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TheHammer

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the newspaper had an article about what our senators think about Syria. one of our dumb one, Boxer, if we do attack Syria, Iran would view us as a paper tiger. wonder how she knows what Iranian leaders think and what they plan to do. wonder if she knows who in reality runs Iran and what is their view of war. wonder if she knows when was the last time iran went to war. the only time was to defend their country against Iraq. if those are the senators that will decide if we should attack Syria, we are in trouble.
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LOts more action on the gay thread Hammer.  The questions are too easy over there for some of the 50K members.  Yes you Californians provide us with some real nitwits in Congress and Senate [Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi] real leaders.  We are in good hands with nitwits like them running our nation
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mikec

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FIB - he also said that, if he lived in Europe, he'd be considered right of center.

He is a real winner.  You don't air your dirty laundry in someone else's backyard.

If I were any of the people he's been talking to in the Congress, I'd leave him a simple two word voicemail that would let him know exactly where I stand.

I wonder if Michelle is proud of her country yet?
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Hammer, America is a mess and out of control....Our schools, roads and bridges are falling apart....American cities are going bankrupt and we have sinkholes all over our nation....We have a racial and class divide that grows wider every day....And, our President, and our politicians, are debating whether we should kill a bunch of Syrian people with bombs....America's war machine is propaganda on display unequalled....McCain, and others, are passing around the cash and politicians are falling in line...Rand Paul is trying to stop the carnage...Obama knows he can't go against our wealthy, and immoral, war machine...So, he passes the decision on to the corrupted Congress....And, the band plays on as America sinks.....
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From Obama today:

“The moral thing to do is not to stand by and do nothing,” Obama said. “I do have to ask people if in fact you’re outraged by the slaughter of innocent people, what are you doing about it?”

This from a man who does not object when a baby who was supposed to be aborted is instead delivered alive but the doctor then snips the spinal cord to kill it.  The king of all hypocrites.


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TheHammer

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someone should tell him that we should stop the killing in our country first and then worry about other countries.
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“I do have to ask people if in fact you’re outraged by the slaughter of innocent people, what are you doing about it?”


This is what I know......What I'm not doing is dropping bombs on more innocent people killing them.....
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After McCain said he opposed the plan, he voted for it.  I think he needs to retire and try to win a bracelet.
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The resolution states that an action will last for no more than 90 days and there will be no troops on the ground.  Why don't we just text Assad the targets we're looking at and about when we think we'll hit them?  Geez.
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From what I understand, Russians occupy and manage some sites that may be on the target list.  Whether that's true or not, I suspect we'll inform the Syrians about some intended targets in order to save some lives.
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Will anyone tell the innocent civilians who will die under the bombs?.....The only person concerned abot them is Rand Paul....What has happened to America?
pabar61

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Seriously?  We're going to tell the enemy where we're going to send the bombs?  Assad has killed 100,000 people already.  He'll move the valuable stuff and leave the people to get slaughtered and then take pictures of them and tell the world how horrible we are for killing his people with our indiscriminate bombing.
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Hagel is in over his head


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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
bluedog

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How so?
ForeverInBlue

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Cluster bomb, 112 states have signed treaty against their use. International norm?

Well, the US is selling Saudi Arabia $641 million worth of cluster bombs.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-to-sell-cluster-bombs-to-saudi-arabia-2013-8

So Obama wants to go to war to enforce one "international norm" while profligating another into the world's most dangerous region.

Hypocrisy much, Obomber?
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Here is a really good primer on Syria, and how things got to this point.

http://thehowardbealeshow.tumblr.com/post/59787605249/a-beginners-guide-to-the-conflict-in-and-country-of
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After watching the POTUS' perfornance in Swedwn today, what just occurs to me on this situation is this:

What we are seeing is what we have always seen with Obama - he says something, then we he's called on it, he claims he didn't say it, twists it to blame others, and demonizes the other side.

The key difference here, of course, is that the stakes are higher, and many more people are watching. With the stakes so high, it's just not possible to have people like Axelrod and Gibb pick up the party line and add more untruths to it - this is just too big. Same thing for the MSM - even they are afraid to run with this.

The "I didn't draw the red line" comment, and trying to blame the Congress, will come back to roost.
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So it looks like America will go to war to defend the credibility of a statement that Obama denies making.

A perfect example of this clowns foreign policy. This man wants to send people to their death for his image. He is our President.
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How so?


My biggest problem with him is that he cannot answer a direct question.  One thing I do like about Kerry, is that John kerry can answer a question.  He doesn't shy away from a question as hillary did under oath.  He is 20 times the SOS as hillary, she is a disgrace

Hagel is a lifelong soldier, he should act like one.  He can stop acting political.  I understand some things are confidential that he cannot share with us, I just think he is over his head.  we'll see how he plays out

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec
After watching the POTUS' perfornance in Swedwn today, what just occurs to me on this situation is this: What we are seeing is what we have always seen with Obama - he says something, then we he's called on it, he claims he didn't say it, twists it to blame others, and demonizes the other side. The key difference here, of course, is that the stakes are higher, and many more people are watching. With the stakes so high, it's just not possible to have people like Axelrod and Gibb pick up the party line and add more untruths to it - this is just too big. Same thing for the MSM - even they are afraid to run with this. The "I didn't draw the red line" comment, and trying to blame the Congress, will come back to roost.


Your post mike just summed up the last 4 years of his presidency and life on this forum

deny, spin, twist, deflect, punt

tick,tock

When do people start calling out liars that lie when they open their mouth?  This man tells us what we heard is not what we actually heard.  You didn't build that, I said it was terrorism 2 days after Bengazi, my administration will be the most transparent ever, you can keep your insurance if you like it


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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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FIB - you summed it up perfectly.  Obama shot his mouth off not thinking about the consequences.  Now that the chickens have come home to roost, he's going to deflect all responsibility away from himself in order to save himself at the expense of others.  A perfect example of how not to lead.


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In Sweden Obama denied his red line.
8 hours later in a congressional hearing, Kerry asks What was the date Obama drew his red line?
Obviously the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is lying about in this administration. That should work well with lives on the line.
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If Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, and Israel want Assad attacked, why don't they do it themselves? We certainly have sold them enough military equipment over the years. It's certainly is more their neighborhood than ours.
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Not so sure....America has enough bases in the Middle east to say we're residents.....Unwelcomed, but, still residents!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhblue
If Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, and Israel want Assad attacked, why don't they do it themselves? We certainly have sold them enough military equipment over the years. It's certainly is more their neighborhood than ours.


Once they start fighting Assad, Iran jumps in and now they are fighting two countries. Then the US has to jump in to save the day and the has blow out of control. So they are leaving it up to the US. Which to me is BS. Syria is a regional issue (at least on the face of it) and should be dealt with by regional actors.

Any damage the US does, Russia and Iran will simply resupply Assad to balance things back out. Obama's Folly in Syria is just that, a folly.

Another thing to consider, if US tips the balance against Assad, once he is gone, then this vital
peice of real estate is up for grabs. What is our plan for that scenario, because Putin and the Ayatollah will go all in on that one.
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let me ask you obama supporters: do you really know what kind of politics the USA will be supporting if Assad goes away. Are we going to have the same problem as Egypt, Iraq, and Lybia, with thousand of people getting killed every month.
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And now there is, report that came out immediately after the CW "attack" that has been in minor media the past few days, but looks like it will be hitting major media soon. This report isn't confirmed, as the focus has been on the mainstream report as provided by the Obama admin, which we already know is investing heavily in a US attack on Syria. At the very least, prior to launching any attack, this report should be thoroughly investigated and if untrue, thoroughly debunked. I suspect the UN findings could go a long way toward settling the issue, but that report may be several weeks away and Obama doesn't seem to want to wait for the definite findings of the UN.

Short version: rebel troops in Ghouta we storing sensitive weapons they had received from Jabat al-Nusra, the al-Queda faction that has led the rebels renaissance, and is closely linked to Saudi Arabia. These weapons were in the form of metal tubes and gas canisters. As the rebels were moving the canisters, or perhaps preparing to use them, something went wrong as the gas was released. This report came directly from rebels and family members who were there.

We know Assad has high grade nerve agents. But reports from the hospitals treating patients indicated the agent in question was likely diluted, or improperly mixed, or improperly disbursed etc. iow, not indicative of high grade nerve agents properly employed. Which would jibe with reports of rebels misusing or accidentally releasing gas from their canisters.

A few other things - there are a number if inconsistencies in the US version of events. One biggie is the number of dead - Kerry said 1400, but local reports in Syria range from 300- 500 plus. Big discrepancy. Reports are that there was a tremendous amount of chatter and confusion within the highest Syrian military after the gas release, the US has even said so, which may indicate that the Syrians weren't aware of any impending gas attack. Kerry claims the US has evidence that Syrian military was mixing pre-agents several days prior to the gas release, but to date has refused to provide any evidence. It seems they want to keep all the "evidence" classified. In this regard, after classified briefings to Congress, many were not impressed with the evidence presented. Obama is going full bore trying to win approval from Congress, but that effort is meeting a lot of resistance, even after they made their case using classified information.

More: the weapons received by JaN and stored by the rebels reportedly came from jolly Prince Bandar, of Saudi Arabia, long time Ambassador to the US. Bandar has been very clear that he would like Assad gone. Photos of the canisters show labels in Arabic and... English. You have to wonder if Suria, Iran, or Russia would mark their CW canisters in English.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of this story is the reporter. She has 20 years experienced as a solid well grounded reporter including a lot of work with AP. She isn't known for filing false or speculative reports. And since filing the report, she is missing.
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And here is yet another example of failure by the US intel community.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-spies-missed-signs-aug-21-syrian-wmd-strike

We didnt know then, but we know now, after the fact. Really nice job, and I'm getting kinda sick of hearing this crap. All this intelligence but so little done with it.
ForeverInBlue

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Anagram anyone?

"The world set a red line" ~~ wild threatened loser [smile]
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Congressional Research Service
Report 9/3/2013

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/R43201.pdf
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