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ElGarfio

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Why would Eriksen pull Jessica Moore in the 7th? Here's the situation: Bottom of the 7th Team USA leading 3-1. Barnhill pitching. An error and a walk induces a pitching change by Eriksen. In comes Jessica Moore who gets a fly ball and a ground out. Eriksen decides that he needs to pull Moore and bring in Carda? The first batter walks to load the bases and then a walk off grand slam. I don't understand the move in the rubber game of the series against the top ranked team in the world. What's the thought process?
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Maybe it's time for some new blood coaching our National Team. 
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I think it's the same thought process when he was in the NCAA tournament with the winning run on third and a left handed batter up, calling for the hit and run. The hitter missed the ball and the runner was out. He goes on to lose the game.
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He changes pitchers entirely too much in one game.
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Can someone tell me who started and the order they pitched? Can't make sense of these stats posted...
PITCHING         IP         H         R         ER         BB         K         HR
Danielle O'Toole         2.0         1         1         1         1         0         0
Ally Carda         3.2         4         3         2         2         3         1
Delanie Gourley         0.1         0         0         0         0         1         0
Ally Carda         3.2         4         3         2         2         3         1
Danielle O'Toole         2.0         1         1         1         1         0         0
Ally Carda         3.2         4         3         2         2         3         1
Kelly Barnhill         0.0         0         1         1         1         0         0
Jessica Moore         0.2         0         0         0         0         0         0
Ally Carda         3.2         4         3         2         2         3         1
Totals         6.2         5         5         1         4         4         1
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#RosterIPGSWLSVBSHBBKRER
3 Ally Carda 3.20000042332
5 Danielle O'Toole 2.01000011011
12 Jessica Moore 0.20000000000
22 Kelly Barnhill 0.00000001011
31 Delanie Gourley 0.10000000100
Team Totals6.21000054451
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The order after the starter is more difficult to ascertain with re-entry and whatnot
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These college coaches are trying to reinvent the wheel. I realize we are all armchair QB's but this is pretty basic stuff.  The worst coaching moves I've ever seen are made by college softball coaches. They get away with them more times than they should.Most of these "Big Time" Teams like Oklahoma get a recruit like Keilani Ricketts and Oregon, Jessica Moore, James Madison Megan Good. They are suddenly catapulted to championship status. They win in spite of their coaching shortfalls. I set my DVR and recorded all of the Softball Championship this year. The coaching mistakes and dumb moves are mind boggling. The Oklahoma shift? Comon Man! Yet she has back to back WCWS victories. Some of the best coaches I've seen are at mid majors and community colleges. If you want to see someone coach go watch a top tier community college coach. They can't afford to make mistakes if they do their athletes can't make up for it.
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Did OU and UO fall off the table after Ricketts and Moore graduated?

Again, among teams who have made the WCWS multiple times in the past few years, Gasso, Hutchins, Tarr and White have done incredible jobs

It's like those coaches are running at Darlington with restrictor plates against an unencumbered rest of the field.

There are mighty fine softball coaches at all levels -- and some slouches at the top whose ease of talent acquisition covers up in-game woes (like Jimmy Johnson in football -- great talent guy and motivator, awful in-game coach).

But, without question, the realm where mistakes in-game can LEAST afford to happen is in the high-speed game of elite P5.

Keep 'em coming, though

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My point is Ricketts and Moore made those average softball schools a force. They spring boarded off of them. Oregon was insignificant before Moore. Oklahoma did not become dominant until Ricketts. Couple that with money and facilities and you get athletes that want to attend your University. You can have Gasso as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure any college coach would win national titles with that group of girls. It wasn't Gasso's genius coaching that won the last two years or any of her titles. She's average at best.
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My point is Ricketts and Moore made those average softball schools a force. They spring boarded off of them. Oregon was insignificant before Moore. Oklahoma did not become dominant until Ricketts. Couple that with money and facilities and you get athletes that want to attend your University. You can have Gasso as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure any college coach would win national titles with that group of girls. It wasn't Gasso's genius coaching that won the last two years or any of her titles. She's average at best.


You'd think with that mentality that she'd have won with Ricketts all 4 years.  Beyond that, it's amazing how Gasgcoine (I always butcher that spelling) just developed on her own.

The fact that someone would insinuate that OU wasn't relevant until Ricketts showed up is interesting.  Surely she was the biggest piece for them, but OU has/had been relevant since 2000.
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Looks like he "out-thunk" himself. They are both righties, so that's not a factor. Maybe he just had more confidence in Carda against that particular batter (whom she walked anyway).
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I think it's the same thought process when he was in the NCAA tournament with the winning run on third and a left handed batter up, calling for the hit and run. The hitter missed the ball and the runner was out. He goes on to lose the game.


Unbelievable! It was one bad move after another. Again, great for armchair QB's like myself, but you have time to make decisions in softball. There's isn't a 25 second play clock.

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You'd think with that mentality that she'd have won with Ricketts all 4 years.  Beyond that, it's amazing how Gasgcoine (I always butcher that spelling) just developed on her own.

The fact that someone would insinuate that OU wasn't relevant until Ricketts showed up is interesting.  Surely she was the biggest piece for them, but OU has/had been relevant since 2000.

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I think a good coach would have won with Ricketts at least twice. 
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I think a good coach would have won with Ricketts at least twice. 


Spoken like a - 17 hour, 6 post expert.
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I think a good coach would have won with Ricketts at least twice. 


I think a good coach would've won twice with either Abbott or Osterman.
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I think a good coach would've won twice with either Abbott or Osterman.


Or once .
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Spoken like a - 17 hour, 6 post expert.


Let me get this straight? Because I just joined this site it's not possible to know what I'm talking about? I can see why you got the chin music. It isn't because you're a good hitter[tongue]

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I think a good coach would've won twice with either Abbott or Osterman.

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Agree whole heartedly!


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Let me get this straight? Because I just joined this site it's not possible to know what I'm talking about?


On second thought, I guess it's just coincidence that you just joined and you don't know what you're talking about!
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Kent Eriksen is overrated as a coach. I've said that for years. I know parents of girls that played for him at South Florida & they told me their daughters hated him because of his mind games & continuous tinkering with things. He overthinks & makes changes when he doesn't need to. 
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It went O'Toole, Carda, Gourley, Carda, O'Toole, Carda, Barnhill, Moore, Carda.

Moore got 2 outs in 2 batters and then coach brings Carda back to face a player who was 1/2 with hard single off of Carda. Eight pitching changes over 6.2 innings having given up 1 total run is a little much imo.
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It went O'Toole, Carda, Gourley, Carda, O'Toole, Carda, Barnhill, Moore, Carda.

Moore got 2 outs in 2 batters and then coach brings Carda back to face a player who was 1/2 with hard single off of Carda. Eight pitching changes over 6.2 innings having given up 1 total run is a little much imo.[/QUOTE

I didn't know you could exit and enter the game 3 times. It must be an international rule? 
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On second thought, I guess it's just coincidence that you just joined and you don't know what you're talking about!


Sounds like a struck a nerve.

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It went O'Toole, Carda, Gourley, Carda, O'Toole, Carda, Barnhill, Moore, Carda.

Moore got 2 outs in 2 batters and then coach brings Carda back to face a player who was 1/2 with hard single off of Carda. Eight pitching changes over 6.2 innings having given up 1 total run is a little much imo.[/QUOTE

I didn't know you could exit and enter the game 3 times. It must be an international rule? 


I believe Carda is in the lineup playing first when not pitching. 

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But is she allowed ANY warmup pitches if she is IN the game after having pitched once?
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Kent Eriksen is overrated as a coach. I've said that for years. I know parents of girls that played for him at South Florida & they told me their daughters hated him because of his mind games & continuous tinkering with things. He overthinks & makes changes when he doesn't need to. 


Not for nothin', but if you're going to speak as though people should consider you knowledgeable, you should likely know that our National Team's head coach's name is Ken Eriksen, not "Kent".
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I believe Carda is in the lineup playing first when not pitching. 



That makes sense!

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