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JoiseyGuy

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old scout - No problem.  Bring back all the work that is outsourced for more profit and rehire those cut back or "downsized" and that certainly would help.  Hey, entrepreneurs and CEOs are doing all right in this country (check the market), and isn't that what is really philosophically important when the economic system of a nation actually becomes the government and the economic system is capitalism?  "Follow the money, Danno".  
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old scout - No problem.  Bring back all the work that is outsourced for more profit and rehire those cut back or "downsized" and that certainly would help.  Hey, entrepreneurs and CEOs are doing all right in this country (check the market), and isn't that what is really philosophically important when the economic system of a nation actually becomes the government and the economic system is capitalism?  "Follow the money, Danno".  
Yes,many entrepreneurs & CEOs are doing great,so are a lot of the union leaders & politicians[ many have become very wealthy while serving[] their country.

Maybe we could get some of those jobs back if we lowered some of the rates and closed the loopholes,etc.total tax reform might be the answer,the last 100 years seems like we have just been raising them & lowering them & raising them again,same old thing...doesn't seem to be working...maybe its time to try something new?

Doesn't it bother you just a tad when the President of the United States is talking about somebody[anybody] " DECIDING HOW MUCH OF THE MONEY YOU EARN THAT YOU GET TO KEEP"? Just don't sound right to me.

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old scout - I believe that what you have accurately described is greedy unions and greedy corporate management.  That combination certainly makes for USA internal labor economic problems since profit is the ONLY value involved.    
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old scout - No, it doesn't bother me one bit.  I believe in graduated income taxes. What bothers me is wasteful spending and pork barrel legislation, as well as corrupt practices in entitlement programs to both the rich and the poor as well as questionable foreign relations financing.  I favor close oversight and effective use of every tax dollar.  Personally I have never sought loopholes in paying my federal taxes except when I had my small corporation and learned what loopholes really are.  As my neighbor who owned a business said to me, "People who work for a paycheck have nothing to hide from the government".                                                                                             

 Locally, I couldn't wait to pay my municipal taxes and say "Thank you" because in return my family received a great school system, very effective snow removal, road care, terrific garbage pickup, several great playgrounds and a public lake for the kids, city water and sewers, free wood chips, good police and fire departments, ambulance service, and several services I haven't listed.  Like all citizens, I have paid numerous per capita taxes in my lifetime that support both state and federal coffers.  My municipal taxes were a great purchase.       

From my federal government taxes  I get excess and wasteful spending, unbridled corruption in entitlement programs,  and increased taxes to support questionable foreign relations spending and use of the military, and a bloated hierarchy in government with many excesses in personnel, and an ineffective Congress which seems to care more about Party and personal political career than our nation and all its citizens.  Get my perspective?  I resent that my tax dollars at the federal level support an ineffective and corrupted organization that gives only mouth honor to my nation's philosophical ideals and attendant needs when in fact it has literally become the stepchild and plaything of our political economic and media systems.                                                                               

At present both my state and my federal government are feeling the economic effects of a former credit card maxed economic philosophy that helped make some citizens very wealthy.  Who will pay the piper for that dance?  Already in retirement I receive no COLA for the  last two years for retirement or social security and evidently none until at least 2013.  Simply said, that means I have less buying power to help pay off former government's debts that aided me not one bit.  I do hope that everyone else is also charged with debt repayment on an ability to pay basis, "graduated" if you will.   "From those to whom much is given, much is expected".  

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old scout - No, it doesn't bother me one bit.  I believe in graduated income taxes. What bothers me is wasteful spending and pork barrel legislation, as well as corrupt practices in entitlement programs to both the rich and the poor as well as questionable foreign relations financing.  I favor close oversight and effective use of every tax dollar.  Personally I have never sought loopholes in paying my federal taxes except when I had my small corporation and learned what loopholes really are.  As my neighbor who owned a business said to me, "People who work for a paycheck have nothing to hide from the government".                                                                                             

 Locally, I couldn't wait to pay my municipal taxes and say "Thank you" because in return my family received a great school system, very effective snow removal, road care, terrific garbage pickup, several great playgrounds and a public lake for the kids, city water and sewers, free wood chips, good police and fire departments, ambulance service, and several services I haven't listed.  Like all citizens, I have paid numerous per capita taxes in my lifetime that support both state and federal coffers.  My municipal taxes were a great purchase.       

From my federal government taxes  I get excess and wasteful spending, unbridled corruption in entitlement programs,  and increased taxes to support questionable foreign relations spending and use of the military, and a bloated hierarchy in government with many excesses in personnel, and an ineffective Congress which seems to care more about Party and personal political career than our nation and all its citizens.  Get my perspective?  I resent that my tax dollars at the federal level support an ineffective and corrupted organization that gives only mouth honor to my nation's philosophical ideals and attendant needs when in fact it has literally become the stepchild and plaything of our political economic and media systems.   

Wow JG, now instead of being a Socialist, big central government type, you express your like of local and state control. Confusing, you almost sound like conservative Tea Party member. Please slap me up aside the head with a rich Robber Baron statement and wake me, because I must be dreaming. 

I do have a question regarding income taxes. If a reported 50% of our citizens pay only pay 3% of income taxes, isn't it time they paid more and shared in the sacrifice? I think the top 10% are paying about 68% of all taxes, should we make them pay more? The top 1% pay about 38% of all taxes. Who is paying the bills, and who is hitching a ride? How about the EIC that refunds you money you didn't pay in? If we are going to suffer, lets make the other half of the population give SOMETHING. $20-$100 bucks a year from half the population might go a long ways to make sure that everyone suffers across the board. Lets all eat our peas and suffer. What a bad way to communicate with the American public. 

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woody - First of all, I have many conservative leanings, all of which evidently are overshadowed in others' eyes by my absolutely liberal leaning social concepts.  Second, I don't like to use your percentages when deciding who should pay what in federal taxes.  Wealthy folks never mention, for obvious purposes, what they have left after taxes.  I remember Ken Lay's wife weeping and whining on TV that they had only one mansion left of their four after repaying the money he stole from the corporation's retirement benefits.  She cried out, "We're penniless", and from her warped perspective perhaps she was (with only one mansion in Aspen), but not from the perspective of the working poor or even the middle class (God must have loved the poor and the middle class because he made so many of them ).  No one is denying rich folks  an affluent lifestyle.  If you want to use percentage of yearly gross income in a graduated system, that would be fine with me.  Statistics don't lie, but statisticians do - to the benefit of their perspective.                                                 

A long time ago I posted "Give me an issue and I will tell you where I stand on it".  On many issues I am very conservative.  On others I am either moderate or liberal.  I simply try to make up my own mind and don't follow any Party, finding too much that I disagree with in both, and besides I believe that Party Politics are ruining a once great nation.  I have voted "compassionate" Republican and "Hope and Change" Democrat, and the only President I've really liked personally was John F. Kennedy (beloved of all north of the Mason-Dixon Line), and he didn't live long enough to give me a good look at his Presidency. I thought that Bobby would have made a better President.                 

 In my opinion, FDR had more to do with preserving Freedom (a much overused word today and the best of who we are as a nation)  in the USA and in the world, and establishing a micro economic system that ultimately (with the aid of a World War), brought our nation out of a Great Depression that I remember well, and served all the citizens, even while circumnavigating our Constitution and several federal laws to do so.  Ronald Reagan, beloved of a particular bent and a terrific speechifier, led an administration that began the "debt is good" (as Dick Cheney said) credit card concept adopted by later Presidents to the detriment of the nation at large (note our trillions of federal debt) and the benefit of wealthy people, and now you and I (and they) pay the piper.                                       

To add to my sometimes liberal and sometimes conservative stance, I believe in certain socialist concepts that I feel are necessary to curb absolute capitalism to the benefit of all citizens in our nation. Theoretically we are a nation and not  an economic system.   I believe in capitalism, but not unbridled capitalism (hence your accurate Robber Baron statement).  So, pick and choose what you like and don't like, but I shall continue to think as I do until someone changes my mind or I'm in my urn in the Veterans' cemetery.  Sincere good fortune to you in agreement or disagreement.   

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Mr. Bolton---You previously stated, "From those to whom much is given, much is expected".  

I would intepret that to mean something that you may not. Why do we not apply that same quote to those who are recipients of the numerous entitlement programs with which you support? Should we not expect them to meet certain standards? Should we not demand that they be drug free? A great many of our income earners must meet such a test? Should we not limit what they may spend their receipts on? I think that it is a one way street and that your quote is slightly off reality. I think your application of the quote is directed at those who have earned not those to whom much has been given? JMHO




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fanatic - I was a Social Worker for a spell and experienced first level everything that you write about.  I could not agree with you more, but ineffective oversight allows for corruption and the concept of "welfare families".  Thank you for writing what you have, and you may apply the same criteria to Congress.   

I have already said that I applaud the concept of a graduated income tax.  That was the thrust of my use of the quotation.  For example, I applaud Bill Gates for doing his part, and several football players for doing their part (Homes For the Holidays comes to mind).  Once again, I insist that no one is trying to deprive the very wealthy of an opulent lifestyle, and corporations should do their part also.  It's just that some have so much to give, and there are so many legitimate needy (and of course there is stealing  from the government -that's us- and corruption of the system).  To me the problem is created when Congress gets their grubby hands on tax monies. Sometimes we forget in our greed that we are a nation of citizens.   -

PS - I can see what you mean in your interpretation of what I wrote (it's not what I mean, but it is apt).  I am in favor of "hands up", not "hands out" so called "entitlement" packages.  There is a difference.  However, even in hands up groups and laws, corruption reigns.  I know a guy who cashed eleven "ghost checks" while he was in charge of "Operation Head Start" for inner city kids, a well intentioned organization corrupted but why not investigated.  We need so much more oversight by "clean" people.  At present, so much is designed as political kickbacks or political plums. and guess who is paying the bills.  Our method of elections, media control, and government are unhealthy and need a cleansing to become legitimate.  Political Parties are the worst answer that I can think of.   Media pandering to a particular aspect of the political spectrum is the other.  Some media people have ridden the political horse into becoming millionaires or multimillionaires by pandering to a particular Political Party or political group.  In the meantime, who is watching the governmental cash box???  

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Fanatic and Mr. Bolton-Amen!

What is going to take for the people to wake up?
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A lot to absorb but here goes...
 
 
There are some Conservatives here that simply want to take a shot at Obama and move on.  I understand this and I have no expectations of engaging them in any political discussion.  I'm sure they'd rather I just stay away and not challenge them on their accusations.  My thoughts at the start of this thread were not really directed at them.
 
Instead, my original post was addressing the few of you who want to make a Conservative case, appear interested in having a discussion, yet often depart when I chime in.  If you are in the bash Obama group and wish not to have a back and forth, just say the word and I'll leave well enough alone.  Nobody has to explain their position to me if they don't want to.  I simply became exasperated when most avoided expressing their positions in my Republican thread, ignored my request for spending examples when complaining spending was still out of control, and then ignored my request to explain what doom was expected if Obama was re-elected.  Other than bluedog using the fact the wars have not ended as examples of spending out of control, and a couple members who were willing to express some of their political positions, nobody accepted the challenge to engage.  This led me to wonder why we do any of this at all?
 
Now to some of you who responded:    
 
DJPort - Welcome to the misc forum.  I wasn't really going anywhere just expressing a little frustration with a few who tend to post but often refuse to discuss.  I have asked several questions here to determine the positions of Republicans and one member found them to be designed to make Conservatives look bad and suggested they not respond.  Unbelievable, particularly if you're trying to persuade an independent listening audience.  I simply wanted to use these positions as interesting fodder for various discussions.  For example, I want to discuss the pros and cons of the loss of Medicare and SS.  Could these programs work as State programs?  I had many others like should inoculations be mandatory?  I can't form a discussion until I understand the positions of others.  I got the feeling they didn't want to tell me, which led to my frustration.
 
oldscout - As far as I know, you never criticized President Bush while in office so asking me to do similar is unfair.  If I asked you if the newly elected Republican majority House is making this Country worse, are you going to say maybe yes?  If it's your intention to be a bit persuasive and suggest this Country is better off under Republican control, you probably shouldn't.  I believe President Obama has actually made the Country much better so don't expect me to say he's made it worse.  What you can expect is for me to ask for specifics when others say he's made it worse.
 
Bush lost jobs for 13 consecutive months before President Obama took over.  Why didn't he stop this downturn.  Why didn't he do something to turn it around?  Why didn't any of you post concerns?  Why didn't you say we were doomed if another Republican followed?  Would either Bush or McCain have ever turned it around?  Now that Obama has, everyone wants to know why he hasn't grown the number of jobs larger and faster?   Seems very odd to me.  IMO, it's all a bunch of campaign rhetoric around a very complex and serious economic problem.  The only answer any Republican will accept for a solution is cut more taxes.  I also believe it's not in their best interest to see the economy improve so I expect very little help from them.   
 
As for the budget, the President has presented a plan and it was voted down.  Rest assured, he has told the Speaker what he wants on numerous occasions.  It's all up to them to pound this out and see what each side will accept.  There is no need to lay out plans to the public if the other side won't accept them.  There is no need to negotiate in public.  An Obama plan only brings criticism from the Right.  I wouldn't give them the opportunity either.
 
You are going to have to present some examples of "mean spirited" comments I'm accusing the "non pot shot Conservatives" of making here or the "incorrect facts" you allege I make in order for me to believe you.  Finally, please avoid asking me to find wrong with my Party.  We are standing at different podiums making a case to an audience over which Party is best for this Country.  I am not going to make any points that may help you with your side of the debate.  That's for you to do. 
 
bluedog - You never fail to amaze me.  Let me see, I say Republican ideology is harming this Country greatly.  Is that truth or opinion?  Might depend upon who you ask.  Some subjects I can't argue with you but I'm relatively sure you can't always be the expert on truth.
 
LMSS - I understand many have no interest in the subject of politics and I'm not asking them to join in.  I am saddened that many readers found the site objectionable and seemingly left.  Instead, I'm asking the ones who appear to want to "talk shop" to actually do it.  Take the challenge if you have faith in your positions.  I'm asking the fair minded regulars to not listen to those that want you to ignore posts.  Stand behind the elimination of Medicare if that's what you believe in.
 
softballfanatic - I'm saying spending will go up every year from here on out, (outside of any one time aberrations like the stimulus where the following year may drop back down).  Guaranteed.  The percentage increase is what's important and I have predicted if Obama goes another four years, his eight year percentage growth will be less than Bush or Reagan.  We're in dire straights mostly because of a revenue crash.  You can use the historical tables and make your own case if you think I'm wrong.  Just saying he has raised spending to a new level is not good enough for me.  Heck, just the large debt Bush added on increased the interest spending required in the Obama budget.  I need specifics and have asked for them repeatedly.  Outside of the stimulus, what department increases or what specific spending has you most concerned and represents your "to a new level" claim?   
 
As for revenue, you know Clinton raised taxes to 39.6% and reformed welfare, with Congress input.  The budget was then balanced.  Republicans follow with a win and they lower tax rate back to 35%.  When you win, you get some of your way.  Perfectly understandable.  Of course, couple the Bush cuts with everything else and he really hurt us economically.  Now Democrats win and want to raise it back to 39.6% and Obama becomes worst ever.  Craziest reaction I could ever imagine.  Makes no sense at all.  But your point is more that the tax burden is too much towards the rich and should be shifted.  I disagree and there is really nothing more to debate.  A difference in philosophy I suppose.  One day a few may earn all the money and pay all the taxes.  Then what?  That said, I wanted to point out one area I think you are very wrong about.  Every commentator I ever hear says Corporations don't pay taxes, they pass them on to the consumer.  Both Left and Right repeat this daily.  If you believe this, you then know almost every citizen is contributing to the revenue generated by our Government and to imply otherwise appears to be misleading.  Add to the fact we all get the first several thousand in income tax free and there should be no reason to continue asking for income taxes from the poor.    
 
indyrun - Thanks again for the nice words. 
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I'm relatively conservative Dewey, so you can have a discussion with me hopefully.

In one of your questions you asked should education be mandatory.  On a side note, what's your opinion of school vouchers?
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When I write about Party politics unfortunately for America's citizens coming before national needs, Republican Mitch McConnell's recent quotation about debt ceilings comes to mind - "I refuse to aid Obama's reelection".  Just great coming from an opposing Party leader.  Nothing about what's needed by our nation - just  don'r let the opposition get reelected.  Sad  day for my version of America.  
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JG - You're right.  Politics is now like a Super Bowl game.  Fanatic fans on one side or the other want to win so bad they can taste it.  It's not always pretty.  Meanwhile, all the other folks realize if this side wins or that side wins, they lose.  Must be frustrating, for sure, whenever winning is all that matters. 

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I want to make sure I'm seeing something right.

Dewey - are you saying that one does not have faith in their positions if they choose not to answer questions asked of them?

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When I write about Party politics unfortunately for America's citizens coming before national needs, Republican Mitch McConnell's recent quotation about debt ceilings comes to mind - "I refuse to aid Obama's reelection".  Just great coming from an opposing Party leader.  Nothing about what's needed by our nation - just  don'r let the opposition get reelected.  Sad  day for my version of America.  

Joisey

There's nothing quite like taking a quote out of context to make your enemies look their worst.  But you are a champ at that tactic.  This is the entire quote in the context it was meant to be:

"[W]e knew shutting down the government in 1995 was not going to work for us. It helped Bill Clinton get reelected. I refuse to help Barack Obama get reelected by marching Republicans into a position where we have co-ownership of a bad economy," McConnell said. "It didn't work in 1995. What will happen is the administration will send out notices to 80 million Social Security recipients and to military families and they will all start attacking members of Congress. That is not a useful place to take us. And the president will have the bully pulpit to blame Republicans for all this disruption."

"If we go into default he will say Republicans are making the economy worse," he concluded. "And all of a sudden we have co-ownership of a bad economy. That is a very bad position going into an election. My first choice was to do something important for the country. But my second obligation is to my party and my conference to prevent them from being sucked into a horrible position politically that would allow the president, probably, to get reelected because we didn't handle this difficult situation correctly."

For the record, President Obama was on TV yesterday scaring the public by telling them that they may not get their social security checks if Republicans don't get on board with his plan.  Point being, the political games are in play on both sides, but you conveniently neglected to repeat that part of the story.

To say that I am tired of your cliche filled, context twisting, hateful attacks on conservatives would be an understatement. While many around here are impressed with your ability to quote others at the drop of a hat, I for one would be much more impressed if just once you used your own thoughts and words, without the endless cliches and ancient quotes and thoughts of others you've repeated in so many countless posts over these many years.  It would also be equally as refreshing if you held liberal (Democratic) politicians and individuals to the same standard you seem to hold Republicans and call them out with equal disdain and glee.  I normally wouldn't expect that from anyone, but, you appear to like to portray yourself as above it all and an unbiased observer of all.  I actually don't believe that for one second, but it's the image you like to claim.  

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Dewey - are you saying that one does not have faith in their positions if they choose not to answer questions asked of them?


If you come into this forum and make like a contributor but fail to engage in discussion, I guess I am questioning your motive.  Why come here and say Medicare should go away but then be unwilling to debate the pros and cons of Medicare?  Just curious. Anyway, I was just trying to determine who was for Medicare and SS.  I couldn't even get that far.
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"It was this way under Bush or before Obama, so why should it be different now?'.


oldscout - A couple of things.  There were no political posts here prior to Obama winning.  I don't believe anything was posted during the campaign either.  Secondly, you never need the other side to give in to continue a debate.  In fact, I doubt the other side ever gives in during debate.  You let your words convince the audience.  Lastly, that quote above is totally vague and you'd have to provide me an example as I don't believe that accurately describes what I do here.

As for unsustainable, he's assuming if you want revenues to equal outgo.  Of course, we all might want that to some extent but Medicare will last as long as the people want it to.  Contributions and benefits may be adjusted but it will be here long after you and I are gone, whether paid by the General fund or otherwise.
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I believe this is the first political post.

Maybe the second.

or this may be the second.


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Unintentionally, oldscout's post makes it crystal clear about what so often goes on around here.  Many Conservative individuals make numerous posts and comments, day after day after day, ridiculing this President, Democrats, and Liberals, over and over and over again, and then in the very next breath do not hesitate to ask "why do you Dems keep going back to Bush"?  You see, they think we're the broken record.  I can't help but get a chuckle out of such a view.  
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oldscout - C'mon, you don't find it funny that my side is accused of repetitiveness after what goes on here daily? 

As for SS, someone tried to pin the President down by asking if he can "guarantee" social security checks will go out if debt ceiling is not raised?  He said he can't.  Do you think he should absolutely know right now how the 40% cut in spending will be distributed?  Maybe anyone over a certain earnings level is going to see their SS check held back.  Maybe every check will be reduced by a certain percentage.  Do you think they already know how this will turn out?

For whatever reason, you've soured on our discussions but I'll trudge on and hope it subsides soon.  In recent weeks, Conservatives here have said our Country is being destroyed, we'll soon be like Greece, we're doomed if Obama is re-elected, our children's future is in jeopardy, our freedoms are under attack, and we will go bankrupt.  This was soon followed by another surprising Conservative complaint that the President is scaring our retired citizens.  Again, after all the Conservative examples of spreading fear just laid out, can't you see the irony in this most recent complaint?    
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http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/07/13/our-petulant-child-president/

I wonder how this guy got out alive with this video? I think the president is ready to take some names & kick some B----.

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http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/07/13/our-petulant-child-president/

I wonder how this guy got out alive with this video? I think the president is ready to take some names & kick some B----.

The President is a crybaby and wants everyone to drop to their knees to adore him.  He better get his head out of his ass because Cantor and Ryan are not gonna worship him like the sheep here on this Board.  Bambi is a Chicago Street Thug Community Agitator --- in other words he's a Poverty Pimp like Reverend Jesse Jackson & Reverend Al Sharpton.  He has no concept of fiscal responsibility because he doesn't care about spending other people's money.  He's never had a real job in his whole life.  Being a career politician is nothing more than being an extortion artist.  Ask him and his Klingon to sacrifice like the rest of the Country and give up the vacations and the concerts and the fundraising dinners.  He's a punk.


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This makes a ton of sense. Maybe the Libtards on this Board need to read it once, twice, maybe three times before that can fully grasp what it all means.

http://www.redstate.com/standardcandle/2011/07/14/understanding-how-class-warfare-fails-to-solve-our-u-s-debt-problems/



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I love this, I went through these & I never even mentioned Obama's name until a post in 2nd thread & I said, Obama jumped all over corporate CEO's & maybe rightfully so,but forgot to jump on the congress & senate....wow,maybe he should have listened. I don't think I said Democrat or liberal ,but a couple times.

Did criticize excess spending & waste from day one & commented a couple times how I would like to see the president clean up things in DC & make the changes he promised....maybe that's why I'm so upset these years/mos. later as he really changed little he promised.


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oldscout - I hope I never suggested you started politics in this forum.  I was simply trying to show you that we never discussed Bush or Obama prior to January of 2009.  Politics wasn't discussed here.  Not saying it should or shouldn't be, but simply putting the facts on the table.  There were no UCS Bush criticizing threads while he was in office.  I was trying to provide some evidence.

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We need more cowbell.

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Hey Bill, I'm Walken the talk.

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It was a dead Saturday night around here without you.

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Maybe the Libtards........


Ae there conservetards, also?
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Dewey,
You failed to answer my question on why this whole scenario should never have happened.  I mentioned race and you peed your pants and ran away. Why is it so difficult for others to mention race other than those of the black community? White Guilt? What do we have to feel guilty for? Most of us weren't alive during the problems that occurred earlier in the 1900's or 1800's. Yet if we mention the FACT that Obama was elected by Black voters who had no idea of his agenda other than "Change" we are wrong. Not to mention that he had little or no experience for such a position.
Then you come out with this statement that Obama has turned something around. The only thing he has turned around is dividing this country more and causing an even bigger rift in party lines and geographic areas. You want to stick with numbers....I want to stick with how the world reacts to this perceived leader of the Free World. If I were in the military when he was elected I would ask for a discharge immediately. There would be no way in H** I would take orders from someone who has no real idea what its like to fight or serve in the Military. He has no real concern for anyone other than making Oprah and her minions happy.
Emotional yes. Political yes. Divided Country....Hell Yes.
If this were anytime other than the era of white guilt and PC. There would be protests more so than ever. BTW: Do you dismiss the Tea Party? Its been called a racist organization by many of Obama's devotees. Yet Herman Cain is one of their biggest members who is running for President....guess what...He is a Black Man with credentials and merit. Good workable ideas. Obama had none and still has none.



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