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TheNarrator

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Also keep in mind that Trump hates Obama--partly because Obama humiliated him at a correspondent's dinner a few years ago and partly because he's a racist


Didn't get past this asinine statement

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He needs a name change, it worked for duaine. 
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Most every arms-control and Middle East expert in the West thinks it is a stupid move--but I'm sure your view is more valid! The aim is to prevent Iran from building nukes. There was an accord that prevented them from doing just that--an accord that all agree they were in compliance with. You violate the accord, as Trump just did, and you free up Iran to build nukes. So in that sense it's pretty stupid--and it isolates us, just as the Bushies mostly isolated us with their Iraq invasion. All that leaves is war, should Iran decide to resume its nuke program. Right-wingers, the neocons, always like to swing our military dick around, but they seldom have any real strategy. We saw that with the Bushies in Iraq--military dick swinging that turned into a $3 Trillion waste of money, time, and many, many lives--and very few allies joined us in the Iraq effort because they did not agree with it, and why should they have: it was an invasion built around lies. And Trump lied yesterday--he implied that Iran was violating the accord. Total lie. He said Iran was a threat to America--the same nonsense we heard from Bush about Iraq. 

Nah. Let's go with what the French say to do.  
That would have gone well.  Zeeeeiiggg Heil. 
Better yet, why not skip all that and just channel Nevel Chamberlin directly. 

Maybe if you had some sources for these vaunted middle east experts.  I could read a bit on them.  See what they said about the ME in the past, see how much they were getting right.

I don't know too much about your experts.  I do know this. 

Trump said ISIS would be out of Iraq in a year.  Everyone said he was nuckin futts.  Only took 6 months and ISIS was not just out of Iraq.  They were very very decimated.  Not saying that other terrorist groups and that terrorism and the ME is still not a wreck.  I am saying ISIS learned a super valuable lesson.  Someone like Trump and Mattis tells you that they are going to surround you and kill every fu*kin one of you.  Then they do it 2 or 3 times.  Might be time to start to believe them and adjust accordingly.  ISIS lost like 50% of their fighters by keeping them in towns, allowing Iraq+US forces to surround them and then seeing those forces killed off.

Same in Korea.  No way anyone thought what has been accomplished could be accomplished on this timeframe.  Even the most rabid of antitrumpers are floored by what he has accomplished in Korea.  Not done yet, of course.  But China seems to be applying the right pressure, and Nkor seems to be getting the message very loud and clear.

Back in the Middle East.  Trump has fully rewritten the alliance structure in the ME.  He has firm commitments from the Saudi's in ways we have never seen.  They are actually putting spine and force behind their words.  There is a nice anti Iran coalition forming.  Syria remains definitely a wild card and keeps the wickets all sticky.  But Trump has done a good job of making sure the combatants in Syria have their hands completely full with each other.  So they are no longer able to link up the entirety of the rest of the middle east to Syria.  That has allowed the rest of the ME to focus on Yemin, Hezbollah in Palestine and Iran.    This segmentation has allowed the US to get into a position to pressure Iran, where Iran basically stands alone.  They are clinging desperately to Syria, and Hezbollah, but they lines between them are largely cut, and those efforts/armies must operate completely disconnected.  

Iran itself finds it with more dissent in the country than ever before.  Honestly if we had done all this before the Turkey uprising it would have been better, but Obama was just not a strong person.
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News just today.  
Saudis Intercept missiles over Riyadh.   
Saudis announces they will seek Nukes if Iran does.

You are already seeing the ratcheting up of pressure, and isolation of Iran start to play out.
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I think down the road Iran and Trump will each agree to make some concessions to improve the agreement, Trump and the US will sign back on thus getting the Trump name included on the deal, and the President will take one more step towards the Nobel Peace prize.  That's my prediction as of today.
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And he's far from alone in his assessment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-cia-chief-john-brennan-084902381.html

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uwApoligist

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
I think down the road North Korea and Trump will each agree to make some concessions to improve the agreement, Trump and the US will sign back on thus getting the Trump name included on the deal, and the President will take one more step towards the Nobel Peace prize.  That's my prediction as of today.

You mean Iran?  I don't think we have any real agreement with NKor yet.

Eventually yes, there will be a new agreement with Iran.  But I think Trump is willing to play quite a bit of smash ball to get an agreement that has teeth and means something for America.  ie. real inspections, real signs of efforts to join the international community (stop underhanded terrorist operations).  Until that is on the table Iran is likely to see a fairly hard push for internally driven regime change.
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Yes, Iran.  Thanks. 
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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Yes, Iran.  Thanks. 

Seriously.  Don't stay up so late.  It is a mess, and then you don't get going in the morning.  Thats gotta be bad for your health at your extreme age.
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What was the first post time stamp Dewey? We had a survey question about your hour of rising.

Next poll question.

Did Dewy rise damp, or both damp and Sh!t the sheets?

Responses due before 10 AM Pacific Time.

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It just doesn't get any better in the propaganda world. CSpan is airing a debate in the British House of Commons, hating on Trump for busting up the Obama Iranian deal. This gets better and better. It's even more predictable than the NPR, and PBS combined.
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Those Brits must have some strong legs. Every thirty seconds someone new is recognized to speak, and they politely stand then sit. Compliant group, and I have yet to see a real Filipino style beat down in their house of commons.
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Oh, I get it now, by standing, they are asking permission to speak their piece. Very humble, sign of obedience. I suppose many never get a say.
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I kind of like the b!tchy style of the Brits. They are all whining, and at the same time, semi insulting each other within a set of rules. I want to ship Maxine Waters, and Sheila Jackson Lee over there. They would look good sitting on their hands in fear of proving their ignorance. For once they would STFU.
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I like that you come in and slay dewey after he has gone to bed.
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Who knew that he went night night by 7 PM? All the old folks I ever knew went to bed at dark, but then they were awake at 3-4 AM watching Pat Robertson, or infomercials selling the newest cleaning products. Cleaning products might be of interest to Dewey in the morning.
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I like that you come in and slay dewey after he has gone to bed.


I've always admired that trait also.  duaine is staying longer and longer as drumpf keep winning, duaine gets more salty 


Scotty was here 6A-10P, during his reign, he logged some hours

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Iran finds itself in an extremely weak position all of the sudden.  The Israelis are already taking it to them, and will have little trouble causing significant damage.   

The Saudi's and it's very strong ME coalition, were greatly strengthened when post Trumps meetings in Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia purged a powerful anti-American Sunni leadership from their government.  I noted that purge here, and just how significant that purge was.  The Sunni ME coalition led by Saudi's has learned that it can fight and take it to the militant Shia's led by Iran.

You already have a situation where Israeli fighter jets are attacking Iran in Syria at the same exact time the Saudi forces are attacking Iran forces in Yemen.  Only a slight escalation from there to Saudi and Isreali's attacking Iran in joint airstrikes.

In other Iran is definitely finding itself screwed.
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Saudi Arabia is a joke. It has been funding a radical branch of Islam for decades; the royal family is completely corrupt (has been for all of its existence) and far more conservative than Iran. Where did the 9/11 terrorists come from? Iran? Uh, try Saudi Arabia. We're pals with SA only because it has oil and buys a ton of U.S. military hardware--meaning it's the usual foreign policy hypocrisy. Same reason Trump complains about Iran but not Russia or China. Oh, and the inspection provisions in the Iran nuke accord are in fact /very tough/. Almost everything Trump said in his little speech was a lie--FACT. It reeked of the disinformation that the Bushies put out to justify our invasion of Iraq--a war started under false pretenses. That accord was worked on by various experts from several countries for several years--only to have our orange-haired, dishonest, moronic prez come along and spew lies about it--just as he did about the ACA: "Oh, it's the most horrible, terrible, disastrous bill/agreement ever, blah, blah, blah. Trump is a sinister meathead. 

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Saudi Arabia is a joke. It has been funding a radical branch of Islam for decades; the royal family is completely corrupt (has been for all of its existence) and far more conservative than Iran. Where did the 9/11 terrorists come from? Iran? Uh, try Saudi Arabia. We're pals with SA only because it has oil and buys a ton of U.S. military hardware--meaning it's the usual foreign policy hypocrisy. Same reason Trump complains about Iran but not Russia or China. Oh, and the inspection provisions in the Iran nuke accord are in fact /very tough/. Almost everything Trump said in his little speech was a lie--FACT. It reeked of the disinformation that the Bushies put out to justify our invasion of Iraq--a war started under false pretenses. That accord was worked on by various experts from several countries for several years--only to have our orange-haired, dishonest, moronic prez come along and spew lies about it--just as he did about the ACA: "Oh, it's the most horrible, terrible, disastrous bill/agreement ever, blah, blah, blah. Trump is a sinister meathead. 


You're such a little girl.  All emotion, no rational thought.  Try loosening your training bra - it's making you an emo.

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Saudi's have certainly had to many extremists in their ranks.  You did see they purged a large number of senior leadership that were extremists or ties to extremeists.  Clearly have signaled they are ready to take a more modern/moderate approach to leadership in the ME.

Clearly contrast that to Asad/Iran.  They burn your flag.  Chant death to your citizens.  Odd that you like them so much.  Why would it not just shortcut the process if you just went out and kys.
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You're such a little girl.  All emotion, no rational thought.  Try loosening your training bra - it's making you an emo.

Do you actually read his drivel?

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It's too emotional for me
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The house of Saud is under new ownership, and the Wahabbis are going underground to avoid being purged. There is no rule of law to restrain leadership in Saudi society. They put the checks in the mail to maintain political power by means of oil revenue, and do what they want. At this moment in time, the new leadership want's to continue selling oil to the EU, have America protect the Persian Gulf, and oil shipments to the EU, continue purchasing US military hardware, kill Shias wherever they find them thereby preventing another Persian empire that Iran desires, and hope the price of oil rises, so that their central bank doesn't go in the red putting checks in the mail in order to stop political dissent.

Now that's a run on sentence my 9th grade English teacher would give me the evil eye of death for.

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The Saudis are corrupt.............If anyone doubts that, they're being naive...........They never stand alone, they'll always team-up with whoever has the strength at the time............

However, Trump must deal with 'em...........Trump better get hold of our CIA and make sure he controls those bums..........Then deal with the Saudis............
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Iran is an enemy of America and other nations. What do you do to an enemy? You strike first, fast and with all effort. This isn't MMA where submissions are the norm, as managed by the ref. This snake, Iran, must have its head cut off and, if the remains show an embedded life, those are chopped off, too. Simplified: Kill as many of the leaders as possible by any and all means necessary.

We are playing games with bastards. You do not him-haw around.

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I like our new tough, take no prisoners attitude on Misc.  Freshy seems to be taking a long needed break.  Dewiey barely pontificating at all.  Trump winning at every turn.
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The libs are smart enough to keep quiet when Republicans are overseeing things and things are going well.
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I like our new tough, take no prisoners attitude on Misc.  Freshy seems to be taking a long needed break.  Dewiey barely pontificating at all.  Trump winning at every turn.


#WINNING at every turn, they are left with kazoo who has such venom in her veins that the spittle is pure gold.  duaine relegated to 9 year old toothless obamacare talk, minus the mandate #FAILING. 

  • Wall going up in Texas
  • Iran has been neutered
  • Muh Mueller plodding along
  • UE WAY DOWN 
  • ISIS beheadings way down, lengthening life spans worldwide
  • NK released prisoners  
  • CNN 24/7 pornstar channel, finally slacking off on 'missing jet airliner' coverage

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The Iran payments stunk from the start.  The last payments in cash can be explained if that cash actually went to Obama and folks.  Which would also explain why Kerrry is willing to get charged with treason and logan act violations as he scrambles around the world trying to cover their tracks.

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