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Of course it's possible to get past $24,000 in deductions.  Those who have $28,000 deductions in 2017 will probably have about the same in 2018.  Unfortunately, they'll lose the personal exemption allowance and possibly pay more in taxes.

If one wants a $1 wage increase and gets $.15 instead, will they be happy with more money or not?  I suppose it depends on the individual and it also depends if they see the higher paid get a $1 or more hourly raise.  Lots of variables still to play out.

As for Corporate tax rates, many Democrats were in support of lowering our corporate rates.  It's the tax cuts for wealthy people, and the added debt, which should outrage working Americans.


How much of tax cuts for the "wealthy" do you think increases the debt?  Given how much they already pay, letting them keep a little more of their own hard-earned money is going to have almost no impact at all on the debt.

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The Right used to gather in the street protesting against Government borrowing money and increasing our debt.  Now they gather in the streets to express thanks for borrowing more money so we can have tax relief.  I don't get the change but I can't help but ask again, why not double the tax cut?  Why not another one in 2019?  Let's really increase our take home pay and let others worry about paying off the debt.  Keep fooling Americans into believing there's wasted spending that will be cut to offset our borrowing. 
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The Right used to gather in the street protesting against Government borrowing money and increasing our debt.  Now they gather in the streets to express thanks for borrowing more money so we can have tax relief.  I don't get the change but I can't help but ask again, why not double the tax cut?  Why not another one in 2019?  Let's really increase our take home pay and let others worry about paying off the debt.  Keep fooling Americans into believing there's wasted spending that will be cut to offset our borrowing. 


That is a lie.  We are celebrating tax cuts (aka - letting the people keep more of their own money).  But we want spending cuts too.  

Why do you insist on creating lies in almost every one of your posts?

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Why not let them keep it all (tax money)?  Where do you want to draw the line?  Until you determine that line, keep telling Americans spending will be cut to offset our deficit.  It will never happen, because it can't happen without causing great harm inside our Country and to our national security, but keep telling them anyway.  Many wealthy aren't the least bit concerned about debt.  They found away around the future debt obligation to their offspring.  They found a way to accumulate wealth and then pass it on tax free.  No estate tax.  They're not stupid.
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This 2% won’t get a cut, that 2% won’t get a cut, the debt will increase, yada yada yada.

People don’t care. They’re getting more money in their paycheck. They care about that. It affects their everyday life, their standard of living, how they provide for their children. They’ll take the money and be happy to have it.

Thank you GOP! Thank you Trump!

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Will_I_Wynn

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"People don’t care."

Make that too many wealthy people don't care.

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Why not let them keep it all (tax money)?  Where do you want to draw the line?  Until you determine that line, keep telling Americans spending will be cut to offset our deficit.  It will never happen, because it can't happen without causing great harm inside our Country and to our national security, but keep telling them anyway.  Many wealthy aren't the least bit concerned about debt.  They found away around the future debt obligation to their offspring.  They found a way to accumulate wealth and then pass it on tax free.  No estate tax.  They're not stupid.


I support a flat tax that provides for basic welfare assistance and national defense.  Get rid of everything else the government does because all the rest is not what the Constitution guaranteed.  There - I just told you what level of taxes I support.

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"People don’t care."

Make that too many wealthy people don't care.


Another flat-out statement with no basis in fact.

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"People don’t care."

Make that too many wealthy people don't care.


The wealthy are taking on a larger share of the overall tax burden.

For the working class, anything that can pay bills, buy food, cloth their children, they will feel the greatest benefit of the GOP Trump tax cuts. They will take the money and be happy to have it.

They won’t be thanking Democrats.

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Why not double what the working poor gets in tax relief?  Why not make them really happy?  Why are we stopping here?  How does the Right come up with the right number?

As for lying, when in the world will some of you ever understand that an opinion cannot be a lie?  We make comments which we believe to be true.  Too many wealthy people don't care about our increasing debt and donate their money to the GOP to get tax relief, estate tax elimination, a right to disburse more pollution into air, etc.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Why not double what the working poor gets in tax relief?  Why not make them really happy?  Why are we stopping here?  How does the Right come up with the right number?

As for lying, when in the world will some of you ever understand that an opinion cannot be a lie?  We make comments which we believe to be true.  Too many wealthy people don't care about our increasing debt and donate their money to the GOP to get tax relief, estate tax elimination, a right to disburse more pollution into air, etc.


So we should double the zero that the poor are paying in taxes?

You said too many wealthy people don't care.  Doesn't sound like an opinion to me.

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Why not double what the working poor gets in tax relief?  Why not make them really happy?  Why are we stopping here?  How does the Right come up with the right number?

You can answer your own question on poor tax relief.  What is 1/2 of zero?  

They have the right number now.  it is zero. 

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Why not double those who are getting $1000-$3000 in tax relief?  Why stop here?  Why not fix the law so working Americans who will be paying more in taxes can get tax relief too?  If it's about making Americans happy, why not make them happier?  I have a feeling the Right knows Americans aren't completely happy about the tax bill just passed.
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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Hardly anyone is going to be paying more taxes.  Stop talking about it like it's a big deal.  It's not.
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"The wealthy are taking on a larger share of the overall tax burden."

There's an example of a fact.  I don't know if it's a true or false statement but it isn't an opinion.  Surely you on the Right can discern fact from opinion.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Everyone I know is getting nice tax relief.  Working middle class folks that desperately need that relief.
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Yep tax cuts help. My company keeps more of it's profits. My employees keep more of THEIR money. I am giving out raises to my employees this payroll. Democrats just don't understand that it's not their money to play with and dole out as they see fit. Government confiscates it from working people. People that don't work, or the "working poor" don't pay taxes, so they don't get a tax cut.
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I keep saying we should have doubled the size of the tax cuts.  Let's all have more money and be that much happier.  Why stop here?
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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Answer how much of a citizen's money the government should take and maybe someone will answer your question.
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Dewey thinks he's being cute by employing the same tactic those of us on the right use for minimum wage.  Of course, the situations are completely different but that is what he's reduced to.  Pathetic, really.
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That's like asking which Country has the best number on taxes...

- Country A takes 20% of citizen income in taxes and has a very high standard of living.

- Country B take 10% of citizen income in taxes and has a much lower standard of living.

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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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It's asking you how high taxes should be on working folks.  I don't think you have ever given us a solid number.
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Dewey, what do think is fair, and would make Liberals and porch sitters feel good?
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I keep saying we should have doubled the size of the tax cuts.  Let's all have more money and be that much happier.  Why stop here?



Absolutely, double the tax cuts! Triple them!

The more we cut taxes the more we have to cut government.

I’m all in on this plan.

It’s a conservatives dream. Glad you support it!

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We're allowing Dewey to take this conversation in the wrong direction.  The real question is what services should the federal government be supplying?  Once we figure that one out, then we can address the best way to fund it.

I bet if we returned to the principles of our founding fathers, we could really reduce taxes and we would find that those who want help, get help.

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What if it were necessary to collect half of our incomes to protect this Country in a very dangerous world?  Would that be too much?  How much of your income is worth protecting and caring for your family?  30%?  60%?

We determine as a society how much spending we need for the Country we want.  Those budgets and laws have been approved by our elected leaders and are in place.  It is also the obligation of our leaders to collect the funds necessary to pay for them.  This refusal to pay for wars, infrastructure, care for elderly, care for children, feeding the poor, national security, etc., is a disgrace.  Win the fight against spending and then reduce the tax obligation.  This backward approach is just stealing from another group of people (future generations) so our lives can be better today. 


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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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I keep saying we should have doubled the size of the tax cuts.  Let's all have more money and be that much happier.  Why stop here?

We need spending cuts and entitlement reform to make that happen.  You throwing in for it all?

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That's like asking which Country has the best number on taxes...

- Country A takes 20% of citizen income in taxes and has a very high standard of living.

- Country B take 10% of citizen income in taxes and has a much lower standard of living.

Our country has very little need for government.  You lower the tax rates to 10% and you will see the economy and standard of living shoot up for most people. 

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What if it were necessary to collect half of our incomes to protect this Country in a very dangerous world?  Would that be too much?  How much of your income is worth protecting and caring for your family?  30%?  60%?

We determine as a society how much spending we need for the Country we want.  Those budgets and laws have been approved by our elected leaders and are in place.  It is also the obligation of our leaders to collect the funds necessary to pay for them.  This refusal to pay for wars, infrastructure, care for elderly, care for children, feeding the poor, national security, etc., is a disgrace.  Win the fight against spending and then reduce the tax obligation.  This backward approach is just stealing from another group of people (future generations) so our lives can be better today. 


Enough to win the war. Americans have shown an ability to step up and provide for common defense when necessary.  

None of this says we need some massive peacetime handout government, right?

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But But, it's for the Chilren.
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