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Dewey

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In another thread, LMUfan commented that most politicians "do what is necessary to get reelected, regardless of any devastating consequences".  While there is significant truth to his comments, I believe they're a bit too strong in their criticism of our elected officials and may not always be such a bad stance to take.

You may remember when Senator McCain was for immigration reform that included some form of amnesty.  Well, he has long since backed off of that position and there's a large segment in this Country that believes this to be an example of "doing whatever is necessary to get reelected" while there is another large segment in this Country that believes he finally came to his senses and is now taking the more appropriate position that his constituents expected of him.  It's hard to argue with either side.

When Senator Brown was elected in Mass, thus ending the filibuster proof Senate, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress took some unpopular steps to make certain this didn't mean the end to his health care bill.  There is a large segment of this Country that believes Obama reneged on his "transparency" campaign pledge in order to both pass his bill and enhance his reelection chances while another large segment of this Country felt this bill was far too important to fail just so this President could claim the moral high ground.  Again, it's hard to argue with either side.

If I'm a politician who feels I can be of great service on behalf of my Country, I can see times when I might change a stance in order to hold on to my position.  It is the nature of the beast and a big reason why Politicians are not often held in high esteem.  The next time you hear a Politician use the term "promise", maybe you should hear it as "my current intended goal".  


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Dewey,

I'll stand by my original statement.  Politicians are primarily motivated by power and the fear of losing that power.  There are politicians that are motivated by caring for society as a whole but those politicians seldom make it out of local politics.   It's too costly to get into national politics and those with strong social values can't survive the compromises necessary to get that kind of money.  Only those willing to sell their values will ever bubble up to Washington.

And I'll add this one...

The first job of a religion is to perpetuate itself.  It's the primary focus of any pastor, priest or rabbi.  Their secondary purpose is to preach religion.  This is the survival instinct kicking in.  To survive they need followers and money and the actions they take to get both often don't fit in with what they preach from the pulpit.  As a priest once told my father, "Son, do as I say, not as I do."

You don't even want to hear my views on union leaders.

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LMUFan----Sure we do!!


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Dewey and LMUFan - Now you're cookin'.  A friend of mine who was a senator told us that he was shocked at the people he had to "go to bed with" in order to gain power in Congress or even the backing of his party.  He was an idealist who entered politics (he already had enough money) because he thought that he could do some good for our nation in Washington.  He left the Senate in disgust.  

I've been saying this for years - It's the system that is corrupted (on several levels), and only people willing to play a corrupt game excel.  Then again, who supervises the corrupt system but those corrupted?  I see the problem, but as JFK said, "Just because there is a problem, that doesn't mean there is a solution".      

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The motivations of a politician are plain and simple - lie, cheat, steal & suck enough c*ck to get re-elected.


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PGP - I saw Charlie Sheen's one man show today and thought that you should sue because he did a poor imitation of your use of language.      
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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PGP - I saw Charlie Sheen's one man show today and thought that you should sue because he did a poor imitation of your use of language.      

Our League Commissioner reached out to Charlie's publicist to see if Charlie wants to join fantasy baseball this year.  It will be an interesting season if he can get him.  He can provide the strippers and porn stars for Draft Day in the hotel.  Then he can spring for all the rounds of drinks as we go bar hopping during the night.  Someone in the League already named their team after Charlie - I am Bi-Winning.  PRICELESS.


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No, pathetic...

PatGillickProtege

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Bluedog you really need a sense of humor.


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GoYard

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Sounds like you may need to go to confession again, PGP!!
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Now that the WB fired Charlie Sheen he's got plenty of time to do Fantasy Baseball so he should just fork over the $50 and join our league.  It will be a comical league if he joins.  More excitement.  More alcohol.  More Women (strippers & porn stars).


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I'm slated for confession on wednesday morning.  So that's about 9 years of stuff to discuss then I can get Ashes.  I think the prognosis will be about 100 Our Father's, 500 Hail Mary's, 100 Glory Be's, a boatload of Acts of Contrition, and numerous candle lightings.


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Now that the WB fired Charlie Sheen he's got plenty of time to do Fantasy Baseball so he should just fork over the $50 and join our league. It will be a comical league if he joins. More excitement. More alcohol. More Women (strippers & porn stars).



What's WB mean?
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The WB is a TV Network  ( Warner Bros)

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The WB is a TV Network ( Warner Bros)


Okay - I got confused with how the WB and UPN formed the CW.  But Warner Brothers makes sense because they make the show even though it appears on CBS.  Lots of letters  :-)
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