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Dewey

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A couple of days ago, I responded to two more political comments, regarding spending and our impending doom, with questions of my own that were once again ignored.  I wanted to voice some displeasure about this but then we went into an entirely new direction, music.  Much more pleasant than politics for sure.  Didn't want to sour the mood but, since I'm leaving town, I'm going to take a moment and speak my peace now.  If we're leaving politics behind, we can disregard my concerns altogether. 

It's been a little over two and half years since someone introduced politics into this forum and one has to wonder if we've served any purpose whatsoever.  I do think the attacks against this Administration, (they have subsided a bit lately), have been successfully countered, on most occasions, by our left leaning members and I'm certain few Independents have been "won over" by these numerous Conservative threads.  That said, it would be very hard to argue that these have been constructive political discussions.
 
Yesterday, a member suggested I be personally water-boarded for my political comments.  I know, it was PGP, what do you expect?  Previously, he suggested I should stop posting because I was boring him to death.  Then the other day, another member actually questioned other members for engaging me in discussion.  He pretty much implied, "Don't fall for Dewey's trap.  He's trying to bring you into a discussion and make you look bad".  Now I ask, what kind of response is this?  Rallying the troops to avoid the debate rather than to participate.  Prior to that, yet another member asked me why I felt a need to intervene in a discussion rather than just letting others respond to the questions posed?  How is my intervention going to interfere with the response of others?  Couple these odd approaches with the anonymous member/s that sometimes use multiple handles to make their Conservative beliefs appear to be in the majority and/or to carry more weight, and one must conclude this has never been a debate forum as much as it has been a bash Obama forum.
 
I often go to great lengths to make the case that few things would have been any different today, regardless which Democrat was heading the executive branch, and it is simply ignored.  The chant from the Right goes on as usual, "President Obama is spending us out of control and our Country is doomed."  Doomed?  What an over the top, unsubstantiated, and shallow comment to be sure.  Unfortunately, ask for specific examples of either and the back and forth ceases. 
 
I've made it my mantra to say revenue is our primary problem and used numerous charts to support my case.  I went into great detail to point out that spending levels today are on target, based on decades of historical information, and then I used the same historical information to easily illustrate that revenue levels are way down from where they should be.  What was the response?  I'm simply accused of twisted logic with no attempt by my opponent to provide a "revenue or spending" case to the contrary.  Nope, it is simply what they say it is. 
 
Yes, I have a bit of a political side to me and an exchange of ideas can be constructive.  Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the goal here.   It's disappointing to make a long thought out post only to have other members rally their cohorts not to answer.  I just don't get it.  I'm also disappointed with the many Conservative friends I've made here that so easily ignore my questions, comments, posts, or whatever.  Are we here to debate or not?  I'd think in a debate forum one would cherish the opportunity to accept the challenge of questions by your opponent.  Here, it's quite the contrary.  They're encouraged to avoid them.  Additionally, I'm surprised so few are willing to cite specific examples to support their accusations, or simply ignore calls to substantiate their claims of doom or bankruptcy.   
 
It's always been disappointing that our audience seems so quiet and/or so small, particularly since they are our primary focus.  Now you could probably call them nonexistent.  I suspect one could attribute it to the quality of the discussions here.  It would be hard to argue with anyone who believes these threads are, for the most part, a total waste of time.  There's little doubt in my mind that the Conservative side simply wants us left leaning members, like me, to stop raining on the their parade and quit putting them on the defensive.  It would sure make their agenda easier, not unlike a talk radio host saying whatever if he/she wishes without the presentation of an alternative view.  
 
Well I'm off for a few days of vacation and I'll take some time to reflect on how worthy the time I spend here actually is.  Until then, feel free to do the same and/or, if you wish, you can continue down the road with "we're doomed, our Commander in Chief is destroying our Country, we are going broke, etc., etc., etc.", without any interference from me.  At least for a few days.  Have a good weekend.   
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Dewey - You are an extraordinary human being.  What a special person !!  That said, I mostly agree with your posts, and only slightly disagree with others.  I do hope that in your time away from the political BS you consider what is really important to you and less consider those who oppose your perspective. Your grandchildren are beautiful.   Remember that we are all headed for the grave or the urn, and who really gives a crap what we think?    Love you, man.  You are a beautiful and courageous human being.   Frank
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Dewey

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Frank - Thank you very much.  That means a great deal to me coming from you.  Don't fret, no political dialogue can ever come between me and what's truly important in my life.  I know from my many years here that you have adopted the exact same approach.  That said, nothing I ever say here is intended to question the overall qualities of any members who post here, regardless of their political views.  We're all in this together and, hopefully, we're all searching for what's in this Country's best interests.  The exchange between folks at the grass roots level is likely more important than the same back and forth between our elected officials.  If we can't come to any consensus, how can they?  Thanks again for the kind words and please know the feelings are mutual.  I'd love to say that in person some day.  Hope all is well with you and yours.   
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Sorry to hear your bad experiences.  I just found this political part of the forum so I haven't had too much time here, but I hope I'm reasonable.

Even if you leave here, I hope you remember/know that there are at least some good conservatives/Republicans in the world.
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- here is my problem with your posts & remember this is imo.

I know you are a very loyal supporter of president Obama & your party. In fact I see it as unbending,in other words you see no wrong with anything they do. You question any ones criticism of the president as being mean spirited or incorrect in their facts.
Your defense almost always gos straight to other presidents who have done the same or worse in your mind & never imo consider that this president might be making it worse.
I have many times criticized my own party & politicians in general,but I recall little or none by you of your party.

I could bring up any of the following for example;
Why no budget from president?Other than one that was not serious & turned down 97-0 by the senate.
Housing market continues to tumble.
Fuel/food prices are skyrocketing & future of either looks to be the same.
UE continues to rise & his top adviser says it wouldn't be a factor in 2012.

I could go on & on,but more than likely you would get to," what has president Obama done or not done that others like Clinton or Bush would have.
There is the problem to me,you don't want to discuss the UE or spending cuts or failing entitlements, you only want to defend the president and sooner or later accuse me of , " Being against this president not his policies".

Hope I explained the reason I have decided to back off the back-forth with you. You see I am more concerned with many of the problems facing our nation & if I step on the Presidents shoes while talking about them,so be it.

All in all, I admire your unwavering support & loyalty to the president,but it just makes it too hard for ME anyhow to discuss most issues with you.
You are a bright guy & you know I have all the respect in the world for you.
Have a great time on your mini-vacation.

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Dewey,
I have met you, spent time with you at the ball park and enjoy your company. I think you are a great guy and despite our disagreements at time.....generally non politically. I hope we remain on friendly terms.

I would like to take you to one of my hangouts.....'The Irish Time' on Motor near National in Los Angeles. It;s about 1/2 from Sony studio, 1/4 from the 10 freeway, and within walking distance of UCLA married housing.

It's a diverse group of people drinking, talking politcs, eating good food ( Love their shepard pie, meatloaf). There are some people who have very strong views on one side or the other. Some less intense, some just want to watch the Lakers, Dodgers, UCLA or that other school on t.v. but in all of my years of hanging there, it has never gotten to the level of this board.

Talking face to face has plenty to do with it. Not only are people less likely to call each other out of their names but it allows those in the discussion to have a conversatin. When it get's too heated....you have someone buying everyone a round. I've gotten to know many of the patrons, some are high priced lawyers, some work in warehouse, some students, some unemployed....people from all walks of life......and getting to know someone allows you to view thme as a human. Many on this board are demonized for their opinions.

I also think it is very tough to follow the conversation in the thread when 7-8 people are stating opinions. Many times the original question isn't answered, or parapharased by some while others took it another way. When you ask someone to explain their position some take offense and assume you are calling them out, when in effect what was in their heads about a subject never made it to the thread.

I am giving up on political discussions unless my relatives names are being dragged through the mud again. JMHO
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Dewey - have been out a while myself, and just ran into this.

Your absence here will ensure that I spend even less time reading and absorbing here, as your comments invariably make me feel you are speaking from my mind, what I wish that "I" had the ability to express myself, as you do. 

I can come here frustrated by the news, and/or some particular comment I have read or heard on the street, and read something from you that makes me think "God, I wish that I could have expressed that in such an understandable and reasonable fashion"? I speak seldom here, as it's virtually impossible for me to keep my deeply felt feelings and emotion out of it.

Get back soon, so that I can once again feel there are those that see this administration, the democratic belief and feelings, and this country in the way that I do, and have for such a long time.  I know that I will access the Misc. side of UCS much less than normal, waiting for you to come back.

Can't recall any poster here that I could honestly say that I respect more than you.
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The truth is, Obama has no clue how to create jobs.....Unemployment is climbing higher and is the number one problem in America....To say Obama being our President is harmful to America is the absolute truth.....The problem with Obama supporters is that they often consider a truth to be an attack....And, that just isn't so....

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http://wcfcourier.com/news/opinion/clayson/money-belongs-to-the-people/article_e6abe216-a975-11e0-ad24-001cc4c03286.html

one from my buddy in Iowa,dings the left a little at the end,but in general about why we can't give the politicians any more of our money-" they spend it" & for a good reason.....power.[ FOLKS it is not about helping YOU or ME]

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Another huge problem for America is illegal immigration....And, Obama doesn't even care about it....Illegal immigrants are flooding our country while Obama looks the other way....

Dewey tries to make a big deal out of asking just what it is Obama is doing that's so bad for America.....How 'bout what Obama is not doing?.....He's not creating jobs and he's not protecting America's borders.....The people who are still working and paying taxes are supporting the people who can't find a job...They're also paying for the food stamps, welfare and health care of the families of illegal immigrants....Now, anyone who believes this can continue is seriously and badly mistaken......I say this as Obama looks the other way!

America is in trouble....Anyone who can't see what's gonna happen is in for a rude awakening!

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Here is where I have a question...today Obama/Boehner & leaders from both parties are meeting yet again to discuss coming up with $4T in deficit reduction by combining cuts & increased revenue.
Almost 8 months ago,a commission headed up by Simpson/Bowles[bi-partisan] came up with a $4T plan with 1/3 coming from tax revenues & 2/3 from spending cuts..
While their plan made nobody happy,both sides rejected it & kicked the can down the road....the President barely mentioned it,even though he appointed the commission.
I think a plan that made neither side happy was probably a GOOD PLAN.

Why are we still even discussing this...why is there not a bill signed sealed & delivered...heck,it only has the future of 317 million people riding on it.

WILL A TRUE LEADER PLEASE STAND UP,all of you put aside your campaigning suit/tie & do your jobs.

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Dewey--Have not been running from the discussions. Memorial Day through October are insanely busy for me. My business is roaring that time of year and I am a Gold coach on top of that. I do read, but responses are limited. Especially because it is work for me to reply as I am not that sharp! Let me give you my bottom line here. You say that spending increases are on target with what history would project. That is my problem. It appears that you think we should have an escalating spending schedule based on historical trends based on spending patterns. I think that our spending should be limited to no more than our income! Period!!And less than that until our debt is paid off. That is how I run my household, save for my mortgage and automobile. And that is how I run my business save for my mortgage and my fleet purchases. That said, that is my money that I am spending and borrowing responsibly on. I buy what I can afford, not what I want. Yes republicans have failed in this arena of late, but the current administration has taken spending to a new level. Soon or later this government is going to run out of our money to spend. Our government needs a reality check on basic math and household spending. They just have a much bigger household than most!


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Seems Boehner is rejecting President Obama's offer to make historic cuts to the federal government and the social safety net, saying in a statement Saturday evening that he can not agree to the tax increases Democrats insisted on as part of the bargain.

What we have is Republicans refusing major Democratic concessions on spending in order to protect the tax breaks and loopholes for Big Business and wealthy Americans.

Evidently the future of 317 million citizens takes a backseat to the wants of the rich from the GOP standpoint.  Lots of hot air but when it comes down to getting things done.......well it's a lot of hot air.




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POV---What about the "loohole" that allows 47% of Americans to pay zero federal income tax? Are you willing to close that loophole too?


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well softballfantic, should the day come that I'm in that position to make those decisions I will definately look into it. 

Sometimes things are alittle more complicated than just a frenzy whipping, talking point.

Yes, 47% of Households Owe No Taxes. Look Closer. - NYTimes.com
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fanatic - Close all loopholes including off shore deposits of corporations and individuals.  Every citizen and corporation and business and citizen  should pay income taxes, even if it is just $25 per year.  No one should get a free pass, and wealthy people should get less of a free pass (close all their loopholes).  When Leonna Helmsley said, "Only the little people pay taxes", she was speaking for all wealthy people who can hire a good tax lawyer to avoid paying their share.   

 As Teddy R. said, "Wealthy people should pay progressively more to award the very system that allowed them to become wealthy" - and even wealthier.  No one wants to take an opulent lifestyle away from the very wealthy, but they can simply afford, without losing that lifestyle, to be taxed more heavily.  We are a nation, and everyone should contribute to that concept.   Now, if our Washington representatives could just get the hang of that idea and think "nation" instead of "Party", we just might be on our way to becoming the nation we were.  Working together to benefit all the citizens of our nation seems to be an outmoded concept.  So it goes in today's political and governmental climate !!
We also must remember that the other  side of collecting taxes is judicious spending.  

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Seems Boehner is rejecting President Obama's offer to make historic cuts to the federal government and the social safety net, saying in a statement Saturday evening that he can not agree to the tax increases Democrats insisted on as part of the bargain.

What we have is Republicans refusing major Democratic concessions on spending in order to protect the tax breaks and loopholes for Big Business and wealthy Americans.

Evidently the future of 317 million citizens takes a backseat to the wants of the rich from the GOP standpoint.  Lots of hot air but when it comes down to getting things done.......well it's a lot of hot air.



 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812104576438130028027412.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop like I said 2 sides to everything. So you think they ought to just sign on the dotted line based on Obama's promise to do something? Maybe if Harry reid paid any attention to what Obama promises might be one thing,but with him running the Senate






It is a 2 way street my friend.
Just interested would you consider your 2nd paragraph a worn out & oft used talking point or is it just the one's we use?
That said, I am sure we that & also," it is still the fault of Bush " will be repeated by Mr. Obama over the next few months,because if this thing gos South,it will be under his watch & he will need to throw the blame onto somebody & who better than the evil rich or former President[ 30 mos.ago] Bush

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oldscout, it seems that you're upset that the Repubs are not getting everything their way.  I think the word compromise is about shared sacrifices.  Obama has offered some of the biggest spending cuts in decades.  Cuts that will directly affect millions who can least afford it and you get huffy because the Big Business and the wealthy would also be affected. 

If my 2nd paragraph doesn't truthfully summarize  Boehner's rejection then write us one from your perspective.  I'd be curious.

oldscout you do get your feathers ruffled when Bush is brought up in an unfavorable light.  Go back and read my post #144 in the Republican Candidate thread.  It was Bush's successor (Republican) who evidently felt the same effects of his fiscal ineptitude for the state of Texas.  Maybe there's something to it.  If each President could set the dials back to 0 when he takes office then I could understand your irritation, but unfortunately we as a nation are stilling feeling the effects of Bush's fiscal ineptitude and it needs to be acknowledged repeatedly.  Even then there are those who will selectively choose which facts will prop up their belief system and disregard those that don't.
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POV--Look in the mirror when you talk about selectively choosing facts. You are painting President Obama as the Great Master of Compromise.....Kinda like on the Health Care Bill huh???? He dug his heels into creating another entitlement program just as the Republicans are digging in their heels on the debt-ceiling debate. Shall I call you pot or kettle? And I dont think Oldscout got huffy or is feathers ruffled, he is just debating!


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Mr. SBF,
Well shut my mouth, I thought oldscout was the Left's "slightly center of right good guy".
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fanatic, Grand Master of Compromise?  Your words, your intrepretation.  I do think that he has put on the table a substantial sacrifice in comparison to the GOP offering.

You can call me whatever you feel the need to. 
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POV--Look in the mirror when you talk about selectively choosing facts. You are painting President Obama as the Great Master of Compromise.....Kinda like on the Health Care Bill huh???? He dug his heels into creating another entitlement program just as the Republicans are digging in their heels on the debt-ceiling debate. Shall I call you pot or kettle? And I dont think Oldscout got huffy or is feathers ruffled, he is just debating!

Thanks SBF, I too thought I just asked him a question or 2,made a comment on how Obama will revert back to blaming Bush & posted an article that might explain the other side....but POV likes to tell you WHAT you really said & things anyone that doesn't agree with his opinion or has the audacity to criticize the president as getting ruffled or being upset...not the case in the least

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oldscout, it seems that you're upset that the Repubs are not getting everything their way.  I think the word compromise is about shared sacrifices.  Obama has offered some of the biggest spending cuts in decades.  Cuts that will directly affect millions who can least afford it and you get huffy because the Big Business and the wealthy would also be affected. 

If my 2nd paragraph doesn't truthfully summarize  Boehner's rejection then write us one from your perspective.  I'd be curious.

oldscout you do get your feathers ruffled when Bush is brought up in an unfavorable light.  Go back and read my post #144 in the Republican Candidate thread.  It was Bush's successor (Republican) who evidently felt the same effects of his fiscal ineptitude for the state of Texas.  Maybe there's something to it.  If each President could set the dials back to 0 when he takes office then I could understand your irritation, but unfortunately we as a nation are stilling feeling the effects of Bush's fiscal ineptitude and it needs to be acknowledged repeatedly.  Even then there are those who will selectively choose which facts will prop up their belief system and disregard those that don't.
By the way, I read your post on Perry & in fact commented on it with an explanation...which by the way I doubt you read or you would see that I am not a big Bush fan.

I told you I thought he started this mess,but it is obama's baby now.

Don't know what Softball team you back,but if they were doing poorly & replaced the coach,yet 3 seasons later were no better or maybe worse & not looking to be a whole lot better the next couple years....would you hold the new coaches responsible or blame the coach from 3 years ago & give this one another 5 years?

Obama is going to have to " Man UP ' or as Perry would say " Cowboy up" one of these days....he is the one who advertised himself as the one who would bring compromise to the WH.

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oldscout, Obama has just offered the biggest spending cuts in decades!  The party of NO has once again said NO and rejected the compromise because they wanted the whole cake and didn't get it.  No sure how you can say "man up" and not include the GOP in the same breath.  In a previous post you asked,

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Why are we still even discussing this...why is there not a bill signed sealed & delivered...
  Ask Boehner.

Anyway, I'd give the coach 5 more years rather than pull the plug prematurely.  Cleaning up the messes left by others can be complicated and time consuming......especially when that last mess was so deep and far reaching.

.... for what it's worth I do read your posts, they just don't always make sense.
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POV--Regarding your NY Times article, very nice try. Talk about talking points! First, we are talking about "federal income taxes"! Nice spin, deflect and distract or any other clever title you want to put on it! Second, in case you didn't realize it, all of those other federal taxes you cited are paid by the wealthy too! And probably to a larger degree since they have more disposable income. Why don't we make it easy. Lets throw out the entire tax code. After all, it is much like the health care bill......no one really knows what is in it! Lets go to a flat tax or a consumption tax. What do you say? Wanna play ball?


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POV, have you lifted up the rock too high? Your sniping point has been exposed in Dewey's absence. I would suggest not getting in the deep end of the pool without having the proper flotation device firmly attached to yourself. Might want to call on Indy or Frank for some swim lessons before you wade in too far..
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oldscout, Obama has just offered the biggest spending cuts in decades!  The party of NO has once again said NO and rejected the compromise because they wanted the whole cake and didn't get it.  No sure how you can say "man up" and not include the GOP in the same breath.  In a previous post you asked,

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Why are we still even discussing this...why is there not a bill signed sealed & delivered...
  Ask Boehner.

Anyway, I'd give the coach 5 more years rather than pull the plug prematurely.  Cleaning up the messes left by others can be complicated and time consuming......especially when that last mess was so deep and far reaching.

.... for what it's worth I do read your posts, they just don't always make sense.

See if this makes sense?

I just watched a rerun of press conference & read several articles on obama's statements concerning the last 3 days negotiations.
EXACTLY what are these cuts he is willing to make? Do you have anything that he specifically said? I watched the press conference & don't have any idea what he is willing to change in the entitlements? please tell me in his words if you could,not interested in a WH leak,that is later denied.

Now,I did note a few things from the press conference;
He said that the current medicare program was unsustainable & would need to be fixed, not even a year ago he said the HC bill had added 12 years to Medicares life[if I recall].
Did he indicate in the press conference that those not in favor of increasing the debt ceiling were not smart enough to understand the crisis or was I hearing things?
Did he also say something about " Deciding how much of one's money they should be ALLOWED to keep? i might have to watch it over,thought maybe you could tell me?
Sorry if the questions don't make sense to you, but will not let it keep me up nights.

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I think if you double counted savings on Medicare purported to occur by the unknown fees and taxes in the HC bill, and applied them to Medicaid, then things might work out in the Fantasy Factory. Fortunately, the CBO can only have the wool pulled over their eyes for a couple of quarters before the real numbers start showing up.
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What kind of Press Secretary lets the POTUS walk out to a press conference with a stumbling speech and wing it style that was offered up today? This is a pretty intense moment for our economic well being, and POTUS is sniping prior to negotiations? Bad cabinet members need to be flushed, and serious political operatives with a sense of the gravity of the situation appointed. Or maybe President Obama thinks He will get His way, or the economy be damned. Thats what happened with the HC bill. Does He care if the economy is harmed, and more citizens are reliant on Big Brother? Makes me wonder.
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Originally Posted by woody
What kind of Press Secretary lets the POTUS walk out to a press conference with a stumbling speech and wing it style that was offered up today? This is a pretty intense moment for our economic well being, and POTUS is sniping prior to negotiations? Bad cabinet members need to be flushed, and serious political operatives with a sense of the gravity of the situation appointed. Or maybe President Obama thinks He will get His way, or the economy be damned. Thats what happened with the HC bill. Does He care if the economy is harmed, and more citizens are reliant on Big Brother? Makes me wonder.
IMO,the president could have accepted reduced tax rates in return of fewer tax deductions/tax breaks for wealthy/closing loop holes/eliminating many subsidies{ which he is ALWAYS harping on],by the way what is the exact recommendation made by HIS debt commission...yet he elected not to do this. The CBO said it would increase revenues overall.

In short, Obama sees a great need for BIGGER government & is boxed into a corner,because he needs a lot more revenue to fund that two- headed monster.

I kind of like what Rubio says," No new taxes,how about new tax payers".
Maybe if we put 1/2 the people without a job back to work,the revenue problem would take care of itself.{ Rubio didn't say that..oldscout did]

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