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spazsdad

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CA has always been looney but our current legislators have gone completely off the left end. Couple that with a Dem super majority and they are passing BS laws faster than a junkie shooting up with free stuff. It's getting so bad you can't keep up with the nonsense.
Gotta love his line about Trump ignoring laws he doesn't like. This from the same people that are pushing sanctuary state status and do everything they can to cater to illegals. Yep, just ignore those laws.

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Let me out first please.


Sorry you had the appetizer and entree, you get to stick around for your just deserts.

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CA has always been looney but our current legislators have gone completely off the left end. Couple that with a Dem super majority and they are passing BS laws faster than a junkie shooting up with free stuff. It's getting so bad you can't keep up with the nonsense. Gotta love his line about Trump ignoring laws he doesn't like. This from the same people that are pushing sanctuary state status and do everything they can to cater to illegals. Yep, just ignore those laws.


Where's your concern for "states rights" when it comes to immigrants? Does it only apply when wanting to keep slaves?

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Sorry you had the appetizer and entree, you get to stick around for your just deserts.


And the resulting intestinal discomfort.

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Where's your concern for "states rights" when it comes to immigrants? Does it only apply when wanting to keep slaves?

Newsflash for the uneducated - States rights only applies within each state's borders. Feds control interstate issues and international borders. 
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How does providing sanctuary for immigrants cross state lines?
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Is slavery a states right issue then?
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How does providing sanctuary for immigrants cross state lines?


Isn't immigration within the purview of the federal government?

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Is slavery a states right issue then?


Not according to the 13th Amendment.

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Fresh isn't too big on the constitution
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Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States.

The amendment was passed after the Civil War started in 1861. Non sequitur. Couldn't affect whether it was a states rights issue.

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Refer to the 10th Amendment.



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Refer to the 10th Amendment.





So I take it that you agree that any states with Sanctuary Cities protecting undocumented immigrants must be left alone by the federal government to do as they wish. Thanks, good to know. 
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So I take it that you agree that any states with Sanctuary Cities protecting undocumented immigrants must be left alone by the federal government to do as they wish. Thanks, good to know. 


Wrong.  You didn't follow the logic.  The 10th Amendment clearly states that any right not enumerated to the Federal Government within the Constitution (as amended) belongs to the states.  Immigration (which the Federal Government oversees as part of its duty to protect its citizens under the Constitution) is under the purview of the Federal Government.  Sanctuary cities are not following the law with regard to immigration so the Federal Government has every right to compel them to do so.

How Fresh got to slavery is beyond me but the 13th Amendment abolished slavery.  Again, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution clearly means that slavery is not a states rights issue.

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How does providing sanctuary for immigrants cross state lines?

Asinine false equivalence. Topic was US-Mexico border.
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From Pablum:

"Not according to the 13th Amendment."

Now it's the 10th. Which, btw, does address his concerns. 

How is slavery different from sanctuary cities? In either case. Human beings being denied their rights and an effort to right the wrong.

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How is slavery different from sanctuary cities? In either case. Human beings being denied their rights and an effort to right the wrong.

You're demonstrating incompetence at thinking things through before you post. Like Dewey did, you wildly fling feces around hoping some stick somewhere.

FTR, illegals are not denied their rights since due process is followed. They've had ample opportunity to right their wrong, however they choose/chose not to pursue it since lawless Dems tell them it isn't necessary.

I expect Fresh sides with Keith Ellison's abhorrent likening of illegals with Jews in Nazi Germany.
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First, illegal immigrants are not US citizens.  They have rights, but not the rights of a US citizen.

Second, the way illegal immigrants become a federal problem is that they end up on Federal welfare, in schools funded largely by Federal funds, in hospitals funded largely by Federal funds.  In other words illegal immigrants are dropped into a system where those illegal immigrants can put their hand into my back pocket and start sucking off funds.

To me, if an area was willing to say they will forgo Federal funds, I would be a lot more open to them keeping their sanctuary approach.  There is still a problem, in that area would have to take reasonable steps to make sure that illegal is not voting, and when that illegal leaves that area, he goes back to his home country. 

Since they will not do either one of the above, sanctuary cities are disliked by most of America.

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Fresh said.............
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 Human beings being denied their rights and an effort to right the wrong.



I'm with you, Fresh, on this one.........

Give 'em their right to be deported............


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First, illegal immigrants are not US citizens. (true, however Libs view them as undocumented US citizens) They have rights, but not the rights of a US citizen. (Please clarify since they basically have same rights/protections in our legal system.)

Second, the way illegal immigrants become a federal problem is that they end up on Federal welfare (not directly), in schools funded largely by Federal funds (wrong, mainly state/local), in hospitals funded largely by Federal funds (varies).  In other words illegal immigrants are dropped into a system where those illegal immigrants can put their hand into my back pocket and start sucking off funds. (true)

To me, if an area was willing to say they will forgo Federal funds, I would be a lot more open to them keeping their sanctuary approach.  There is still a problem, in that area would have to take reasonable steps to make sure that illegal is not voting, and when that illegal leaves that area, he goes back to his home country. 

Since they will not do either one of the above, sanctuary cities are disliked by most of America.

Sounds like you're okay with sanctuary cities and states as long as their illegals aren't impacting legal residents outside their jurisdiction. I can respect that.
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Sounds like you're okay with sanctuary cities and states as long as their illegals aren't impacting legal residents outside their jurisdiction. I can respect that.

The left can try to "redefine" illegal immigrants as undocumented US citizens.  It shows a distinct misunderstanding of how law works in the US, but that is fine.  If they really want to get things changed they need to get it through congress.  Odd judge redefinition will eventually be unwound just like odummers EO's.

Rights that illegal aliens do not enjoy: 
- Right to bear arms (2nd amendment).
- Right to not get deported.  Natural born citizens cannot have their right to citizenship revoked.  Naturalized citizens it is very difficult to denaturalize them.  It does happen but is effectively so rare that it is like it does not happen.


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Sounds like you're okay with sanctuary cities and states as long as their illegals aren't impacting legal residents outside their jurisdiction. I can respect that.

Yeah, still sceptic it can be done in a way that they are not basically impacting everyone around anyway.  But still if they would at least try a touch, they would find me being a lot more open to working with them on the other issues around illegal immigration.

Obama's eduction budget was $69 Billion.  In 2009 we jammed that up to $97B to keep from laying off any teachers.  No one did anything like that for me in the 09 timeframe, left to fend for myself and pay for this crap on top.

Of course most of that money goes to Pell grant loans.  But there are sizable chunks ~15B that go to school districts with sizable poor populations. (ESEA Title 1) 

Ok, so maybe not as much "federal", but that same complaint flows down to the state level, at least here in Washington.  Here in Washington almost all funding comes from the state.  Poor areas drain from higher tax producing areas.  So the original issue remains. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/01/14/federal-education-funding-where-does-the-money-go


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Yeah, still sceptic it can be done in a way that they are not basically impacting everyone around anyway.  But still if they would at least try a touch, they would find me being a lot more open to working with them on the other issues around illegal immigration.

Obama's eduction budget was $69 Billion.  In 2009 we jammed that up to $97B to keep from laying off any teachers.  No one did anything like that for me in the 09 timeframe, left to fend for myself and pay for this crap on top.
That was a 1-year spike from the stimulus bill. Spending went back on regular trajectory afterward.

Of course most of that money goes to Pell grant loans.  But there are sizable chunks ~15B that go to school districts with sizable poor populations. (ESEA Title 1) 
Illegals, including DACA recipients are not eligible for federal aid (e.g. Pell grants, loans).

Ok, so maybe not as much "federal", but that same complaint flows down to the state level, at least here in Washington.  Here in Washington almost all funding comes from the state.  Poor areas drain from higher tax producing areas.  So the original issue remains. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/01/14/federal-education-funding-where-does-the-money-go

Obviously the original issue can remain for cities and other local jurisdictions in non-sanctuary states because they don't meet your qualifications.

Thanks for the link.
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LG to raise prices on washers and dryers due to the Trump Tarrif, anywhere from 15-20%.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/24/news/companies/lg-raising-prices-washing-machine-tariff/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom

Who's paying for the wall?

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Sounds like we need a wall on the border, and around the borders of sanctuary states. California could then just tear down any wall on their southern border, and enjoy all that Mexico has to offer.
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If California doesn't want a southern wall then they should be able to opt out so the racists in Texas can build their 1200 miles of wall quicker
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Heh Heh
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California gets a wall too.  Nobody getting left out.
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Oh, California gets a wall all right, a wall all the way around it, and checkpoints to keep all the illegals they are harboring from escaping the Hell hole they are constructing and migrating into the normal states that have jobs, and fiscal responsibility. It will be like the mental wards, and PD in major cities chartering buses and dumping the garbage 100 miles out of their county on unsuspecting small communities. Kind of like when Obama started dumping plane loads of illegal aliens into small communities far removed from the border. Thanks Socialist. Ya'll suck. You attempt to destroy and fracture the social structure of our nation in so many different ways, it's hard to keep track of all the F'd up things you are capable of. But, don't worry, we will fix this sh3t storm you started. And law and order will be maintained, despite your seemingly unbridled efforts against us. You see we control more land mass, more states, more local governments, and more weapons. You are the sheep that will be devoured by the very wolves you allowed into your states. We don't play that game. Enjoy the repercussions of your actions. We will be watching, and smiling at your fall.
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