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spazsdad

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And we could get much, much, more if we were allowed to fully utilize our own resources. Unfortunately there are some that feel we can solve the issue with car pools lanes, public transit, and government loans to solar companies.
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Don't forget wind mills, some of which here in California are killing endangered species.
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you are correct woody, we get all our oil from Oklahoma only. don't know if you are working in the oil industry. if so, then you know best. me i am just clueless. [biggrin]
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Kucinich now threatening Obama with impeachment if he attacks Syria.  Obama has completely screwed this entire thing up and has put himself in a no-win situation.  This is close to the 3 a.m. call that Hillary warned everyone about.  Ironically, Hillary contributed to the mess that is our foreign policy.  What a disaster.


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Obomber talking at 1:15 edt.  Should be interesting.
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you are correct woody, we get all our oil from Oklahoma only. don't know if you are working in the oil industry. if so, then you know best. me i am just clueless.

What are you even talking about? Here is a little refresher since you obviously missed what woody said
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We get our oil imports from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and a few others. We don't import oil from Iran.


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Gotta hand it to Obama.  He is doing the right thing by seeking Congressional approval.
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Gotta hand it to Obama.  He is doing the right thing by seeking Congressional approval.


I agree 1000%.  People have spoken, again  Now we will see how well he can lead

p.s. he should have built a coalition in congress and abroad a year ago.  leading by indecision 

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This is Obama's way out. The House votes not to allow interdiction. He can save political face and blame Republican obstructionist as well. Perfect planning and a way to craw fish away from the red line he blurted about being crossed. Well played.
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Woody, unfortunately, I was questioning the same thing too.  Id like to think he was doing it because its the right thing, but he has really boxed himself in without any ally help, etc... all because he was an amateur and committed to a red line.  
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sbmom, don't you remember that it is what i have been saying all along that he is somewhat retarded.
by the way just bought some Thrifty ice cream AWESOME. TRY SOME IF YOU HAVE A RITE AIDE STORE.
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This is Obama's way out. The House votes not to allow interdiction. He can save political face and blame Republican obstructionist as well. Perfect planning and a way to craw fish away from the red line he blurted about being crossed. Well played.


Well played?

The message to the international community now is "The word of the President of the United States means nothing."

The incoherency is marching!

Hard to believe the anti-war administration will spend the next 9 days war-mongering Congress and the media on why it's a good idea to attack yet another country in the middle east.


Add: Woody, I get what you're saying, and I'm sure this move looked like a stroke of genius to some in the admin. But most Americans won't forget that this is Obama's mess to begin with. And since he's reserving the right to attack even without Congress' approval, he's really not improving his standing.
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Here is the draft authorization the WH sent to Congress:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/782228-aumfresolutiontext.html

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Considering the direction he was headed, Obama did the right thing.  But politically it was smart to because it shifts responsibility away from him.  Just what he wants.
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Geez people, Obama is still responsible. It's his call, no different than Bush going to Iraq.

The vote in Congress isn't binding on Obama, so if Congressional Republicans were more savvy, every single one of them would vote "present."
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Unless there are immediate US national security implications, the president does not have unilateral decision making capabilities about going to war.  I do agree it is ultimately his decision, but only after being given authorization by congress in this situation, as IMHO there is no immediate danger to the US.  Obama has blinked and once again makes the US look very weak and emboldens countries like Iran, Russia, China, Syria, Egypt, etc....God help Isreal in all this mess.
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sbmom do not worry about Israel. no arab country in the middle east would dare to attack them as they know that they do not have the power.
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Here's Mother Jones, which is about as liberal as they come:

President Obama's Epically Botched Syria Policy
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/08/president-obamas-epically-botched-syria-policy

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Obama and Kerry =   Dumb and Dumber

Dont know that there is anyway at allfor the world to think anything other than the US is weak after this debacle.  ( Hillary is a big part of this as well!)

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Even Robert Gibbs, who is the president of the Obama Fanboy club, said that the sequencing of events this week made Kerry, at a minimum, look foolish, and the whole thing confused overall.

What a mess.  I hope the GOP in the House votes No, because the Senate will do whatever the POTUS asks.
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mikec - Gibbs actually said "you can question the sequence" meaning others might choose to do so but he pretty much supported the President wholeheartedly.  The other panelist, not so much.  See the video.
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dewey, I don't blame you for linking and quoting what we already know that is in the news.  What is absent from you is any meaningful discussion on what you would or would not want or expect this president to do about the matter.  I guess it is true about blind loyalty being blind.  What an absolute farce.  Whatever obama's eventual decision, you will say he got exactly right.  I guess you supported his red line then also?  Keep silent on the subject when you don't know what should be done.
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Good call KIR.  Dewey, you have to admit - 95% of the world is questioning Obama's leadership on this.
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I'm always fascinated when the President wants a war, the media campaigns with stories and photos of dead children. Then as soon as The President gets his war, the photos of death and despair magically disappear.

And didnt one of the major networks once provide a daily tally of US service deaths in the Afg war? Did they stop when Obama took office? Odd, since far more have died since Obama took over than before he came along.

Still off balance by all the liberals and Democrats war mongering these daya, but it looks like we better get used to it.
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I've been following this Syrian civil war for quite a while now, reading and watching hours and hours of video, and there's no question Assad is a bad character. As the media floods us over the next week or so with Assad's attrocities, ask yourself - why isn't Obama doing more to get rid of him? What is Obama's long view on this war? Since we will be there anyway, and the Navy has a surfeit of TLAMs nearing their expire date that need to be used, why not tilt the balance in favor of the rebels?

Along with the reports of Assad's atrocities, the media is also putting out stores of how the rebels may include some terrorists, but mostly they are regular rebels and the terrorist influence isn't so great. While I suspect this tact is being taken to paint Assad as even worse, doesn't it lend credence to the idea of helping the rebels gain the upper hand, since we are there anyway?

Really confusing messages coming out.
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FIB - the question is, what is in our best interest as a country?  Despite the atrocities, if there is no threat to our interests, then we should do nothing.
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I say if people want us to be the world's police force then they should pay us to provide the service. 
The 'world' seemed weary of our leadership and our strength, well then let someone else lead and provide strength, but they damn sure need to leave us alone.  I have turned into a slight isolationist, if the dems say war costs too much, then I believe them this one time.

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Kir I dont think people want us to be the police force per say, but they do want us to be the world super power that they have been used to.  But, with Hillary and Obamas amateur hour the ME has totally destabilized, and Iran, China, and Russia are laughing at us and militarizing more every day while Obama has cut our military ( the only thing the libs ever cut in govt) out the ying yang and decreased our nuclear arms.  He has treated our allies almost like enemies.  It doesnt surprise me at all that he has no backing for Syria as they know its amateur hour and Obama has no ones back but his own.
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Susan, I was in the service during an American crisis with an incompetent Democrat President, Jimmie Carter.  The funding during those years was spread thin, hence we failed when we tried to rescue our people from Iran.  [I think Carter was playing cards with Reggie Love] Our military was not trained pre-Reagan years, starting with Nixon.  The training came after Carter.  The military is weary right now, they need to catch their breath.  They need to be real sure that they will not become more boots on the ground in another Middle East Country.  We need not hurry into another conflict with this incompetent Democrat president and his incompetent administration [i.e. Holder, Clinton, Rice]

Bring the troops home like they said they would.  We sure don't need anything more than air strikes and I think those cruise missiles we will be firing off are priced at 1.5 mil, each

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