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MHSDad2009

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I thought I knew the answer to this . . . clearly I was confused?

The D's been talking (email, phone) with a number of colleges and several of them were at a tournament this weekend in Chicago.

They came to watch, even said hello to my wife and the coach, but when the D came over to chat, 3 different schools said something to the effect "can't talk, we're at a tournament".

????

I thought, after July 1, talking off campus was cool...but not at a tournament?

I'm so confused.


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After the team is done playing in the tourney.

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I had the same problem last summer after my daughter had verballed to a school.  The coach from the school was at the Aurora Fireworks tourney and I thought I could talk to him, but I couldn't.  He could have talked to my daughter after the tourney was over.  Now that she's signed and has completed HS the coaches were talking to us freely at the Batbuster tourney, but still couldn't talked to the players until after the tourney was over.  So many rules...still don't understand them all.

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Even after July 1, coaches have to be selective in when they can visit with you the parent and the player.  They are limited in the number of personal "contacts" off campus that they can make with you and they usually choose to do it when they can visit both with you and the player that day.  Thus, normally they wait until the team is done playing and the player available.  Can they do this before tourney is over?  Yes.  But usually a better policy to wait until team is eliminated and the discussions can be about opportunities without getting in way of the tournament play for the player or their team.  Boulder and Aurora tournament are structured around July 1 (and not the July 4 holiday) to allow coaches to make the initial contact after that tournament. 

As for having already signed and coaches still not talking to players, any time a coach talks to a player, even though they have signed, it still looks like a coach is recruiting a player during the tournament, something most tournaments forbid or at least ask not occur.  So what may be a legitimate contact can appear to be otherwise.  So coaches choose to not make contact to avoid the misperception. 
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13.1.7.2 Practice or Competition Site.

 

(d) Contact shall not be made with the prospective student-athlete involved in competition that requires more than one day of participation (e.g., a basketball tournament) until after the prospective student athlete’s final contest is completed and he or she is released by the appropriate institutional authority and leaves the dressing and meeting facility; and (Revised: 1/11/94)

 

http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_i_manual/2007-08/2007-08_d1_manual.pdf

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Parents, if you really want to talk to a coach, do not forget that there are many ways that can be done.
Rules are made to be followed, but do not forget that there are many ways one can do things because it is in the Gray area.
SBrules

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Chapple, college coaches CANNOT talk to a player during competition (tournament) until they are put-out of the tournament and their coach "releases" them.


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Even after the player as signed a NLI, even right before she goes off to school, the coaches cannot talk to a player until after she is done with a tournament.  It might count as one of their few recruiting contacts (not sure).

Good point, that only applies to NCAA.  NAIA and JC coaches do not have to follow these rules.

My daughter was weeks away from going off to school, her new coaches came to see her play but they could not talk to her.


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Chapple

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Chapple, college coaches CANNOT talk to a player during competition (tournament) until they are put-out of the tournament and their coach "releases" them.


To clarify I think lefty is more correct in the rules.  Coaches cannot talk to a prospective student athlete which is defined in the rules as well.  All players are not necessarily prospective student athletes (as defined by NCAA rules), thus visiting is IMO still permitted for some players, just not a good practice for coaches. 
SBrules

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A PSA (prospective student-athlete) is anyone after they enter 9th grade and until they have attended their first day of college (can be summer school prior to freshamn year IF they are getting athletic aid for summer school).

Lefty

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SBRules is correct.

13.02.11 Prospective Student-Athlete.

 

A prospective student-athlete is a student who has started classes for the ninth grade. In addition, a student who has not started classes for the ninth grade becomes a prospective student-athlete if the institution provides such an individual (or the individual’s relatives or friends) any financial assistance or other benefits that the institution does not provide to prospective students generally. An individual remains a prospective student-athlete until one of the following occurs (whichever is earlier):

(a) The individual officially registers and enrolls in a minimum full-time program of studies and attends classes in any term of a four-year collegiate institution’s regular academic year (excluding summer); or

(b) The individual participates in a regular squad practice or competition at a four-year collegiate institution that occurs before the beginning of any term; or (Revised: 1/11/89, 1/10/90)

(c) The individual officially registers and enrolls and attends classes during the summer prior to initial enrollment and receives institutional athletics aid. (Adopted: 4/28/05)

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We can not talk to any PSA's until after the tournament has ended and the coach has officially released them for the day. Period. As stated in the rules above, a PSA is a player who has started classes for 9th grade. So those phenomenal 2012's are technically fair game to anyone... until the NCAA realizes how out of control recruiting is becoming and change the rules to include anyone who can walk as a PSA.
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Unless things have changed dramatically in the 3 years subsequent to my daughter's recruiting days the rules mean nothing.  I often talked to coaches during tournaments.  It was a kind of hit and miss thing but I'd say about 60% of the coaches had no problems with casual conversations.  Many are very personable and really want someone to talk to about softball.  After a while it became kind of a game to see which coaches would talk and which coaches didn't. 

Recruiting can be a lonely job.  They can't really talk to the other coaches, they're competitors after all.  Once they knew my daughter had already committed to college they'd often open up more.  Most of the time it was discussions about softball in general or how the tournament was being run or other non-specific topics.  Sometimes, though, they would ask me about players on my daughter's team.

I believe that the rules defined by the NCAA are largely unenforced in softball.  The only way they'd ever know of a violation is if another coach snitched.  At that point it's only hearsay and an investigation would need to be conducted to make sure that the snitch isn't lying.  I don't think the NCAA wants to spend much money on softball and most of their investigating funds are probably geared to football and basketball.  Other sports only get investigative funds if they get the attention of ESPN or a popular blog.

So, the rules can be repeated over and over on forums like this, but they really mean very little in this sport.

SBrules

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I agree some coaches will talk to parents, BUT being competitors as metioned above they won't talk to the player themselves due to fear of being turned in by a rival coach.

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