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Moss started gave up the two solo shots and Arnold gave up the game wining run
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Poor Sprang has really struggled in her last three starts. Started tonight against Oregon St. in Mary Nutter and was given a three-run lead before she toed the mound. She promptly walked two, threw a wild pitch and gave up a hit and two runs. I'm sure Ralph "quick hook" Weekly will pull her soon--if he hasn't already. I'm not sure why Sprang didn't start against Bethune Cookman, a lesser side, which might have enabled Sprang to gain a bit of confidence. I think Weekly  makes it harder on pitchers who are struggling with his quick hook. A week or so ago, Sprang again struggled early against i Univ. of Massachusetts--Lowell and Weekly yanked her after one out in the 2nd inning after she'd given up a whopping 1 run. Why? Let her stay in the game and pitch and tried to find her footing. UT was surely going to win the game regardless....But he doesn't do it. 

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Seriously? This is not baseball. It serves NO purpose to allow pitchers to continue to struggle. You can use 3 pitchers, the same 3, every single game.
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Poor Sprang has really struggled in her last three starts. Started tonight against Oregon St. in Mary Nutter and was given a three-run lead before she toed the mound. She promptly walked two, threw a wild pitch and gave up a hit and two runs. I'm sure Ralph "quick hook" Weekly will pull her soon--if he hasn't already. I'm not sure why Sprang didn't start against Bethune Cookman, a lesser side, which might have enabled Sprang to gain a bit of confidence. I think Weekly  makes it harder on pitchers who are struggling with his quick hook. A week or so ago, Sprang again struggled early against i Univ. of Massachusetts--Lowell and Weekly yanked her after one out in the 2nd inning after she'd given up a whopping 1 run. Why? Let her stay in the game and pitch and tried to find her footing. UT was surely going to win the game regardless....But he doesn't do it. 


Gabby will be okay and will do great things at Tennessee...geez man...you can't leave her in there when her pitches are hitting the backstop and going way too high....stop taking digs at Ralph because you don't like him...he is a HOF coach 
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Gabby will be okay and will do great things at Tennessee...geez man...you can't leave her in there when her pitches are hitting the backstop and going way too high....stop taking digs at Ralph because you don't like him...he is a HOF coach 


Don't make assumptions. I know all about Weekly's success and respect him and his wife a great deal. I'm a UT fan.  I just think he's got an odd and potentially counter-productive approach to pitchers who are struggling. If a player is not performing well, then s/he's surely got confidence issues as well. Bad performance dents one's confidence which leads to even more bad performance. One aspect feeds on the other. If the coach has shown that he's going to pull you if you give up a run early, or struggle early, then the player is going to feel even more pressure every time she walks on the field.

Now, I'm not watching these games. If her mechanics are terrible, then maybe it's pointless to keep her in the game. Even so, no player at any position, in any sport, likes looking over his or her shoulder, so to speak, knowing they are coming out if they make a couple of mistakes. That's how your ruin confidence, not build it. I also believe it's a good thing to let a pitcher work through difficulties on the field. Weekly just isn't very patient with struggling pitchers--and that's not usually a recipe for building confidence in a player. We'll see what happens.

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Seriously? This is not baseball. It serves NO purpose to allow pitchers to continue to struggle. You can use 3 pitchers, the same 3, every single game.


UT has two pitchers, not three. Sprang is the third pitcher. The Vols had this issue last year. They had a third pitcher who supposedly had pretty good stuff but also had control issues. She got the start in 3 or so games--games against easy opponents, mind you--and as I recall pitched well (or well enough) in her first outing, then struggled early in her next two starts and was yanked early--and then the coaches stopped pitching her at all. And then UT was left with only two pitchers, which wasn't enough. Now, one can say that she wasn't good enough and who's going to argue (besides me), or one could ask if she might have been handled differently. If the odds are that you will win the game, why not let a pitcher try to work through her difficulties instead of pulling her one pitcher into the second inning when you've already got a lead. That's how pitchers start to develop confidence. 

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UT has two pitchers, not three. Sprang is the third pitcher. The Vols had this issue last year. They had a third pitcher who supposedly had pretty good stuff but also had control issues. She got the start in 3 or so games--games against easy opponents, mind you--and as I recall pitched well (or well enough) in her first outing, then struggled early in her next two starts and was yanked early--and then the coaches stopped pitching her at all. And then UT was left with only two pitchers, which wasn't enough. Now, one can say that she wasn't good enough and who's going to argue (besides me), or one could ask if she might have been handled differently. If the odds are that you will win the game, why not let a pitcher try to work through her difficulties instead of pulling her one pitcher into the second inning when you've already got a lead. That's how pitchers start to develop confidence. 


These aren't babies and these games count. When you get put in the game, you have to execute. You act like there is no chance for a pitcher to improve except the game. That's not true. This isnt practice and this isnt fall ball, this is it. The game is the game. It's time for execution. Sprang has issued 12 walks and given up 16 hits in 13.1 innings. That's not going to cut it, she's knows it isn't going to cut it. She's not standing there wondering why she's coming out of the game.
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Sprang has not been good at all, to be sure--but there's a big difference between practice and games. You can't duplicate the pressure and intensity of games. I think you've got to leave a struggling pitcher in the game sometimes and see if they can tough it out, compose themselves--especially if you are playing an opponent you are quite sure you are going to beat. Who cares if you win 8-3 as opposed to 8-1 if another inning of work helps the pitcher? Ralph has a very quick hook. Hey, his decisions work far more often than not, and so yea, yanking her early is certainly justifiable, but I think you've got be careful with a player's confidence, and I imagine Sprang's confidence level isn't too high right now. We'll see.... Whatever is going on, it's not a good omen. If she doesn't find herself soon, she may not be pitching much at all as we're not too far off from the start of SEC play. 

The team played well at the Mary Nutter. I don't know why, with about 20+ teams in the tournament, the Vols had to play UC-Davis and Oregon St. a second time--weird--but they counted as two more victories.

Going forward I think the coaches have got to give Weimer more at bats as the DP. Bearden did not hit last year and is worse this year, and Ayalla has been almost as bad. They've each had more than 20 at bats while Weimer has had 10. Weimer has shown hints of being a decent hitter but it's been hard to gauge her ability as she's not gotten that many at bats either last year or this. With Vines and Huffstetler out, UT's depth as taken a hit. In the end I think Lockman and McSwain will be a huge key to this team and how far it can go. They've both improved this year and gotten some key hits, have driven in runs. Lockman is definitely better, and McSwain can hit the ball out, though she remains inconsistent. If they can keep producing in spots, the Vols will be formidable.  

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What ever happened to Anna renfroe? I can't find if she left Tennessee to play for another school or just left playing softball all together?
Side note yes I know she would have already graduated college. Just curious😁
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Sprang has not been good at all, to be sure--but there's a big difference between practice and games. You can't duplicate the pressure and intensity of games. I think you've got to leave a struggling pitcher in the game sometimes and see if they can tough it out, compose themselves--especially if you are playing an opponent you are quite sure you are going to beat. Who cares if you win 8-3 as opposed to 8-1 if another inning of work helps the pitcher? Ralph has a very quick hook. Hey, his decisions work far more often than not, and so yea, yanking her early is certainly justifiable, but I think you've got be careful with a player's confidence, and I imagine Sprang's confidence level isn't too high right now. We'll see.... Whatever is going on, it's not a good omen. If she doesn't find herself soon, she may not be pitching much at all as we're not too far off from the start of SEC play. 

The team played well at the Mary Nutter. I don't know why, with about 20+ teams in the tournament, the Vols had to play UC-Davis and Oregon St. a second time--weird--but they counted as two more victories.

Going forward I think the coaches have got to give Weimer more at bats as the DP. Bearden did not hit last year and is worse this year, and Ayalla has been almost as bad. They've each had more than 20 at bats while Weimer has had 10. Weimer has shown hints of being a decent hitter but it's been hard to gauge her ability as she's not gotten that many at bats either last year or this. With Vines and Huffstetler out, UT's depth as taken a hit. In the end I think Lockman and McSwain will be a huge key to this team and how far it can go. They've both improved this year and gotten some key hits, have driven in runs. Lockman is definitely better, and McSwain can hit the ball out, though she remains inconsistent. If they can keep producing in spots, the Vols will be formidable.  


Glad you're not the coach my goodness... The Lady Vols are ranked 5th in the country right now!! Ayala will be the DP she is starting to hit is just a freshman sometimes takes a while to adjust....Sprang will be fine she knows what she needs to work on and so do the weeklys....stop being so dadgum negative against this team
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So far, so good for Tennessee. The team is being carried by Gregg, Seggern (who's now got more RBIs than Gregg, which is saying something), Holcomb and Leach, who may be the best leadoff hitter in the country and has certainly been one of the most underrated players in the country for the last year or more. Leach and Holcomb are expert at getting on base and getting around the bases to score. What's noticeable this year is that a lot of the kids are hitting the ball to all fields--taking outside pitches to the opposite field, and that's a key to good hitting. On the mound, Arnold has been dominant and Moss has been good but less consistent--was pulled today against a mediocre Toledo team.

The only downsides are these: Haley Bearden strangely continues to get starts despite being, I'm sorry to say it, a bad hitter. She hit something like .200 in limited action last year and is worse this year--now hitting 0.83, with 2 hits in 24 at bats. She started both games today while K. Weimer, who is a better hitter and is hitting .250, albeit with only 10/11 at bats all year, got one pinch-hit at bat in the two games. Not sure what the coaches are thinking here. And in terms of pitching, it looks like the Vols are back where they were last year with only two dependable pitchers. It was thought that, with Gabby Sprang, the Vols would have three, including a lefty in Sprang, but after a good first start she has struggled mightily in her last three starts and it is hard to see her pitching much going forward. I mean, if you're going to try to get her going, wouldn't you want to get her out on the mound today against two inferior teams, Charleston and Toledo? I would, but no--no sign of Sprang. UT plays So. Alabama tomorrow and I don't see her pitching against a team that is better than the two today--but maybe she will; R. Weekly can be surprising sometimes. If she doesn't, hard to see her pitching much when SEC games start next weekend. We'll see. 

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Vols pitching well, top of the order is hitting well, but the bottom of the order is doing what they did last year--nothing. Both A. Lockman and McSwain hit the ball well early in the season, especially in the first California tourney--but they've since resorted to their no-hit form, I'm afraid. The coaches should have changed McSwain's swing three years ago--you can't hit for average with a long loopy swing like hers. You can hit home runs if you time the pitch right--and of her 10 hits total, McSwain has 4 homers and 2 doubles. But her swing continues to be a problem. Lockman looks better at the plate this year but hasn't had much luck lately. I have no idea why R. Weekly doesn't play Weimer more: I saw her hit quite a bit last year--and she's a better hitter than McSwain and Bearden--looks better at the plate. Weekly seems to have something against her--and meanwhile, he seems enamored of Bearden despite the fact that she was the worst hitter on the team last year and is the worst hitter on the team this year. Though she's hitting .070 or thereabouts, she started three games this weekend and was a pitch hitter in the two games she didn't start. Hello! Yes, pitch hit for a struggling McSwain--but not with Bearden. Coaches have weird biases. Given that Sprang did not pitch at all in a five-game series against relatively weak opponents, it now seems that the Vols are back where they were last year--leaning on two pitchers. A bit worrisome that the coaches can't even get Sprang in form enough to throw some innings against inferior teams. Something is amiss.

Next up is Missouri. 

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Vols pitching well, top of the order is hitting well, but the bottom of the order is doing what they did last year--nothing. Both A. Lockman and McSwain hit the ball well early in the season, especially in the first California tourney--but they've since resorted to their no-hit form, I'm afraid. The coaches should have changed McSwain's swing three years ago--you can't hit for average with a long loopy swing like hers. You can hit home runs if you time the pitch right--and of her 10 hits total, McSwain has 4 homers and 2 doubles. But her swing continues to be a problem. Lockman looks better at the plate this year but hasn't had much luck lately. I have no idea why R. Weekly doesn't play Weimer more: I saw her hit quite a bit last year--and she's a better hitter than McSwain and Bearden--looks better at the plate. Weekly seems to have something against her--and meanwhile, he seems enamored of Bearden despite the fact that she was the worst hitter on the team last year and is the worst hitter on the team this year. Though she's hitting .070 or thereabouts, she started three games this weekend and was a pitch hitter in the two games she didn't start. Hello! Yes, pitch hit for a struggling McSwain--but not with Bearden. Coaches have weird biases. Given that Sprang did not pitch at all in a five-game series against relatively weak opponents, it now seems that the Vols are back where they were last year--leaning on two pitchers. A bit worrisome that the coaches can't even get Sprang in form enough to throw some innings against inferior teams. Something is amiss.

Next up is Missouri. 


Stop bashing the weeklys! The lady vols are 21-1!!! They're the most consistent program at Tennessee they know what they're doing! Obviously, you are not a Tennessee fan or you would have known that Sprang did pitch this weekend. They're still working with her and she will get better. Please stop following Tennessee if you're not going to get your information right
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Stop bashing the weeklys! The lady vols are 21-1!!! They're the most consistent program at Tennessee they know what they're doing! Obviously, you are not a Tennessee fan or you would have known that Sprang did pitch this weekend. They're still working with her and she will get better. Please stop following Tennessee if you're not going to get your information right



Is there a pie in the oven that you should be checking? Don't tell me what to post. If you want to make points about the team, do so, but otherwise, go away. I make comments about the team and will continue to do so. Plenty of others have asked the same questions I have. You think because a coach is successful that one can't ask questions or make points? Please. 

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sball fan - Vance is a uneducated moron, that is obviously a chauvinist as well.  Most of us welcome females posting here and enjoy their perspective.
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Is there a pie in the oven that you should be checking? Don't tell me what to post. If you want to make points about the team, do so, but otherwise, go away. I make comments about the team and will continue to do so. Plenty of others have asked the same questions I have. You think because a coach is successful that one can't ask questions or make points? Please. 


First of all, I am a guy....your comment tells me all I need to know about you as a person to have a mind like that and to call yourself a "fan" of a mostly dominated female sport well that is just sad...I've been on this site for a long time and have met a few people off of here...there is no need to make that comment like that at any time to anyone!!!!
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sball fan - Vance is a uneducated moron, that is obviously a chauvinist as well.  Most of us welcome females posting here and enjoy their perspective.


I'm a guy but it's all good no worries
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I'm a guy but it's all good no worries


Yes, you've said that twice. Whatever, you act silly with your mewling about my questions and comments regarding a few of R. Weekly's coaching decisions. What, you think any coach is infallible? Do you think they don't make mistakes, bad decisions? I've not even accused Weekly of making mistakes--but I have questioned some of his decisions, as have others. I don't need you or anyone to monitor my comments. I mean, feel free--but I will keep posting my views. If you want to disagree with a point I make, well, that's a different story. That would be fine--state your case why, for example, Bearden should be getting all the at-bats that she does. But you don't address my points: you just get upset because I question a few decisions. 

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Shall we compare educations--or how well-informed we are? Yea,didn't think so. 

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Jenna Holcomb's amazing stats anomaly....Hitting .484 on 30 hits, all singles. Yet, only one stolen base attempted
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Another SEC family spat. LOL

For what it's worth, I'm a disinterested third party (OU fan, and all). But Im curious: Can't a *guy* have a pie in the oven too? [biggrin]
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Vols with a good first win over Missouri. Gregg breaks out of a mini-slump, by her standards, with a grand slam that wins the game. Some warning signs for UT, however. The team looks a bit too much like last year's team: Top of the batting order is strong and the bottom of the order is weak--again. And, again, there are only two dependable pitchers as the coaches have strangely not gotten Gabby Sprang's control problems solved, but then they couldn't solve Aucoin's control issues last year either. Not good as it's hard to beat good teams in three-game series with only two pitchers.

Would love to hear the Weekly's explain why they keep starting the worst hitter on the team in the DP spot--completely bazaar. Poor Katy Weimer is a better hitter and yet sits game after game. Where was Ayala in this game? She was 4-4 in the last game before this one. Did she hurt herself in practice or what? It makes zero sense. McSwain is also a problem--hitting under 200 but gets the start. Comes up in the 2nd inning with the bases loaded and strikes out on a 3-2 pitch that was at her angles. Oh, my--gotta have more composure than that. Kudos to Lockman: she has improved her hitting and knocked in the first two runs with a nice single to right field after that McSwain K--big hit. Big game tomorrow--need a win. 

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Credit to the coaches for surprising most everybody and starting Sprang today. I didn't see that coming, given her recent struggles with her nerves, and I doubt many others did either. It was a bold move and it paid off as Sprang pitched well for three innings and, it is hoped, gained some confidence from the stint against an SEC opponent. The young woman has some wicked stuff--first time I've seen her pitch, really--and just needs to learn to relax on the mound. If she can learn to do that she will become a huge asset to this already strong team. I've been a bit critical of the coaches, so let me praise them here! 

Also glad to see Ayala in the lineup today--odd that she didn't play yesterday. Lockman with another RBI hit--I like her grit--and McSwain got a hit, by which I mean she hit a home run, as that's pretty much what her not-so-frequent hits are--home runs. She's got a swing that is not good for hitting for average but is good for hitting the long ball, if she times her swing right--and today she did. Nice. Leach is the best leadoff hitter in the game, IMO--or maybe I should say, since I don't see many teams, that I can't imagine any leadoff hitters better than her--certainly hasn't gotten the recognition she deserves. She and Holcomb are a potent 1-2 combo, to be sure. Great win today. 

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Ralph Weekly said today that the coaches would assess how Vines feels over the next two days and determine whether she continues to play this year or not. If she feels good, she'll obviously play, which would probably mean that McSwain, Morgan or Ayala would platoon, maybe two playing and one sitting, depending on the opponent and pitcher, who's hitting well, etc. Morgan and Ayala are both good young players who, even as freshmen, will surely hit for higher average than McSwain. On the other hand, McSwain gives the lineup some badly needed right-hand hitting and some power. She can hit home runs--about half her hits leave the park--but that's just the problem. It's very hit or miss with her. She's streaky and has long dry spells. It's nice to have options, however--and Vines, if she returns to form, simply makes UT even better. 

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Oh... bs... they just burnt her redshirt... ain't assessing anything. BS artist
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Oh... bs... they just burnt her redshirt... ain't assessing anything. BS artist


Maybe she doesn’t want to redshirt...
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That's fine, but they aren't 'assessing' anything. The redshirt is gone. She will be playing again this season

The only possibility that she DOESN'T play again this year is if they screwed up monumentally and she got hurt again yesterday
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That's fine, but they aren't 'assessing' anything. The redshirt is gone. She will be playing again this season

The only possibility that she DOESN'T play again this year is if they screwed up monumentally and she got hurt again yesterday



I reported what Weekly said on video after yesterday's game, OK? But if you want to contradict the coach's own words, hey, want can I say? Yea, she's been cleared to play and she'll no doubt keep playing unless she is not fully recovered--but that is what Weekly said last night. I'm pretty sure that if she were to stop playing after participating in only a couple of games, she'd be eligible still for a redshirt or medical redshirt. But it is good to have her back. 

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I just saw this--get lost, dude. You ought to learn about medical redshirts, and take a look at Weekly's postgame video after last night's games, before popping off ignorantly.

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That's fine, but they aren't 'assessing' anything. The redshirt is gone. She will be playing again this season

The only possibility that she DOESN'T play again this year is if they screwed up monumentally and she got hurt again yesterday


Oh look, another instance in which you have stalked an SEC team. This is getting serious. You may need a therapist......I can see the snarly responses sweeping across your keyboard now...
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