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Where the heck does this chick come from? The garbage she spouted in her interviews this morning should get her fired.
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Mr. mikec, actually will more than likely earn her praise.
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So..... I presume you support McMaster's firing?
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It can't happen soon enough gurl
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McMaster is an odummer loser.  That is what we voted out.
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McMaster is an odummer loser.  That is what we voted out.
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You and Trump on the same page.  Nice.

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McDain buddy.  Ground troops in Syria?  Reengage in Afghanistan?  Supports the Iran deal?  Hire Ben Rhodes's buddies?  

He basically re-proposed odummers plan for ISIS, which is to gently and aimless nudge them around the country of Iraq.  Instead they went with Mattis plan, of surround, entrap and destroy.   That has gone so well is ISIS regrouping in Lybia. 

Under Mcmasters the NSC repeatedly recommends we do exactly as we have done in the ME.   Does that seem smart?

The war in Afghanistan is basically being lost.  Should we just change nothing?

Should be no surprise the 'Flynn'stones are getting pushed out.  It is common when someone like Flynn goes down, those he favored and pulled along, are left without the air cover which they rode to their position. 

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Mike don't let the pretty colors dupe you.
You've become quite the contrarian

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McDain buddy.  Ground troops in Syria?  Reengage in Afghanistan?  Supports the Iran deal? (conflate much?) Hire Ben Rhodes's buddies?  

He basically re-proposed odummers plan for ISIS, which is to gently and aimless nudge them around the country of Iraq. (supporting links?) Instead they went with Mattis plan, of surround, entrap and destroy.   That has gone so well is ISIS regrouping in Lybia. 

Under Mcmasters the NSC repeatedly recommends we do exactly as we have done in the ME.   Does that seem smart?

The war in Afghanistan is basically being lost.  Should we just change nothing?

Mattis and others dislike the Iran Deal as much as anyone, however they're wise enough to recognize at this point there is very little downside to staying in it and the potential upside is much better than if we pull out. Iran already got the benefits and what remains favors us - once we quit being scared of Iran pulling out. We'll have more support against Iran if they pull out.

What change(s) do you think we should make in Afghanistan - pull out or increase support for government forces so they can roll back Taliban gains?
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Mattis and others dislike the Iran Deal as much as anyone, however they're wise enough to recognize at this point there is very little downside to staying in it and the potential upside is much better than if we pull out. Iran already got the benefits and what remains favors us - once we quit being scared of Iran pulling out. We'll have more support against Iran if they pull out.

What change(s) do you think we should make in Afghanistan - pull out or increase support for government forces so they can roll back Taliban gains?

"McMaster solidifies power at NSC — and supports Iran deal, sees Israel as occupier"
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/mcmaster-solidifies-supports/

"The leading Iran, Afghan, and ISIS plans that have either been presented to Trump or are under consideration by his Cabinet secretaries all resemble strategies assembled under the Obama administration, with slight modifications or increases to numbers of troops, or tightening of sanctions or cooperating on even more local forces."

"A furious Trump has sent his National Security Council adviser and staff back to the drawing board on the Afghan plan and parts of the still-evolving Iran plan, griping in essence that doing the same thing as before and expecting a different result is the platitudinal definition of insanity."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/mcmaster-goes-to-waragainst-his-white-house-enemies

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What change(s) do you think we should make in Afghanistan - pull out or increase support for government forces so they can roll back Taliban gains?

Not sure.  Typically, when things suck really bad, you fire the leadership responsible.  Correct?  Also these guys have been called the 'Flynn'stones for a very long time.  They rode up the ranks with Flynn.  When you ride up the ranks with a guy, and that guy gets whacked, it is typical that you get pushed out.

Me, personally.  I would not commit another single body to Afghanistan under the current approach/engagement.   Odummer took the teeth so far out of everything the military did it became stupid.  They would push opposition out of a city, rush in rebuild everything, build some really great fortified positions, and then exit.  The opposition would literally sit down the road 30 miles, wait for them to leave and then enjoy their new fortified gigs courtesy of odummer.  

I would look at what in Iraq that is working so successfully.   Of course that needs to be modified for Afghanistan. For instance, Afghanistan has the mountains and tunnels, when you push them out of the cities they occupy, you should expect them to return to their mountain tunnel strongholds, so you should plan on using some key grounds to entrap them.   I am not saying my idea is the answer.  You would need to work with military folks familiar with Afghanistan on how to implement a surround and kill philosophy in Afghanastan. 

Fundamental to odummers confusion was that he truly believed that terrorists were merely misguided youth.  That they were misguided by a corrupt and unjust system.  That all they need is a touch of encouragement that their current behavior was non-ideal, and then offer them a job.    

The success that we are currently having in Iraq is the result of rejecting odummers ideas.  It assumes that there are at least some ISIS/al Qeada that are morally committed to a battle to the death, using any means necessary.  The only possible way to engage someone that committed is to kill them. 

McMasters firing of Higgins is further proof of McMasters pro-odummer view of the world.  Higgins was pushing well noted for the pointing out where Islamist extremists had infiltrated the democrat party and been brought into key areas of our government under odummer.  

Higgins and Harvey are the most pre-emenant middle east experts.  Harvey correctly predicted Sunni's would protect Hussian (they did), that a 9/11 style attack from al Qaeda/Taliban in Afghanistan, and the arab spring and it's importance to the US.  


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The war in Afghanistan is basically being lost.


No basically to it - that war was lost when it began..........No way to win it.............

We need to get out, and do it now..............
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Trump freed the military from the binds Obama put on them. It resulted in them being very active going after ISIS and some other terrorists in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and other places. It also allowed them to provide a little more assistance to Afghan forces against the Taliban, however it's not enough to turn that tide. 

Pentagon proposed adding 3-5k troops, which Trump may have been okay with, however the real sticking point seemed to be a $23B/year price tag. Further complicating things is the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan. 

Trump is pissed because there's no easy answer and he's caught between his military and his nationalist base led by Bannon. It's resulted in a lack of direction from the WH for the Pentagon. 
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/07/31/holdup-mattis-strategy-afghanistan-white-house-dunford.html
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Fix America...........Trump is not the President of the world............He's said it many times..........

Nationalism is what we need............Let the others drown in their quest to a world Government...............
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America was founded on a belief in the Creator............In that way, America is different.............

Our Government has never honored our Creator by obeying Him, but, at the very least, they have managed to hang on to the belief that He does exist..........

We need to have separation from the traditions and customs of other countries..........Not incorporate our Government with them...........It's why we must control who comes over our borders.........And, who gets to stay and who doesn't..........Our customs and traditions matter and absolutely must be honored if we're to stay strong as a nation.............

We badly need to start with, we're an english-speaking country...........And, we don't believe in global-warming, so, keep that discussion for your world governing meetings and away from us............
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Trump freed the military from the binds Obama put on them. It resulted in them being very active going after ISIS and some other terrorists in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and other places. It also allowed them to provide a little more assistance to Afghan forces against the Taliban, however it's not enough to turn that tide. 

Pentagon proposed adding 3-5k troops, which Trump may have been okay with, however the real sticking point seemed to be a $23B/year price tag. Further complicating things is the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan. 

Trump is pissed because there's no easy answer and he's caught between his military and his nationalist base led by Bannon. It's resulted in a lack of direction from the WH for the Pentagon. 
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/07/31/holdup-mattis-strategy-afghanistan-white-house-dunford.html

$23B seems like a bit of piss in the pot out of the nearly $600B we spend on defense.  But I suspect that we are also running through the cash with Iraq more active, and all the sea power we are doing around NKor.

I still think McMasters largely buys into odummers odd view of terrorists.  Yeah he wants to send more troops in Afghanistan as our military is requesting them.   But you can pretty much bet he buys into the french/odummer style view of it all, that we should spend a lot of time and money making friends and getting them jobs. 

Trump is holding back for a strategic plan.  Sending troops as things are now is really just a titanic style deck chair rearrangement. 

Agree that Pakistan presents additional challenges.  If enemy can cross the border and safe haven, it is going to be even more imperative that we seal a town down, then destroy these combatants.  Chasing them around the mountains is waste of time. 

I do not think Trump ever thought anything in the Middle East/Afghanistan would be easy.  I think he thought it was largely a military problem, one for which our military is built for, and getting politician out of the way would be, in large part, the right answer. 

I do not think there is anything in nationalism that says we can not use a our military.  Nationalism is more saying that the globalists are wrong.  That taking the inner city dem political machine concept of handing out sandwiches for votes and having our military exercise that in foreign lands is dumb.   That when we do use the our military we should use them for our own nations interests.  We should not be afraid to state clearly that the middle east remains strategic to the US because 1) oil, 2) sea lanes, 3) isreal.  F' em if they want to lose their minds over our reasons.    We are not there to nation build, or get them jobs or whatever else crazy crap.  We will do those if they accomplish our main objectives.  



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$23B seems like a bit of piss in the pot out of the nearly $600B we spend on defense.  But I suspect that we are also running through the cash with Iraq more active, and all the sea power we are doing around NKor.
$23B/year is a lot of money for Trump because he's new to Washington, it's for several years and he would rather spend it on other things. He reacted strongly to AF1 and F35 costs that were much less.

I still think McMasters largely buys into odummers odd view of terrorists.  Yeah he wants to send more troops in Afghanistan as our military is requesting them.   But you can pretty much bet he buys into the french/odummer style view of it all, that we should spend a lot of time and money making friends and getting them jobs. 
Sounds speculative and I don't think it applies to Afghanistan. Your rhetoric aside, we do need to be concerned in the wake of ISIS that moderate Sunnis are able to establish sustainable autonomy so another extremist mutation doesn't rise up.

Trump is holding back for a strategic plan.  Sending troops as things are now is really just a titanic style deck chair rearrangement. 

Agree that Pakistan presents additional challenges.  If enemy can cross the border and safe haven, it is going to be even more imperative that we seal a town down, then destroy these combatants.  Chasing them around the mountains is waste of time. 
Taliban is a different animal than ISIS, which has been more like a conventional force, so that tactic isn't applicable. BTW, ISIS elements will remain and operate more like the Taliban after they lose their remaining cities.

I do not think Trump ever thought anything in the Middle East/Afghanistan would be easy.  I think he thought it was largely a military problem, one for which our military is built for, and getting politician out of the way would be, in large part, the right answer. 

I do not think there is anything in nationalism that says we can not use a our military.  Nationalism is more saying that the globalists are wrong.  That taking the inner city dem political machine concept of handing out sandwiches for votes and having our military exercise that in foreign lands is dumb.   That when we do use the our military we should use them for our own nations interests.  We should not be afraid to state clearly that the middle east remains strategic to the US because 1) oil, 2) sea lanes, 3) isreal.  F' em if they want to lose their minds over our reasons.    We are not there to nation build, or get them jobs or whatever else crazy crap.  We will do those if they accomplish our main objectives.  

True, but off-topic. There is clearly a difference of opinion within the WH and I labeled one side "military" because of the generals involved.

Our only national interest in Afghanistan is terrorist groups aren't allowed space to be a threat to us or our allies. Other than that, we shouldn't care about their civil war with the Taliban other than them resolving it in a way that serves our needs. Sometimes I think both sides are using it as a way to keep us pouring money into their country.
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Anyone who supports a 15 + year war needs to have their head checked.............There's something seriously wrong with 'em............Or, they're making tons of money from the war..............

There's no third choice...........
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Anyone who supports a 15 + year war needs to have their head checked.............There's something seriously wrong with 'em............Or, they're making tons of money from the war..............

There's no third choice...........


obama did his part to keep it going

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