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If a treaty requires a 2/3rd vote of the Senate to be ratified (legally binding), wouldn't this indicate that ultimately, regardless of who negotiates a treaty, and who might offer the terms and descriptions of said treaty, that in the end it is the Congress that either approves or dismisses the treaty being considered? The Legislative branch is tasked by the Constitution to create laws, the Executive branch CANNOT make laws, despite their self expressed strong desire to bypass Congress, and become some sort of Monarchy. It sounds like a Roman Emperor disputing with the Senate about who controls Rome.
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The Iranians have it wrong.  Treaties requires the advise and consent of 2/3 of the Senate.

The POTUS doesn't ratify bumpus when it comes to treaties.  He negotiates, but it can't become a treaty unless the Senate approves.


My bad, I shoulda been clearer. And granted, it's a nuanced point, but it still seems to be troubling that the letter may have misstated the Constitutional requirements.

It appears that the actual Constitutional requirement is that:

"The President negotiates and ultimately ratifies treaties for the United States (2001 Congressional Research Service Report), and the Senate then takes up a 'resolution of ratification' that must be passed by a 2/3 majority vote."

I copied that carefully from the article. If this info is incorrect, I'd be surprised.  

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Zarif won't need an iota of nuance to understand how America works after Congress vetoes Obama's nuclear Iran push. Lol
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Dear bluedog,

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Here, yet again, is the rub.  The POTUS seems like he will call this some sort of executive decision, thereby bypassing Congress.  I don't know how he can justify that.

That's why the dudes sending the letter did it, to remind the POTUS (I think more than Iran) that leaving them out will have the effect of having it last until he leaves office.

I don't understand how something this significant can not be termed a treaty.  Also, I thought the Congress had to lift the sanctions, but I may be wrong on that also.
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Don't buy into Zarif's propaganda. He's a snake.

The United States is not bound by agreements made by the President unless they are ratified by Congress.

Here's a good article that explains, using Nixon's promise to defend South Vietnam as an example.

Agreements need approval to prevent a loose cannon in the White House fron giving away the store. Iran should understand that I'm sure they already do, but that won't stop Zarif's (and Obama's) posturing.

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/03/09/the-senators-are-right-on-iran/

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Here's an incredible but true story about Ted Kennedy, the Soviet Union, and the 1984 elections.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

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Here is media matters defending Pelosi's visit to Assad in 2007.



http://mythopedia.mediamatters.org/myths/nancy-pelosi-violated-the-logan-act

Should we talk about the Democrat senators who went to Iraq in 2002?

Obama supporters might need to bone up on their party's history.

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Can't help but wonder, with Obama capitulating on Iran's nuclear program, where are the environmentalists?


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Real, please excuse my indulgence, but, I couldn't help but post this after I saw it.......Funniest thing I've read in awhile......


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I am trying very hard not to get my hopes up but dang it is hard. Here is the dream scenario. 

1. Bibi loses big. 

2. President Obama invites the new Israeli PM to the White House to congratulate him/her and discuss Iran and other issues. 

3. Republican heads simultaneously explode.

Please, please, please, please.........

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Well, since the Israelis know that Iran has vowed to wipe them from the face of the earth I wouldn't count on Bibi losing
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That is hilarious!

Thanks for sharing this weeks edition of "Psycho Wet Dreams"

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bluedog, I don't know if you are still playing 'with the mouse'.  I hope that's all it is, I hope you haven't totally lost it.

 I know if spazsdad, bhblue or woody started talking [writing] like you, I would vote to have them committed, because I 'know' them.  We think you and dewy 'know' better than some of the stuff you actually write.  We think you can't actually believe most of what you write.

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Real, please excuse my indulgence, but, I couldn't help but post this after I saw it.......Funniest thing I've read in awhile......


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I am trying very hard not to get my hopes up but dang it is hard. Here is the dream scenario. 

1. Bibi loses big. 

2. President Obama invites the new Israeli PM to the White House to congratulate him/her and discuss Iran and other issues. 

3. Republican heads simultaneously explode.

Please, please, please, please.........






Let's hope that the Israeli electorate is smarter than the [Gruber described]  stupid American voters.  I'm sure that result would bring dinger, dietcoke, masare and dewy back out however.  We'd probably hear more from that whining joiseyguy also

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Obama has said that no deal is better than a bad deal. Now he's saying no deal will lead to war. So is war better than a bad deal? Has he become a hawk on Iran?
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I'm old enough to remember when Democrats justified bashing Bush as a war-time President by quoting Teddy Roosevelt:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

But when the tables are turned, the Democrat hypocrites mount their cute little soapbox and demand fealty to the Commander, for a brief time, before they shamble off into obscurity.


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Here are 7 times Democrats advised US enemies to oppose the President

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/10/7-times-democrats-advised-americas-enemies-to-oppose-the-president/

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The pro-nuclear Iran crowd - the vast majority being Obamites, Democrats, and/or liberals - went bonkers all day yesterday and into the night calling the 47 Reoublican Senators who sent a letter to Iran all sorts of nasty names, like "traitors" and such. On and on they screamed from their soapboxes about undermining Obama and risking nuclear war.

This morning, John Kerry himself confirmed the senator's letter was in fact *correct* - any deal with Iran would be non-binding.

Hahahaha! You just can't make this stuff up!

On the flip side, Kerry's statement apparently signals that Obama won't seek Congressional approval, which exposes this entire negotiation as nothing more than a ploy by Obama to give Iran more time to pursue their nuclear ambitions, and more financial freedom to do so.

Tsk tsk. What a legacy this will be for Obama's disastrous foreign policy.

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Tom Cotton's letter to Iran was a big mistake... so naturally Bobby Jindal and Rick Perry want in!
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Says who?  You?  Other apologists?  Electing obama was a bigger mistake, he should be impeached.  We have no leaders left in this country as we have discussed.  Make up your mind bluedog, you have recently said you wanted the republicans to stand up and do their due diligence for which they were elected.  Opposing this president and his sorry policies are exactly why they were sent to Washington.   How can an American president be so polar opposite of what the majority of Americans want in so many arenas?
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That time Obama undercut Bush's negotiations with Iran over their nuclear program...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/how-barack-obama-undercut-bush-administrations-nuclear-negotiations-with-iran.php


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That time Obama undercut Bush's negotiations with Iran over their nuclear program...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/how-barack-obama-undercut-bush-administrations-nuclear-negotiations-with-iran.php



Yeah, when obama violated the Logan Act. Law aren't for obama, holder or clintons.

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..........he should be impeached.


I've agreed with this before, and still do.....So, where is the attempt to impeach?.....I haven't seen it, Real!!

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Make up your mind bluedog, you have recently said you wanted the republicans to stand up and do their due diligence for which they were elected.  Opposing this president and his sorry policies are exactly why they were sent to Washington.


Obamacare, immigration, de-funding Homeland Security??????.....Is your head in the sand, Real?.......Giving a platform to speak in our Congress to a warmongering Zionist leader who doesn't even have the backing of the people of his nation is standing up, Real?.......Sending a letter to the Government of Iran is standing up?.....It's misguided child play, Real.....That's what it is!



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Kerry: "We are not negotiating a legally binding plan" with Iran.

Two questions:

1) Then what are you doing?

2) If it's not binding, what's to prevent Tehran from breaking the agreement?

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bluedog, just to let you know, I had a response.  It disappeared into cyberspace and this subject is starting to bore me.  What will happen, will happen.  I'm not going to prevent it. C-ya on this one.  I do quite a bit of twitter and see plenty of Jew haters and anyone and everyone siding against Isreal.  If I come back to this thread someone tell me to STFU.
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I'll miss you.....
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Is the thinking then that Iran will become less adventurous with their military after they have the bomb? Who honestly believes that will happen?

Given that, what choice remains?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/war-with-iran-is-probably-our-best-option/2015/03/13/fb112eb0-c725-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html?postshare=2341426343934914

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Real and Bluedog - FUBAR !!  Trying to make sense out of utter chaos is like a dog chasing his tail. Unfortunately, some will turn to extremes or absolutes that are generalities that do not meet the reality of the specific.  So it goes.  The son of one of my former students killed himself and his entire beautiful family because "There is too much evil in the world".  It is difficult to remain rational amid chaos that denies easy answers.      
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Joisey, what I hope to accomplish is to advocate to stop the killing.......[smile]
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