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Dewey

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Not trying to be controversial but I am interested in understanding the difference between the labels some apply to Republicans.  I linked an article about something a Republican said and was told that's not a Republican but a RINO, (for those who don't know that means Republican In Name Only).  I get the feeling most Conservatives in here identify with the Tea Party.  My question is are there Republicans that are not RINO's or Tea Party types?  How would they be identified and are you willing to name Republicans who should not be placed in either category?  To this member, it appears you're either or.  Am I wrong?  For example, can you be pro choice and not be a RINO?
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For example, can you be pro choice and not be a RINO?

I know one. Married to her.

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Dewey, I consider myself a Tea Party member and not a Republican. 


Thanks Coach.  I didn't mean to pressure anyone into labeling themselves.  That said, based on your answer my followup to you would be is there a difference between a Republican and a RINO in your mind?  If yes, what would that difference be?
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wonder how many of us fans are coffee party members
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Go Ted Cruz!!  Want to see some shaking up in congress, let him win the Texas primary today!!
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kiir - You were the last to use the term RINO.  Would you care to explain the difference between a RINO and a Republican.  Bill says you can be a pro choice Republican and not be a RINO.  Do you agree with this?
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Funny to me, I have always said Rhino & must reference was to a politician of either party that has been around way too long & there are MANY of them that should go. The only problem today is that when they do leave, their son , daughter, grandkid or wife run for the seat & MANY times get elected.
Career politicians are a major part of our problem. Don't know where it was, but a while back I read an article about all the House & Senate members that when they ran said they would push for term limits & would not seek re-election for more than 1-2 terms. I think over 70% were still around, some even said God told them to run..lol.


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Funny to me, I have always said Rhino & my reference was to a politician of either party that has been around way too long & there are MANY of them that should go. The only problem today is that when they do leave, their son , daughter, grandkid or wife run for the seat & MANY times get elected.
Career politicians are a major part of our problem. Don't know where it was, but a while back I read an article about all the House & Senate members that when they ran said they would push for term limits & would not seek re-election for more than 1-2 terms. I think over 70% were still around, some even said God told them to run..lol.


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10er - I was just looking for a definition.  Keepinitreal used it in a post and I'd like to know how RINO, Republican, and Tea Party individuals are different.  I think there is only Tea Party and RINO and no Republicans per say.  If you vote for any tax increase whatsoever, you are a RINO.  If you are pro choice, you are a RINO, (Bill says otherwise but I'm waiting to hear from others).  I think Coach is saying all Republicans are RINO's unless they claim to be Tea Party members too.  I could be wrong and maybe he'll elaborate and tell me how one can be a non-Tea Party Republican and not be a RINO, or a Tea Party member without also being a non-RINO Repub, (his self description).  Recently, Senator Graham was called a RINO and I'm interested in how we tell.
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A republican is the R behind the name, just like D for democrat.  underneath that there are tons of subsets for both.  Rhino and Tea party could be considered subset.  However, many people who call themselves tea partiers say they are not a republican, bacause there are repubs that raise taxes.  TEA means Taxed Enough Already.  That is the binder for them, generally speaking.  They understand the govt has plenty of money and needs to be more efficient and cut spending vs increase taxes. 

Rhino stands for republican in name only, but tends to be more liberal in nature and actions.  Olympia Snow from Maine is probably one of the better examples of someone who would be considered a Rhino.

These are many people now that identify as independents, call themselves conservatives, but usually vote republican.

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kiir - You were the last to use the term RINO.  Would you care to explain the difference between a RINO and a Republican.  Bill says you can be a pro choice Republican and not be a RINO.  Do you agree with this?


*crickets*

Thanks Susan,

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bacause there are repubs that raise taxes.  TEA means Taxed Enough Already.  That is the binder for them, generally speaking.  They understand the govt has plenty of money and needs to be more efficient and cut spending vs increase taxes.


Susan, don't take the chum being thrown at you below

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 Last I heard Cruz was ahead by 10%
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Thanks Susan.  Can you be more specific?  Can you be pro choice and not be a RINO?  Can you be for some tax increases and not be a RINO?

Lastly, what would be the difference between a Tea Partier and a Republican who is not a RINO?
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Dewey no I can not be more specific.  Every republican has their different emphasis on different issues just like democrats do.Those terms are generalities just like blue dog democrat ia a general term but the priority of issues among that group is very individualized depending on the issue.
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sbmom - Thanks.  Maybe I can understand it this way.  Can anyone provide the name of a politician who would be neither a Tea Party type or a RINO? 

I'm still confused and I ask again, according to most of the Republicans inside here, am I correct that if you are a Repub who is not in the Tea Party, you are a RINO, or is Bill correct that you can be pro choice and still not be a RINO?  I understand everyone won't agree but I'm trying to understand the consensus meaning of RINO.
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sbmom - Thanks.  Maybe I can understand it this way.  Can anyone provide the name of a politician who would be neither a Tea Party type or a RINO? 

I'm still confused and I ask again, according to most of the Republicans inside here, am I correct that if you are a Repub who is not in the Tea Party, you are a RINO, or is Bill correct that you can be pro choice and still not be a RINO?  I understand everyone won't agree but I'm trying to understand the consensus meaning of RINO.
Maybe Senator Grassley from Iowa.

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sbmom - Thanks.  Maybe I can understand it this way.  Can anyone provide the name of a politician who would be neither a Tea Party type or a RINO? 

I'm still confused and I ask again, according to most of the Republicans inside here, am I correct that if you are a Repub who is not in the Tea Party, you are a RINO, or is Bill correct that you can be pro choice and still not be a RINO?  I understand everyone won't agree but I'm trying to understand the consensus meaning of RINO.
Maybe Senator Grassley from Iowa.

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Was our erstwhile governor, Arnold, a RINO?

Dewey, your namesake Thomas was accused of being a RINO.

To paraphrase a recent quote by Frank,

"Ask not for what label one toils, it identifies thee."

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10er - Thanks.  Do others think this is a good pick?  Now I'll have to research the Senator to see if I can figure out why he isn't a Tea Party type and he isn't a RINO.  It sure would be easier if those who understand the difference would explain it to me. 

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Bill - I think I know a RINO and I think I know a Tea Party person.  My confusion is determining if there is a third possibility in the Republican Party and how would they be defined?  With all due respect to your lovely wife, I believe the vast majority inside here would say your wife cannot be pro choice without being a RINO.  No one has said otherwise as of yet but maybe my conclusion is wrong.
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Dewey-

Are you asserting that pro-choice is the litmus test for the Republican Party?

My wife was "born" a Republican. Told to register as such by her mother at age 18. She listens to right-wing radio in the morning. When questioned why, she responded,

"It's easy."

And despite having a mixed political bag of beliefs, she's more Republican (fiscal) that Democrat (social) if nailed to express an opinion. She's not a political cat, but her voting record would lean far more right.

But a RINO? No. Would abhor Rep. Pelosi, Rep. Waters, Gov. Moonbeam, Hillary, etc.

One couldn't really pin a label on her, but one who would might make themself more recognizable.

Me? I'm Spartacus.


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Dewey-

Are you asserting that pro-choice is the litmus test for the Republican Party?



Not for me but for the Tea Party.  I'm suggesting if you're pro choice or willing to raise any taxes whatsoever, you're a RINO in the eyes of the Tea Party.  I know there are Republicans that will say "I'm pro choice and I'm not a RINO".  Probably quite a few would say that.  But not in here and that's who I converse with primarily.  I'm trying to decipher when I'm quoting/linking a RINO and when I'm not.   I suppose I'm directing this question to those who use the term.

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I do like how you started a thread because you were stumped in another thread about your misleading link of a congressman who will not make some concessions across the board.  That cat from SC doesn't represent all independents or all republicans.

By the way you want to know the definition of a tea party candidate?  Follow this year's election of future Texas congressman, Ted Cruz when he steam rolls the democratic candidate in November on the Texas ballot.  Google him, it will be fun to watch.  Talk about gridlock, let that clown come to town with a tea party led congress if he wins reelection.

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There are democrats that are not liberal. There are democrats that did not identify with nor support the occupy movement. There are republicans (like myself) who are moderate but not conservative. If all republicans were conservative and all democrats liberal then there wouldn't be a seperate distinction. There are gay republicans...gayrepublicans.org and logcabin.org. There are gay republican polititians. One ran for republican presidential candidacy. A democrat did too. There are republicans that belong to different religions. There are conservative democrats and liberal republicans. There are libertarians. There are tea party people that are conservative republicans, conservative democrats and conservatives that are neither democrat nor republican. That is why it is called the tea party. It is it's own group. As a republican you don't have to like or agre with rush, beck, etc. and as a democrat you don't have to like or agree with rachel maddows, michael moore, chris mathews, etc.
There are pro life and pro choice in every political party.
Ted Nugent and Condoleeza Rice are both very very different yet both Republicans.
We try too hard to categorize people  and slap a label on them when.
We are americans, canadians, germans, australians, japanese etc.....but if aliens attacked we would all be earthlings. And when they categorized us it would be by human, plant, animal.

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Dewey you want to put million of people into two, three, four nice, neat little groups.  Doesnt work that way for repubs any more than it does for dems.  We do speak in generalities but because we are people with different issue priorities we all are unique even in politics but do have some common issues.  
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CoachB25-

Your introspection is to be lauded. Would defend at every turn your right to assert such ideals.

However, I have to equally defend my favorite author, the now-deceased Douglas Adams, a self-proclaimed "radical atheist". In my eyes, you are both "good people".

Guess these lyrics would apply for many in the middle,

"I can swear there ain't no heaven, but I'll pray there ain't no hell."

For me, I'll just thumb my nose to both directions and follow my own compass. In that order.


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fhoenix - Ok, I knew you would do it some day and you have.  You have posted the best post that I've read in all my years of being on this website.  Is it necessary that extraterrestrials teach us who and what we are?   Wouldn't it be great if we would use our nature given intelligence to figure it out for ourselves?  Imagine !!     Frank
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Bill Smith - "Me, I'm Spartacus".    Brilliant,yet humorous because of the reference.   Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Mankind's institutions, most created by a need to do so ( gotta kick some dinosaur ass) or a mythology (Hey, did you see that thing that can fly?), have separated mankind into egg crate definitions.  We feel comfortable with generalities that have labels. It helps us to identify the good guys and the bad guys. In most cases these are harmless, perhaps even beneficial, but sometimes when they become absolutes with cement boundaries and fierce teeth, they create more harm than good.  Hey, when the "bad guys" get the obliteration weapon, we are in trouble unless more understanding minds prevail.

Honest - many of my best friends call themselves Republicans or Democrats.   Geez, I hope that's important (seems to be to them), but I'm not sure if it is to me.    Frank

PS - One day not too long ago I was coaching a high school softball team that eventually won a state championship.  During the semi finals a rain storm interrupted play and we retreated to our gymnasium, both "armies at war".  When I and the opposing coach finally got to the gymnasium, we saw both teams intermingled and sitting cross legged around my assistant coach at mid court.  She (best teacher I've ever met) was playing a kazoo, and they were all singing camp songs.  It was beautiful.  Some will remember the state championship trophy - I shall remember that moment in the gymnasium when two named adversaries met in mutual human caring celebrated through a common language.  Were it always so !!!  Imagine !!!     Frank

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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