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uwApoligist

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Spending leads to debt and taxes.  Taxes retrench the economy.  Taxes can be helpful to a certain point.  This assumes that government is being efficient in it uses of tax money. 

Certain road projects have been very instrumental in growing our economy. 

Don't spend enough on defense, get attacked and lose your capital, you will find out exactly why we have a central government in the first place.  While not likely now, because of our unparalleled military strength that was not necessarily true in 1935.   We also cannot discount the Chinese and Russians. 

There is a lot of the rest the our government is involved in currently that seems more wasteful than not.  Paying so many long term unemployment when there are so many jobs available.  Buying poor people phones cause they don't have one.  Paying for birth control.   Paying for illegal immigrants healthcare and education.  The road in Alaska that goes nowhere.  

These are all examples of waste. 

When the government wastes, it first removes productive money from our economy.  Instead of hiring someone, buying a new building or buying new equipment, or buying a car, the taxpayer or tax paying company pays taxes.   Even in the case of the road that ended up boosting the economy a lot, if they could have build that road for $90M instead of $100M, they would have left $10M in back in the economy, which would have gone to more productive uses.

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It's not the Federal Government's money. They didn't produce it, they confiscated it, and redistributed it according to their political leanings. It's not your money Socialists, and eGOP.
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Every year the Right is told they can take a tax cut because Government will cover it by lowering spending.  It will never happen.  More people are born, more go on SS, more enter education, more wars in the world, inflation, more security needed, etc., and they all require more spending.  The promise of lower spending is nothing but a falsehood to make Americans feel better about paying less taxes.  Get ready again as 2019 will probably bring yet another "right-leaning" politician making a promise you can reduce your tax obligation and still have the Government you so desire.  Please don't believe the next one.   


As usual, you are completely wrong.  We say that taxes need to be cut and spending needs to be cut in order to close the deficit.  But the Democrats and the traitorous RINOs don't have the guts to do what needs to be done with regard to spending.

Your premise that the 2000-2010 tepid growth in revenues being due to tax cuts is also wrong.  The economy was in the sh1tter which is why revenues went down.  Thanks Obama for overseeing the weakest recovery on record when it should have been the strongest based on the depth of the recession.

You spew lies but you will be caught every time.

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We need our research analyst Earlygrace to find the date Dewyllie started caring about debt and passing the cost of government programs on to future generations
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November 8, 2016
I’m not EG, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

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"Thanks Obama for overseeing the weakest recovery on record when it should have been the strongest based on the depth of the recession."

Members may appreciate knowing the 2010 US revenue of $2.1 trillion has been projected by CBO to be $3.9 trillion in 2020 which is very close to doubling in 10 years as history says should be the barometer.  Of course, the Trump tax cuts might change those numbers over the next three years so we'll have to see if they meet this projection.

This return to doubling US revenue over ten years illustrates the quality of President Obama
.  If the GOP had won in 2008 or 2012, I doubt US revenue would be anywhere close to what Obama passed on to Donald Trump.  No wonder he is #8 on the all time list.

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"Thanks Obama for overseeing the weakest recovery on record when it should have been the strongest based on the depth of the recession."

Members may appreciate knowing that I am Dewey.



Great analysis Dew.

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November 8, 2016 I’m not EG, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night




Well researched. Dewey is a slippery liar.

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"Thanks Obama for overseeing the weakest recovery on record when it should have been the strongest based on the depth of the recession."

Members may appreciate knowing the 2010 US revenue of $2.1 trillion has been projected by CBO to be $3.9 trillion in 2020 which is very close to doubling in 10 years as history says should be the barometer.  Of course, the Trump tax cuts might change those numbers over the next three years so we'll have to see if they meet this projection.

This return to doubling US revenue over ten years illustrates the quality of President Obama
.  If the GOP had won in 2008 or 2012, I doubt US revenue would be anywhere close to what Obama passed on to Donald Trump.  No wonder he is #8 on the all time list.


Name one thing Obama did that will have an impact on revenues between 2010 and 2020.

Obama is #8 on a list of highly liberal political science professors who inexplicably rate him above Reagan.  A completely meaningless list.

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He’s #8 because he raised taxes and racked up a record debt?

That’s a list I wouldn’t want to be on top of.
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Good news for America = bad news for Dewey.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/small-business-confidence-hits-record-in-2018-after-tax-reform-win.html



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The lower tax revenues have contributed to the largest February deficit in six years.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/12/news/economy/budget-deficit/index.html

Last month, the federal government spent roughly $371 billion, up $7 billion from February 2017. Tax receipts, meanwhile, fell to $156 billion from $172 billion a year earlier.

The CBO attributed the drop in revenue to higher tax refunds and a reduction in income and payroll tax withholding in the wake of the tax cuts that went into effect on January 1.

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The lower tax revenues have contributed to the largest February deficit in six years.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/12/news/economy/budget-deficit/index.html

Last month, the federal government spent roughly $371 billion, up $7 billion from February 2017. Tax receipts, meanwhile, fell to $156 billion from $172 billion a year earlier.

The CBO attributed the drop in revenue to higher tax refunds and a reduction in income and payroll tax withholding in the wake of the tax cuts that went into effect on January 1.


It's a good thing you've never cared about deficits.

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Heaven forbid people get to keep more of their money. That’s bad in lib land
Borrowing money to pay for porch sitters to make babies that’s good in lib land

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Using that logic, why not call for double the tax cuts and a deficit close to two trillion in a year?  Why did we stop where we did?  Imagine how happy everyone would be with much more money in their pockets.  Just think of how the economy would take off if business and wealthy individuals had a near zero tax liability?
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Using that logic, why not call for double the tax cuts and a deficit close to two trillion in a year?  Why did we stop where we did?  Imagine how happy everyone would be with much more money in their pockets.  Just think of how the economy would take off if business and wealthy individuals had a near zero tax liability?


Tell us all why you never once spoke about deficits while the debt increased by $10 trillion under Obama?  Why did you not care then but you care now?  Is it simply because it's red team/blue team?  That would be my guess.

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Once again, CEO number one takes a company from $1 million loss in year one, reduces it $200,000 per year and has a $200,000 loss in year five.  New CEO inherits loss of $200,000 and runs it back up to $1 million over five years.  Both CEO's suffer same total debt increase during there time as CEO but there is an important distinction between the two.  I'll leave it up to you to answer why stockholders liked CEO number one better. 
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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Once again, CEO number one takes a company from $1 million loss in year one, reduces it $200,000 per year and has a $200,000 loss in year five.  New CEO inherits loss of $200,000 and runs it back up to $1 million over five years.  Both CEO's suffer same total debt increase during there time as CEO but there is an important distinction between the two.  I'll leave it up to you to answer why stockholders liked CEO number one better. 

what?
10T in new debt under Obama.  

Trump already gave us one round of Tax cuts.  Sounds like he is interested in a second round.  Bully.  Working Americans keeping more of their money, depending on government less is a great thing.

Hopefully dems get serious about spending cuts, so we can bring the deficit under control. 


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Once again, CEO number one takes a company from $1 million loss in year one, reduces it $200,000 per year and has a $200,000 loss in year five.  New CEO inherits loss of $200,000 and runs it back up to $1 million over five years.  Both CEO's suffer same total debt increase during there time as CEO but there is an important distinction between the two.  I'll leave it up to you to answer why stockholders liked CEO number one better. 

Hey genius, the government is not a business. They produce nothing, they make no money. You analogy is as big a lie as all your posts

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I'm confident most readers can follow the analogy and comprehend the distinction between rising annual deficits versus declining annual deficits.
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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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I'm confident most readers can follow the analogy and comprehend the distinction between rising annual deficits versus declining annual deficits.

Can always tell when you get backed into a hole when you go into superior minded liberal mode trying to talk down to the lowly masses but just looking like a douche
Piss off you condescending prick.

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Once again, CEO number one takes a company from $1 million loss in year one, reduces it $200,000 per year and has a $200,000 loss in year five.  New CEO inherits loss of $200,000 and runs it back up to $1 million over five years.  Both CEO's suffer same total debt increase during there time as CEO but there is an important distinction between the two.  I'll leave it up to you to answer why stockholders liked CEO number one better. 


Your analogy is incorrect.  Here is a factual summary of the Obama years:

Year            Deficit          Inc in Debt      Deficit/GDP       Factors
2008             459               1,017              3.1%            Bank bailout; QE
2009          1,413               1,632              9.8%            Stimulus Act
2010          1,294               1,905              8.6%            Obama tax cuts; ACA
2011          1,300               1,229              8.3%            Debt crisis
2012          1,087               1,276              6.7%            Fiscal cliff
2013             679                  672              4.1%            Sequester; government shutdown
2014             485               1,086              2.8%            Debt ceiling
2015             438                  327              2.4%            Defense = 736.4b
2016             585               1,423              3.1%            Defense = 767.3b

What is notable here?  First, that Duaine is wrong.  Obama did not come in and immediately reduce the deficit.  It wasn't until the GOP took over Congress that the deficits decreased.  Obama did nothing at all to reduce the deficits.  Second, while Dems had the White House and Congress, Deficit/GDP was astronomical.  Third, Obama had a tax cut that Duaine has railed against for months now - but not when Obama did it.  Last, notice those years when the deficit was low but the debt increased substantially.  Is it possible that tax revenues declined?  On the other hand, the year after Obama's tax cuts, the deficit and the increase in debt stabilized.  Maybe tax cuts do work!

Duaine - do homework or shut up.

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The deficit column is the one that counts.  Declining deficits are the goal, not increasing deficits.  The debt number varies because of accounting procedures.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/11/04/there-is-no-budget-conspiracy-why-federal-debt-increases-by-more-than-the-deficit/#38a3d0754be9


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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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The deficit column is the one that counts.  Declining deficits are the goal, not increasing deficits.  The debt number varies because of accounting procedures.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/11/04/there-is-no-budget-conspiracy-why-federal-debt-increases-by-more-than-the-deficit/#38a3d0754be9



And did you notice that the deficit declined only when Republicans took control of Congress? Your attempt to give credit to Obama is obviously wrong.

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Declining taxes is actually the goal.  Let people keep their money, feed their own kids, buy their own education.  Sending all that money to DC just to have it squandered and wasted makes no sense.
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Obama inherited a huge FY 2009 deficit and then went to work on lowering it.  The point is the time for concern is when deficits rise, not when they shrink.  Lowering deficits during the Obama Administration, regardless who you want to credit, was a very good result. 


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html



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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Obama inherited a huge FY 2009 deficit and then went to work on lowering it.  The point is




You don't know the point Ozzy

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Can always tell when you get backed into a hole when you go into superior minded liberal mode trying to talk down to the lowly masses but just looking like a douche Piss off you condescending prick.



Now that's the proper attitude to take with a disingenuous person that lies during debate at every given opportunity.

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And did you notice that the deficit declined only when Republicans took control of Congress? Your attempt to give credit to Obama is obviously wrong.


It’s been explained to him and I posted the numbers.

Of course he ignored the facts.
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