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OK so I should stay out of this.  I'm a Conservative and proud of it.  I was, until these past 2 years a conservative D.  NO LONGER and NEVER AGAIN. 

At what point should seniors citizens get out of political discussion?  NEVER!  In a recent poll, 28% of seniors citizens who lose their health care will NOT find a new Doctor.  In a discussion with a Doctor, I asked if this poll was valid.  That Doctor stated that he will not take another senior citizen.  Neither will his colleagues.  Rationalize it however you want, throw in any moral judgement you want, facts are facts. 

I get a feeling that many participants in this thread are West coast.  If so, you have no idea the uproar in the Midwest.  I consider myself a Tea Party Member.  Go ahead with all of trash the liberal media throws that way.  Fact is, what you saw in this most recent election WAS an uproar from the conservative middle.  NO not radical.  I'm not a radical myself.  I wanted to remain a D to the point that I constantly sent correspondence to my senators and representatives.  The typical response from my D representative in Washington was four and a half months in the making.  I'm not satisfied with that.  In short, I detest big government.  I've seen first hand what big government has done to my family and to me.  I won't elaborate but it is scary.  I support the Constitution of the U.S..  I see Obamacare as Unconstitutional.  But hey, if you are a major contributor to the D party, then you can get an exemption:



I see Cap and Trade (Cap and Tax) as part of a larger agenda based upon a farce.  I do not believe in Global Warming.  Anyone who had done due diligence has to know that 9 "facts" stated in "An Inconvenient Truth" have been disproved.  Not only that but that presentation was based upon agenda and not fact.  This was demonstrated when exposed and the guy in charge of the study not only admitted his agenda but also refused to step down.  If you've studied this, you know the "Hockey Stick" graph and know that their is a significant portion of the Middle Ages" removed from that graph due to agenda.  Well, I could go on and on. 



I'll wrap up and stop my ramblings by stating that many people still just don't get it.  The Republicans don't get that the Tea Party is not Republican.  The Democrats don't get it as demonstrated by their constant denial that this election WAS a direct statement about repudiating these last two years.  The Democratic Party goes further demonstrating their ignorance about how the majority of people feel by pushing Pelosi again in the House.  That's fine.  There is a reason the present administration is always attacking Fox News.  The reason is that mainstream America is turning on the liberal media and turning to the one station that represents their beliefs.  Deny all you want.  60+ seat change IS A STATEMENT and ignoring that statement will result in more drastic responses from the American people. 

Everything here is JMHO!  (My opinion and roughly $6 will get you an extra value meal from Mickey D's)
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CoachB - welcome, and politically speaking, welcome home.


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fanatic, I agree it does cut both ways.  Sorry to see that the voters re-elected Rangle as well. 



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and turning to the one station that represents their beliefs.


Are your beliefs based on facts or are your facts based on your beliefs? 


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My beliefs are based upon what I know.  As I say to my students, "I know what I know but I know what I know.  Many people know what they know but don't really know what they know.  I know what I know but I know what I know." 

Hey, I'm not buying in to any political agenda per what I watch.  However, if what I watch happens to represent what I know to be true then...  For example, my father's inhalers went from $250 to $750.  The rational for this rapid increase was that the pharmacutical companies were going to increase their rates before Obamacare began.  Then, my Dad was denied for the drugs he needs to live.  NOTE, "he needs to live."  He's 82, served our country in Korea etc. and never took a dime from the government until he was 80 and dying.  He didn't want to lose everything he worked for and leave nothing for his kids.  So, he decided he'd do without.  I had to get politicians involved to get him medical aid. 

If you are talking about a "believe system" per what I believe most Americans believe, they don't want big government and the "Age of Entitlement."  They want functional government that puts the people first and a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.  Not one that ignores the will of the people.  Yes, I watch Fox.  However, Fox has numerous people representing the liberal agenda and so, including Juan Williams, Mara Liasson and Bob Beckel, I deeply respect.  Just this past week, one Democratic House member pointed out that Fox always gives Democrats the opportunity to come on and speak.  Again, I don't consider myself a Republican.  I no longer will be a Democrat.  I am what I am based upon my belief that the Government should be small, the Constitution upheld, and the American citizen protected including our borders.
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CoachB25--Well said and welcome to the swamp!


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My beliefs are based upon what I know.  As I say to my students, "I know what I know but I know what I know.  Many people know what they know but don't really know what they know.  I know what I know but I know what I know." 

Hey, I'm not buying in to any political agenda per what I watch.  However, if what I watch happens to represent what I know to be true then...  For example, my father's inhalers went from $250 to $750.  The rational for this rapid increase was that the pharmacutical companies were going to increase their rates before Obamacare began.  Then, my Dad was denied for the drugs he needs to live.  NOTE, "he needs to live."  He's 82, served our country in Korea etc. and never took a dime from the government until he was 80 and dying.  He didn't want to lose everything he worked for and leave nothing for his kids.  So, he decided he'd do without.  I had to get politicians involved to get him medical aid. 

If you are talking about a "believe system" per what I believe most Americans believe, they don't want big government and the "Age of Entitlement."  They want functional government that puts the people first and a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.  Not one that ignores the will of the people.  Yes, I watch Fox.  However, Fox has numerous people representing the liberal agenda and so, including Juan Williams, Mara Liasson and Bob Beckel, I deeply respect.  Just this past week, one Democratic House member pointed out that Fox always gives Democrats the opportunity to come on and speak.  Again, I don't consider myself a Republican.  I no longer will be a Democrat.  I am what I am based upon my belief that the Government should be small, the Constitution upheld, and the American citizen protected including our borders.
 


Any questions?

Now, can anyone tell me with a straight face that this sounds like the ranting of a 'right-wing wacko', or is this simply someone who has had enough?  I'll go with the latter.

Another fine example of the Left losing its base...  

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Hey, I'm not buying in to any political agenda per what I watch.  However, if what I watch happens to represent what I know to be true then...  For example, my father's inhalers went from $250 to $750.  The rational for this rapid increase was that the pharmacutical companies were going to increase their rates before Obamacare began.  Then, my Dad was denied for the drugs he needs to live.  NOTE, "he needs to live."  He's 82, served our country in Korea etc. and never took a dime from the government until he was 80 and dying.  He didn't want to lose everything he worked for and leave nothing for his kids.  So, he decided he'd do without.  I had to get politicians involved to get him medical aid. 


A perfect argument for health care reform.  Same for the Medicare recipients that are being denied care because doctors won't accept Medicare any more.  Cost increases like you cite need to be contained.

A recent AP poll shows that only 39% agree with Republicans that want to repeal health care reform.  The poll shows that 58% support reform, and some of those think the plan should go even farther.

AP poll

Another area that must be looked at is federal and state pensions.  The Arizona Republic has started a series on what the Arizona retirement system is costing taxpayers, and it is a shocker!!  Retirement systems in many other states are underfunded now as well, and I'm sure the federal system is headed there, too, if it's not already.

Public pensions
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Now, can anyone tell me with a straight face that this sounds like the ranting of a 'right-wing wacko', or is this simply someone who has had enough?  I'll go with the latter.

Another fine example of the Left losing its base...  


DaddyO - I hope nobody here will say any such thing and you need not get all excited.  No wacko talk here so let's just welcome him rather than trying to interpret what his arrival means.  I'd like to think Coach just wants to chime in.

Welcome CoachB25 and thanks for contributing.  Let me add my $.02, (you'll quickly learn I usually do), on a couple of your concerns, "big Government and Age of Entitlement".  Other than health reform, (and if you were a Democrat you've known for some time that was coming down the pike), not sure what entitlements you're most concerned with.  What I see are credit card companies no longer entitled to abuse consumers.  Hopefully, Wall Street is less entitled to manipulate markets.  Yes, our soldiers are now entitled to a new GI bill but gotta think you agree they deserve such.  Maybe you think the unemployed are responsible for this near depression and are undeserving of extended unemployment benefits but hopefully when you see bankers saved, (I know you were against that too), you'll understand the enormous pressure to prop up some of our regular citizens too.

As for big Government, I'm not sure what that means.  Most citizens want police and firemen for protection.  They want their roads fixed, their skies monitored, and their food safe.  They want their Country protected, (I understand our military budget exceeds the next seven or so top nation's budgets combined).  Believe it or not, most people like the security of SS and Medicare.  This Country expects certain services provided and it's been that way for some time.  Other than so many being out of work, losing their homes, or seeing their retirement disappear, what changed from 2008 to 2010?  In my opinion, those economic concerns were the primary reasons for the unhappy electorate. 

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Dewey---Have a few minutes, so I'll bite. Health care did need need some reform. What we got was NOT reform, it was a reconstitution of insurance not "healthcare reform"! We now need reform more than ever and will need more as more of this atrocity is implemented. You do not make such a massive overhaul not knowing what they did not know! The answer is we can fix it on the fly is ridiculous! Why not make true reforms in a controlled manner and adjust as needed instead of the radical reconstitution that was done?

Credit Card companies cannot "abuse consumers" unless consumers do not pay attention to what they are doing. Read what you are signing up for! If you don't like it...Don't sign up. If the terms change, and you don't like it, cancel the card. It's called personal responsibility.

No one here ever said that the unemployed "were responsible for this near depression". Talk about a sensationalizing statement! Come on Dewey. And the unemployed were "propped up" (your term) with what they were entitled to, unemployment insurance as defined by the law. By the way, I was against the government bailouts as a whole.

As far as the security of SS and medicare goes......security for who? The illegal aliens receiving benefits? Yeah makes me real secure! And that 1% ROI makes me even more confident that I am going to see some return. And by the way, President Bush was not for privatizing SS. He was for giving citizens the option of taking a limited portion of the amount with held from checks to invest individually! It was proposed as an option and limited. Again..personal responsibility. Some of us have it and would like the opportunity to assure that we will get some of our money back before it is all given away to others.

Back to work now!

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softballfanatic - With regards to my statement regarding the unemployed being responsible for the near depression, you are right.  My point was to suggest that the unemployed were generally not responsible for their loss of jobs and retirement funds.  There were many other factors that resulted in their particular circumstance and to forget about them after their typical benefits run out, goes against everything this Country stands for.

As for your other comments, it serves little purpose for me to repeat what I've said so many times before.  There are those with wealth that abuse the system and there are those without that abuse the system.  I'd like to see it all come to an end but, until then, I'll continue to focus most of my concerns on the unfair advantages taken by those with the assets and the power.   

  
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Dewey - Do you have any statistics concerning the effects of downsizing and outsourcing on unemployment in the USA?  Both aid profit for wealthy entrepreneurs, but neither aids the USA"working man".  Usually folks blame whoever is in federal office for unemployment figures, but I don't see anyone discussing all the reasons that unemployment exists, including the role of corporate America in the scenario.     
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Mr. Bolton---Downsizing and outsourcing do not benefit exclusively "wealthy entrepreneurs", but shareholders as well. Many of whom are common middle class Americans with a 401K. Do you honestly believe that American corporations desire to outsource jobs to other countries? Don't you think they would rather keep them here in the USA? Unfortunately unions and intrusive confiscatory US regulations sometimes make it unreasonable to keep some jobs from being outsourced. JMHO


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I've spent the better part of a day or two talking politics with oldscout and softballfanatic.  Forty five hundred members and I can't get more than two to talk about the issues facing our Country today.  Why is that?  We're out of season, over here hiding in the misc section, doing no harm to anyone, and having an open conversation about what this Country needs and only a few of us can have a civil chat about what goes on around us.  Woody's hunting, Seabiscuit pretty much gave up, DaddyO's nearly MIA, and Vol chimes in every now and then.  I know there are some other regulars on the Right who don't come immediately to mind right now.

From my side, I appreciate the contributions of POV, masare, GoYard, GoHawks, and others but I'm surprised that less than one percent of our membership care to share their thoughts on the political news of the day.

Part of me gets why some choose not to contribute while part of me has no idea why many choose to stay away.  Do some of you find it necessary to be persuasive?  Do you think it's not worth the effort?  Maybe you feel this is the wrong forum.  Heck, if I get drawn into political talk anywhere else but here, the little lady says, hey how about we stop this now?  So this is the perfect place for me to share my thoughts and I'm shocked that few others feel the same.

I'll admit there are a few here that I wish would stay away but there must be hundreds out there with something to contribute.  Maybe they have another outlet or prefer not to mix softball with politics.  In any event, I can't help but believe their contributions here would be good for us and good for them.  And we'll never get in the way of college softball so please, don't be shy.
   


Dewey,
There is a saying that "people are creatures of habit" I like saying "creatures of survival" Many have survived by not talking religion or politics most of their lives and it is doubtful that they will start posting politics in a misc. softball section.

Many come here to escape. Softball is a game. The economy, war on Terrorism, health care, and political players are a reality some might not want to visit.

I also know most of the members on the board do not post. They enjoy reading the board. I know this because they are either buying me drinks at games or throwing them at me. Then they say...."that is for what you posted. I don't post but I read the board every day."

Yes there are probably many who don't care about politics, war on terror, or the economy etc. until it hits home. Many people are happy in their reality and don't like those subjects being pushed on them. This might be why I got into writing. I starting writing when shows like "Murphy Brown" and "Designing Women" were on the air. I always asked myself.....who is the audience they are trying to engage. Liberals nodded their heads in agreement and conservatives didn't bother turning on the show. Except the time Dan Quayle watched that episode of Murphy Brown

A show like Roseanne....that most (who watched it) viewed as a comedy got people from both sides talking because it was an average family in an average town living life. What I am saying is sometimes it is easier to talk about the subject when discussing it a less intrusive level sometimes.....especially when you are catching people trying to relax. Anyway.....it is a good time for me to post this:

http://www.nbc.com/news/2010/11/15/nbc-announces-new-mid-season-schedule/

Always pimping my shows

MONDAYS 
8-9 p.m. - "Chuck"
9-10 p.m. - "THE CAPE" will premiere with a two-hour episode on Sunday, January 9 (9-11 p.m.). New episodes start in its regular time period on January 17 (9-10 p.m.)
10-11 p.m. - "HARRY'S LAW' (beginning January 17)
9-10 p.m. - "The Event" (returns on February 28, 9-11 p.m.; resumes in its regular time slot March 7) 
10-11 p.m. -- "Parenthood" (debuts in this slot March 7 with all originals)




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LMSS - where does "Harry's Law" go when Parenthood comes back?


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This might be why I got into writing.


LMSS - See, you have your outlet.   And very good ones indeed.  Good luck with all your shows.

Actually, I hear you loud and clear and maybe I was offering up an invitation more than asking a question.  I don't know.  In any event, a dozen out of 4500 seemed quite low to me.  I'm certain there's more interest than that but, as you say, this probably isn't the perfect venue to share politics.  I'm OK with that and thanks for the input.
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LMSS - where does "Harry's Law" go when Parenthood comes back?



Maybe Parenthood will follow Conan ......joking.....no more drinks thrown at my head
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His victory, if I recall, was less than the majority of Obamas, but Bush made it very clear that he intended to do whatever he saw fit to do, regardless of the other side, as he earned that "political capital" with his magnificent victory.

How quickly we forget.

 


Indy, you sound like a kid with that stuff.....Here's what Ann Coulter says about kids...


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Brain research in the last five years at Dartmouth and elsewhere has shown that human brains are not fully developed until age 25 and are particularly deficient in their frontal lobes, which control decision-making, rational thinking, judgment, the ability to plan ahead and to resist impulses.



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LMSS rightly points out how this Softball website offers up an entertaining and informative escape for our many members at UCS.  Since my friend robocoach started this great website, I have been, and continue to be, a consistent contributor to the softball side as it relates to players, teams, Conferences, etc.  Once again, I have a relative who will begin her career in DI as a 49er and helps emphasize how my/our interest in college softball is the reason we are here. 

While I find absolutely nothing wrong with the interesting and informative subject of politics being included here in the miscellaneous section, and admitting I'm largely responsible for its continuation, I feel a need to point out how I agree softball is and should be numero uno here and that I'm not the one who brought politics into this forum.  A couple of Obama critics, who rarely post anymore, shared some thoughts in January of 09 and the rest is history.

I understand LMSS was in no way suggesting there was anything wrong with the political discussions we have here, but merely explained to me why there may be fewer involved in the discussions than I would expect.  She was right on.  This is not a political website and I certainly hope that anything that goes on over here has no negative effect on the softball forum in any way.     
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Well we all know that Katie Couric from the CBS Evening News is a liberal elite douchebag.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/27/katie-couric-the-great-unwatched/comment-page-1/#comments

I'd love to run into her on the street just to spit in that Old Bag's face. 

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Well...there's one negative effect.

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Well...there's one negative effect.

If you read his post carefully it might even be a double negative.

ANOTHER beautiful day here in the OZARKS, I see old man winter is lurking around the bend, but I sure can't complain with all the the wonderful fall trees & great weather.....God has certainly blessed me.

Bingo & I are headed to the hiking path for a 3 miler & to shop for a leaf blower,my little electric one, just doesn't cut it here surrouded by the treetops.

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Blue - just another of your regular contribution of negative posts.  Always good to hear from you.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rangel_ethics_trial

About time this 80 year old fart was found of wrong doing.  Time for the pimp to pack up his office and head back to Harlem where he can shoot dice on 115th Street with the other miscreants or even set up a 3-Card Monty Table on the corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd to bilk the public.

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Brain research in the last five years at Dartmouth and elsewhere has shown that human brains are not fully developed until age 25 and are particularly deficient in their frontal lobes, which control decision-making, rational thinking, judgment, the ability to plan ahead and to resist impulses.



I've been thinking about this since these studies have come out.  Seems like the legal system has been trying to get juveniles classified as adults at a younger & younger age.  12 and 13 year olds are being tried for murder as adults.  If we accept the studies' findings that our brains aren't fully developed until we're 25, should 22 and 23 year olds be tried for crimes as juveniles?  Seems like we can't have it both ways.....


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Should they not be allowed to vote?

How far can we take this?

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Heck if I have to pay insurance on them now until they are 26, I should get to vote for them too!!


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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/opinion/16hubbard.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

Pretty fair article on the tax subject...I know it's by a guy who served couple years under Bush,but give it a read.

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bluedog - Now I understand.  Ann Coulter is 24 years old.    
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bluedog - Now I understand.  Ann Coulter is 24 years old.    

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Ann. also says....

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It would almost be tolerable if everyone under the age of 30 just admitted they voted for Obama because someone said to them, "C'mon, it's really cool! Everyone's doing it!"

We trusted them, and now we know it was a mistake.

  


And, this.....

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Jimmy Carter was such an abominable president we got Ronald Reagan, tax cuts, a booming economy and the destruction of the Soviet Union.

Two years of Bill Clinton and a Democratic Congress got us the first Republican Congress in half a century, followed by tax cuts, welfare reform and a booming economy -- all of which Clinton now claims credit for.

Obama's disastrous presidency has already produced Republican senators from Massachusetts, Wisconsin and Illinois; New Jersey's wonder-governor Chris Christie; and the largest House majority for Republicans since 1946.

We deserve more.


Makes sense to me....But, I'm not the political expert like some....

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