you since second grade. Say hello. Ask them how they are doing. And while you have them on the line, casually explain to them how to suss out fake news. Or just subtly email them this list.
 
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Older, conservative? Yea, I'm sure this story applies to some of my favorite country-folk on this board. Get your (dumb) minds right and stop sharing conspiracy nonsense. 

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Why do the libtard, white, male liberals hate those migrant women?  They are used as sex slaves during those illegal border crossings.  We really should secure our southern border, for our safety and the safety of our chillrens.



Put down the whiskey bottle, old man. You're sounding more and more deranged every day. I could have sworn that Trump's the one cracking harsh on migrants, so you're just vomiting on yourself with this idiotic post. 

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 The researchers attributed this finding largely to studies showing that in 2016, fake news overwhelmingly served to promote Trump’s candidacy. But older users skewed the findings: 11 percent of users older than 65 shared a hoax, while just 3 percent of users 18 to 29 did. Facebook users ages 65 and older shared more than twice as many fake news articles than the next-oldest age group of 45 to 65, and nearly seven times as many fake news articles as the youngest age group (18 to 29).



The only 2 that I know in this demographic are duaine osborne [went by dewey when he was here] and scott lowry [goes by Fresh], I'm not surprised by your numbers kazoo, they spread lies weekly if not daily, they are both quite elderly.  When old man JoiseyGuy (well north of 80 YO) was here it was much worse, he constantly spread fake news and indyrun, another octogenarian was just as ignorant and irresponsible as JoiseyGuy.  All four of them struggle with the internet all the while, they are sounding warnings while they are played by the internet and fake news.

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Put down the whiskey bottle, old man. You're sounding more and more deranged every day. I could have sworn that Trump's the one cracking harsh on migrants, so you're just vomiting on yourself with this idiotic post. 


Why didn't you answer the question Tennessee?

Why are there so many unsolved murders in Tennessee?
A: There are no dental records and everyone has the same DNA 




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They are handed morning after pills by the march organizers when they set out


that's sexist of them

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Why won't the dems just admit their love for the illegals like their leaders do at times?

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