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ForeverInBlue

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Steel man, I'm not sure what your question is, but here is a pretty solid primer (and it's brief) on Iran's nuclear program and their "breakout" capability (the time it takes to go from where they are now to having an actual nuclear weapon.)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414741/how-obama-giving-iran-nuclear-arsenal-robert-zubrin?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=54f6407615bb3b63ce000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Ps - dirty bombs are always a concern, but pale compared to what we'll see from Iran if they continue their current progress toward becoming a nuclear state. The world simply can not condone a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. As I read somewhere the other day, the only winner in that scenario is the guy in Pakistan who sells Saudi Arabia and a Turkey plans for a nuclear bomb the day after Obama's proposed deal is signed.

PPS - I agree, Iran will cheat on the agreement, get caught, throw out the inspectors, then what? Americans will elect a republican who will have to clean up the mess, at the risk of it going nuclear. How is this a preferred result? It's not.

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Make up ya'lls mind......

Which is it?.....Will Iran blow-up the world, or, will the Republicans stop Iran after they get nuclear weapons because of Obama's agreement?....I'm assuming both of you slept at a Holiday Inn Express every night last week.....


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The world simply can not condone a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.


You must mean America and Netanhayu, not "the world"......I don't see the rush of other countries saying this......



Are you counting on these Republicans to clean up the mess?

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Conservative lawmakers who humiliated Boehner last week by voting down a three-week spending bill he proposed did not speak up in the private meeting to dissent or ask questions, people present said.

Afterward, they said they were disappointed but had no more moves to make.

"I don't know that there is one," said Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. "This is the signal of capitulation."




There's no fight in 'em.....

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"I believe this is a sad day for America," said Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., one of the hardliners. "If we're not going to fight now, when are we going to fight?"



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Hard to say. Hopefully there'll be a republican president who will sidetrack the Iran program before they get a bomb. Otherwise it gon be fugly.


You don't see other countries opposed to Iran's nuclear program? Do you live in a bubble? Other than Obama, what countries want Iran to go nuclear? Not one, that I've heard of.

And no, no one is counting on Boehner for much of anything. But he won't be part of the next administration.

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Some Blacks and other anti-semites are proud of today's spectacle by barack the muslim. Hammer told us all along, even though LMSS hung him on the cross
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Real - I understand - what you write (from your perspective) is absolute truth and wisdom.  What others write, especially if it disagrees with your "wisdom", is "SPIN".  It took me a while to figure that out - about ten seconds - but now I understand. [rofl]     [wave]


Joisey, you have a Real good understanding, IMO!    [wink] 

dude, don't make me tell your secret. You are as senile all of a sudden as joisey? Your meds are covered at obama's VA.

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Netanyahu sure did make an impassioned plea for Americans to agree to a war with Iran......He's quite a speech-giver.....Reminds me of Obama......And, Bush, Sr. when he said, "read my lips, no new taxes"......Not a lot of truth when any one of them speak.......

I find Joisey to be quite observant........
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Netanyahu speaks for weaklings
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Netanyahu sure did make an impassioned plea for Americans to agree to a war with Iran......He's quite a speech-giver.....Reminds me of Obama......And, Bush, Sr. when he said, "read my lips, no new taxes"......Not a lot of truth when any one of them speak.......

I find Joisey to be quite observant........


Netanyahu made no case whatsoever for Americans or anyone else to go to war with Iran.

You are lying. Flat out shameless lie.


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WaPo Editorial Board says Obama needs to man up and directly address the concerns of Congress, the Editorial Board itself, and the same concerns expressed by Netanyahu today. No they weren't new. They've simply never been addressed. Time for that to change.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-needs-real-answers-to-netanyahus-arguments/2015/03/03/9cd8f760-c1d0-11e4-9ec2-b418f57a4a99_story.html?postshare=7331425439177001

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FIB, take off your nose-ring......[rolleyes]

People like yourself, and Netanyahu, are who I don't wanna see get a nuclear weapon.....Although, Netanyahu already has 'em......Hopefully, he'll be defeated in the election....Now, as for lies?.......You are spreading his! 

Read and research if you dare, to learn things you don't know.....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/28/zionisms-last-card/



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Lol wut?

Now about that "impassioned plea netanyahu made for Americans to go to war with Iran"... that was a lie, right? You just fabricated that because what he actually said didn't match up with the narrative you were spoon fed by J street and Obama, aka your puppet masters. You can admit it, and actually should, considering we already know what's up. And maybe next time you're being force fed by the LWNJs, don't swallow quite so hard. Lmao!

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Heh Heh, just about sprayed Dr. Pepper all over the keyboard on that one..
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FIB, take off your nose-ring......[rolleyes]

People like yourself, and Netanyahu, are who I don't wanna see get a nuclear weapon.....Although, Netanyahu already has 'em......Hopefully, he'll be defeated in the election....Now, as for lies?.......You are spreading his! 

Read and research if you dare, to learn things you don't know.....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/28/zionisms-last-card/




Right after you take off your tinfoil hat. Lol
" This, about a country which does not possess nuclear weapons and doesn’t want them"
That's a good one. Iran doesn't want nuclear weapons. I almost spit up my 1835 whiskey.

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You got some 1835 on your trip did you?  That Rebecca Creek from bhblue is going down nicely
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FIB, take off your nose-ring......[rolleyes]

People like yourself, and Netanyahu, are who I don't wanna see get a nuclear weapon.....Although, Netanyahu already has 'em......Hopefully, he'll be defeated in the election....Now, as for lies?.......You are spreading his! 

Read and research if you dare, to learn things you don't know.....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/11/28/zionisms-last-card/





From your article. 

In any event, if there was a Nobel Prize for Nonsense, it would have to be awarded to Netanyahu. He’s light years ahead of any other contender. If Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda chief, was still alive, I imagine he’d say in private, “Netanyahu makes me look like an amateur.”
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Netanyahu is irresponsible and has been wrong for at least 20 years....


http://theweek.com/articles/542072/sky-isnt-falling-benjamin-netanyahu-credibility-iranian-threat
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And you're a mentally unstable basement-dweller.  Netanyahu has every reason to be nervous.  I suppose you think the CIA forced the mullahs of Iran to declare their vow to wipe Israel off the map?  You must wish for the return of Hitler.
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Does that mean still no BBQ invite for me?
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At the risk of destroying the LWNJ talking points, Israel is hardly the only ME country worried about Iran going nuclear.

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31763589

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47 GOP Senators just today sent an open letter to "Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran" warning them against making any agreement with President Obama. They wanted to warn the Iranians that any agreement made could be reversed by the next president "with the stroke of a pen". Interestingly, Bob Corker (Chair of Foreign Relations), Thad Cochran (Chair of Appropriations), and Dan Coats (Intelligence Committee) declined to sign the letter.
IMO this is unacceptable. I imagine a future where our Congressional delegates decide that they will conduct foreign policy on their own. Individual Congressional agendas and groups will just send out letters to foreign governments lobbying for whatever agenda they want promoted. That is anarchy and IMO is a big problem. Disagreeing with Obama's policies/decisions/agenda is fine. Conducting foreign policy directly from the Senate by a minority is debatebly treason.

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Pelosi met with Assad back in 2007 because she was unhappy with Bush.

However, I agree this is coloring outside the lines.  You keep these squabbles in the family.
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Pelosi met with Assad back in 2007 because she was unhappy with Bush.

However, I agree this is coloring outside the lines.  You keep these squabbles in the family.


Good point on Pelosi. Can't wait until she's history. But I would differentiate between meeting with foreign power-players (or inviting them to speak to Congress) from sending a foreign country a signed document stating that they should not agree to any proposal from our current President. To me, that is flat out telling them that our political system doesn't work, and that our political system should not be respected. 

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Like I said, keep the squabbles in the family.  You can bloody each other's noses in the family, but anyone from the outside that attacks the family gets the beatdown from the whole family.

I suspect that the Iranians with a brain understand that the POTUS can not unilaterally make lasting policy for the country.  That policy lasts as long as he's POTUS.  If they want a treaty, that lasts beyond the current occupant of the WH, then it has to go through Congress.

I would say it's at their own peril to not understand the above.  Not sure some lawmakers here need to go out of their way to teach civics to our adversaries.  I'm not really sure what they hoped to gain from it.
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Like I said, keep the squabbles in the family.  You can bloody each other's noses in the family, but anyone from the outside that attacks the family gets the beatdown from the whole family.

I suspect that the Iranians with a brain understand that the POTUS can not unilaterally make lasting policy for the country.  That policy lasts as long as he's POTUS.  If they want a treaty, that lasts beyond the current occupant of the WH, then it has to go through Congress.

I would say it's at their own peril to not understand the above.  Not sure some lawmakers here need to go out of their way to teach civics to our adversaries.  I'm not really sure what they hoped to gain from it.


Agreed, I think it is a given that the group that sent this didn't think for a second that they needed to 'school' Iran on how our system works.  IMO it was a clear message sent that was intended to say that they don't agree with Obama, and don't support him.  We already knew that. I suppose the reality has set in to them that they won the midterm elections, and are unable to do squat, so they threw a tantrum and 'showed Obama what they thought of him". Great. Anyway, I find it pretty outrageous. What will happen if everyone in Congress decides it is open season to send official statements to foreign leaders, telling them to ignore the current president?   

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I think it was actually a reminder to the POTUS that he is not Ruler and King, because he hasn't ever really grasped that concept.  IOW, they were reminding the POTUS that there is a Congress, and they have a role.
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I think it was actually a reminder to the POTUS that he is not Ruler and King, because he hasn't ever really grasped that concept.  IOW, they were reminding the POTUS that there is a Congress, and they have a role.


I suppose. I wish they had 'reminded' him by exercising their new-found majority to pass legislation they favor, or to deny him things that he is trying to achieve. IMO that seems like a better way to remind him than to do what they did.

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Another unfortunate angle to this. Senator Cotton, who wrote the letter to Iran, incorrectly stated the Constitutional provision that he tried to invoke.  The Iranian Foreign Minister (Mr. Zarif) had to educate him on it...

 [Cotton appears to have slightly flubbed the wording on treaty ratification, however — according to a 2001 Congressional Research Service Report, "it is the President who negotiates and ultimately ratifies treaties for the United States." (Not Congress, as Cotton had declared in his letter)

The Constitution does stipulate that the Senate plays a role in that process, however, by taking up a "resolution of ratification" that must pass with a two-thirds majority.

Zarif also claimed the GOP senators were ignorant of their own Constitution.

 "This proves that [the senators] are not only strangers to the norms of international rights and regulations, but they also are not familiar with the intricate details of their own Constitution regarding the authority of the President of the United States in executing foreign policy," he said.]

 


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The Iranians have it wrong.  Treaties requires the advise and consent of 2/3 of the Senate.

The POTUS doesn't ratify bumpus when it comes to treaties.  He negotiates, but it can't become a treaty unless the Senate approves.
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maybe early has been reading too many Iranian newspapers along with bluedog.
 #ISISconverts

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