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WindMiller - I have his e-mail address and we occasionally keep in touch. Richie stopped in to see me in Florida with his daughter when The Court was in Florida a few years ago. I remember the Jersey Windmillers, and a good guy named Bill. That Harlem Tournament was an early season tournament. I threw there in the snow one year, and even got an MVP there (Lefty Long Trophy). Wow, those were great years.
PS - The Seaboard League was a tough league, and even some of the non league teams that we played were very good. I guess men's fastpitch ran out of pitchers. I remember when 16 teams played in the Men's Nationals, and only one team had a pitcher (Moore and Pay n Pack out of Washington state) from the USA.

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I will pass on the hello's.....

Men's fastpitch is just a memory for so many areas of the country... We played the Fox Hill Merchants out of Va. a few weeks ago...They were an old fastball team that played in the Seaboard league out of the Hampton area.  The had a 18 year old kid, who threw in the high 60's.....  Always good to see young blood

Rich and I just did a pitch / catch show in Iowa, saw some of the boys from Sioux City.....  Always a great place to go and still see some great fastpitch...

Keep throwing hard....
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I will pass on the hello's.....

Men's fastpitch is just a memory for so many areas of the country... We played the Fox Hill Merchants out of Va. a few weeks ago...They were an old fastball team that played in the Seaboard league out of the Hampton area.  The had a 18 year old kid, who threw in the high 60's.....  Always good to see young blood

Rich and I just did a pitch / catch show in Iowa, saw some of the boys from Sioux City.....  Always a great place to go and still see some great fastpitch...

Keep throwing hard....
regards

WMill- Just wondering if you played against the likes of Titus Manufacturing, Cardinal super markets, etc out of waterloo or CFalls area,or any of teams out of Quad cities or Peoria. Might have been a few years a head of some of you. Best two pitchers I can remember were Reberry, HYook & Brubaker the best.

Told Frank one time,The King k'ed me blindfolded[not me, him] Played my most fp 56-68.


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Hey sorry about the now it all but if you were really into softball you would no Joan Joyce coach of Florida Atlantic was clocked in the 100s in the 70s

Joan Joyce was possibly the greatest all around player in womens softball. But please step away from the keyboard if you think she threw over 100 mph. Michelle Granger threw as hard as any woman who ever played the game. She was a monster when they gave her the ball. She is the only player in history to compete in the ISF Jr. Girls' World Championships, the U.S. Olympic Festival, the Pan American Games and the ASA Women's Major National Championships in the same year (1987). Guess what she was 16 years old when did that. And was clocked in the low 70's all day long.


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Yes, Granger could bring it with the best of them, and from the left side. I remember when she began to feel that tingling in her arm and fingers before the syndrome was given a name. She took off a year, and came back, but so did the tingling after a few innings. I watched her blow the ball by people in the 1996 Olympics for three innings and then give way to another pitcher. She truly was a great pitcher, a phenom from her early age.
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WindMiller - When and where are Hoppe's last games with the Court? If they are anywhere nearby, I'd love to go there. Thanks.
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Hey....
I fly out to Cleveland this afternoon....  we play at the
All Pro Freight Stadium tomorrow at 200pm

I'll let Hoppe know you were asking for him...
Our web site (kingandhiscourt.com) just announced that next year will be the last.

We will play out last 100 games....
Should be fun....  time to retire it...
Will let you know when we get back to Jersey..


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WndMillr - I just e-mailed Richie and he replied in some depth. I live in Florida (Tampa) now. Richie said that he would let me know when they are near Tampa. I bribed him with the promise of a dinner on me. Wow, the end of an era in men's softball. 100 more games. Please send me a personal message and let me know if you are who I think you are. Frank
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neophyte - I make no such claim - either claim. I do know, either personally or by reputation, many people connected with the softball community, especially on the East Coast. I am old, and played and coached the game for many years as well as running softball schools for women for 25 years and clinics in the East, even down in Puerto Rico, so I've met more than a few people connected with softball. The pitcher for The King and His Court is a dear friend who moved from Bayonne, NJ to California. He and I pitched against each other in the last regional game I pitched in Buffalo, NY just before he left to join Eddie Feigner. Remember that we old folks just have our memories and love to touch base with those who share them.

The Windmillers were the last top level men's team to play out of New Jersey, so WndMillr could be anyone from that team. I think I know who this poster is, but I can't be sure. I usually allow posters their anonymity in our conversation, but this has aroused my curiosity. He certainly knows about when I pitched, and even where. I hope that he responds by sending a private message so I can say, "Aha, so that's who you are!".

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Well, I guess that the WndMILLR poster wants to maintain his anonymity, and I certainly should respect that. I shall have to swallow my curiosity.
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Hey gang, I found this thread while searching "Royal Baird Queen and Her Maids" to see what came up.  My first job in life at 16 was as a substitute player/publicity girl for the team.  That was 1969 and it was my role to announce on the field during exhibition games.  At the time I joined, their greatest claim to fame was playing the Dodgers at the Houston Astrodome in front of 25,000.  Before they took on a baseball team in a game, they'd go out on the field alone and do their tricks to show off a bit and wow the crowd.  That's when I stood out on the field with a microphone and explained what they were doing.  Rosie would demo her fast pitches and accuracy by having two of the players stand facing one another at the plate and get ever closer and closer while she pitched between them.  I recall announcing the details of her prowess and the brag of her speed being 60 mph, but my memory could be wrong.  After all it has been a long time.  I don't remember any fake pitches taking place to feign speed.  I do recall her missing and hitting her brother (dressed in girls clothing to fool the crowd as it was supposed to be all girls).  His leg swelled up quite a bit that night.  That game was at Cashmin Field against Nevada, and I remember one of the players losing his temper and throwing his bat because he was being struck out by Rosie. 

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Hey SUB, welcome aboard. Glad to have you with us.  Thanks for the info on Rosie and your job with the team. That must have been quite an experience for you.

Now you have likely opened the flood gates and we will be treated to a trip (or two) down memory lane by Mr. Bolton.  As Martha would say, "and that is a good thing".


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Sub - I am looking at a souvenir booklet that I have with autographs from Rosie, Eileen, Karen, and brother "Lotta Chatter". They also had Debby Bevers with their group, and Royal Beard (Dad) was the "coach". There is an ad in the booklet for subscriptions to a 1967 magazine, so we must have played against them about then (in New Jersey). Ah, when the world was young !!! I remember that Rosie (about 18 years old at the time) threw from 40 feet, and it took a while for our guys to catch up with her. Welcome aboard UCS. Frank
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Sub - I am looking at a souvenir booklet that I have with autographs from Rosie, Eileen, Karen, and brother "Lotta Chatter". They also had Debby Bevers with their group, and Royal Beard (Dad) was the "coach". There is an ad in the booklet for subscriptions to a 1967 magazine, so we must have played against them about then (in New Jersey). Ah, when the world was young !!! I remember that Rosie (about 18 years old at the time) threw from 40 feet, and it took a while for our guys to catch up with her. Welcome aboard UCS. Frank


Thanks Ten and Joisey for the welcome.  I believe Eileen or Karen (or both) were Rosie's sisters.  I seem to recall that Rosie was about 18 and Debby was a year older and the only non-sibling with the team.  That would make Rosie 16 in 1967.  She didn't have her driver's license at 18 and so at 16 I had to drive the team back to L.A. from Las Vegas because Royal wasn't feeling well, and I'd just learned to drive the freeway a few weeks before.  Ten, you are right that it was an experience -- it was a bit mind blowing for me and I had to grow up very quickly to handle it, as Royal didn't fully understand the definition of  "child."  I'd love to get my hands on a copy of that booklet, since I have nothing.  One of my responsibilities was to hand out the souvenirs, and I signed an occasional autograph, but I don't have anything from those days.  Royal Beard was indeed the manager.  He interviewed and hired me after a series of interviews, auditions on the field and tryouts playing with the team and I was thrilled to be chosen from 200 applicants).  I have no idea what has become of Royal or the others.  BTW, correcting my first post about no fake pitches, I vaguely recall a gag where she did a fake pitch and the catcher made the sound of the ball.  It was clearly a gag and not meant fraudulently. 

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I just found a page on the web with an endearing memoir from a fan who posted pix and a 1971 souvenir booklet that has Rosie at 18 years.  She may have been 17 in 1969 and the booklet was slightly outdated at the time of publication.  Her last name is spelled correctly "Beaird."  The web page gives lots of info/updates and a link to the booklet: http://paulspage.home.comcast.net/~paulspage/maids/maids.html:

From Eileen Beaird:

  • Karen made her last tour with "The Queen and Her Maids: when she was 21 (1979).
  • Sadly, Royal passed away in 1985.
  • The team's name was changed to "The Queen & Her Court" to accommodate addition of male players. (Lotta not-withstanding)
  • Rosie and Eileen ended their softball career in 1990. Without Royal it became difficult to invest the time and energy needed to run the team, and both wanted to concentrate on their families. 

From Debby (Bevers) Van Dusen:

Those were some good years and alot of fun. You are right. I did play 2 years in the pro league before I got married. I just retired from UPS, in July 2005, after driving a package car for 28 years.....

From Others:
"Two Beaird brothers played "Lotta Chatter" over the years: Marvin and Norman. Marvin passed away in 2001."

THANKS GUYS, FOR THE MEMORIES!


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Joisey Guy

Been a long two weeks....  Cleveland with the Court...
home for 2 days and a vacation with my better half,
7 days in Myrtle Beach, chasing the little white ball...  just got back...

no hiding.....right click on my handle....
I played out of New England....played the WindMillers many times...
Fastpitch and Men's Major Modified....  never with them.

We booked games in jersey for next summer...  Bayonne is on the schedule...
Will be in Florida after my college season gets over..





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WndMillR - I often wondered how you guys endured the tour, especially that old guy in the circle. Even as a kid, he had a great athletic body and threw more games than anyone I knew. The only time I knew Rich to have a sore arm was when he came back from throwing a baseball in spring training, and his arm was shot. I'll bet that he thought then that it was all over. He tried to compete, but with tears in his eyes, but the arm did come back. He just flat out loved the game. It was so good to see him live out his Bayonne dream and pitch for "The Court" for so many years. I remember when he had a four man team called "Hoppe's Pub". Way back in the days. Frank
PS - The New England team that I played against was Interstate Batterymen out of Worcestershire, Massachusetts. I also pitched many times against Stratford, Connecticut Raybestos. In the last game I pitched against Richie in a regional at Buffalo, NY, he was pitching for Poughkeepsie, New York. He left to join Feigner I believe the following day.

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Rich's 4 man team,  Hop and the Hustlers....
was a put your money where your mouth is, big time event. 
They traveled well, played well, and partied well....  it's all in the book...

I lived in NE Ct....  played against Dick Handy and the Battery men many times.
Played in the Worcester league, as well as the Webster Ma., Putnam Ct. and Killingly Ct leagues...
Remember John Tighe and the Tighe Club from Boston, Legends for Fairhaven Ma.
Snap on Tool ( NH), Jim's Gun Shop( Me.)
We won the New England Qualifier many times...

Played in Stratford as well as Harlem, Jersey and Long Island.....  Those were the days..


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WndMillR, Ten and Frank, thanks for the conversation in the thread, albeit short-lived, just like my career in Softball.  Congrats on yours.  WndMillR, what book, I missed that.  It tickles me to have had a word with you all on these topics after all these years.  I'm afraid I don't quite fit in here otherwise as much of what you are talking about is like a foreign language.  I'd click on your handle if I knew how to do that!  Take care and I hope I added something worthwhile.

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Check out Hoppe's book
The Pitcher and the Painter

find it at
http://www.lulu.com



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WndMillR - I ordered it and am awaiting delivery. It will be interesting for me to note how much of the content I already knew, for instance why he became a visual artist, and when the huge turning point in his life occurred; he was always a nice guy and a fine softball pitcher who idolized Eddie Feigner, but he became a fine man and a terrific human being who had a great gift for working with young folks and making a difference in their lives, and a terrific work ethic in pitching a softball and entertaining many, many people while maintaining a sense of humility and a sense of humor to accompany that (great free laugh). Chalk it up to "Mizz B".

I remember the first time I saw Hoppe. I was pitching against "Earl's" in Newark in the Sunday Morning League (very good softball), and in the last two innings they brought in this young kid, and I wondered why they hadn't pitched him the whole game because he was very, very good. I sneaked a look at his blue jacket, and on the left breast was SUGARHOP. Many 2-1 games later, we developed a mutual respect which I treasure. Rich Hoppe's life is a life well lived.
PS - Are you C.D. ??? If so, you have lived life well also.

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I am CD....  and it has been a life well traveled...

Rich's book is raw,  will scare some....talks about the demons he brought back from the war in Viet Nam.




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WinMillR - I saw your picture and told Rich that you reminded me physically of my old roomie on the road Cal Miller. Cal died from complications from Alzheimers a few years ago - great guy and terrific down pitcher. I always called him "The Big Guy". He and I were nominated this past year for New Jersey's Softball Hall of Fame. He was one of 3 inducted, and I was not. It was an honor to be nominated. I did Google Peace - congratulations with your work there. Good stuff !!!


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CD - I finished reading Rich's book last night, and it left me with as many questions as it did answers. I knew Rich somewhat during those times, and knew about his brother (from Rich). I knew only that he was an artist. I missed the second coming of Miss B. I got the impression that he took an entire pitching era and collapsed it into the Harlem experience in his book. The book is very well written, and is organized well around the "frame" of the "Our Father".

Hoppe loved to pitch, and pitched for more teams than I have fingers and toes, well at least toes. I know that Richie pitched more games each year than any pitcher that I knew. I would guess that the sequel - 1994 through today - will be forthcoming and will begin with the second coming of Miss B. I do know that Rich Hoppe is a very good man now, and his religious experience has been a good one for him. I did have the privilege of meeting his daughter Claire when she and Richie came to visit us when The Court was in Florida - two good folks.

PS - Get that second book out soon, Richie, because I'm getting older each day. Please include some of your own art work. Paint yourself a pitching.

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CD - Did you read my last post?
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yea.....book is raw...tells it like it is....
more coming

here is the press release from Weds

PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release

Contact
Steve Beden
The King & His Court
509-735-2878 ext. 205 phone
509-735-4917 fax
admin@kingandhiscourt.org
http://www.kingandhiscourt.org

 

The King & His Court Announce It’s Farewell Tour

Kennewick, Washington – 9/16/2010 - After 65 years, performing for more than 20,000,000 fans in over 4,000 cities worldwide and throughout 104 countries, the King & His Court made it official today by announcing preparations for its last 100 events tour.

The King & His Court have been one of sport's constants, its longest running show.  Founded in 1946 by the “King of Softball” Eddie Feigner -- the King & His Court debut was a perfect game in Pendleton, Ore. -- and the act has stretched into the next millennium.  Having won games in Yankee Stadium, beside the Great Wall of China, playing from the deck of the aircraft carrier Midway, to the DMZ bordering North and South Korea, to the jungles of Thailand, the locks of the Panama Canal and the sand dunes and oil fields of Saudi Arabia, the King & His Court have entertained fans the world over. 

Throughout the years The King & His Court have seen 7 wars, 8 presidents, and the rise and fall of the Berlin Wall.  Listed in Sports Illustrated; September 6, 1999 as #8 on the all-time list of teams American's enjoyed watching they have amazed fans with the trademark blindfolded pitching performances on “The Steve Allen Show”, “The Tonight Show”, “The Jerry Lewis Telethon”, and “CBS Sunday Sports Spectacular” to name a few. 

Still dressed in the trademark red, white and blue uniforms and taking the field as a 4-man team; pitcher, catcher, first baseman and shortstop, the King & His Court will travel the back roads and busy streets of cities and communities one last time bringing a message of Hope, Awareness and of Choice. Encouraging fans and spectators to follow their hearts and commit to their dreams.





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WndMILLr - Thanks for the heads up. I shall try to make one of those games on the last tour. I hope that The Court plays somewhere nearby where I live near Tampa, Florida. Life moves on, in stages and dribs and drabs. That there will be no more "King and His Court" is unthinkable. "The moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on. And no amount of sorrow or any amount of tears will wash out even a word of it".
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Terp - I believe that Joan was throwing from 40 feet also which gave a hitter much less reaction time to a pitch. She was a phenomenal softball pitcher, but also a phenomenal athlete beyond that in everything from bowling to golf. I don't know if she still is, but she was a golf coach at Florida Atlantic. Great athlete, up there with the best of all time.

When we played (men's major fastpitch) in Terp territory, we played on the Delmarva peninsula or in Waldorf, Md. off the beltway. My younger sister lived in Calverton and had two of her four children graduate from the University of the Terrapin.

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     TerpAlum;    Just a couple of things about Joan Joyce's slingshot motion.  She learned her motion from Frank, "Hot Dog" Kuchta. The motion was not closed because at the last moment she would open it for more power from the left side.  Her ball moved a ton, Rise, drop, curve, down and in screwball, and a great knuckle ball change,which she hardly threw.  She learned her pitches from Johnny Spring, who to me was the greatest pitcher ever.

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     Joisey guy; What is Karen Johns doing now?

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