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When I went to school and then my kids went to school, we didn't need the federal government to weigh in on vaccinating our children.  A lot can be said for state's rights and the knowledge local officials have over a bloated, out-of-control federal behemoth.  It only made sense that children in Texas were vaccinated BEFORE they were ALLOWED to go to school.

At least this lesbian couple found the right answer and I doubt you can blame their refusal to vaccinate their child on the GOP dewdy.  Only dewdy could blame those who don't vaccinate on politics, when it's actually stupid people. 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/02/i-didn-t-vaccinate-my-child-and-i-regret-it.html

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You are on the immigration thread dewy speaking on politics, come on over here and scratch your boy's back

"The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."
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Now that's funny, kir!!

Rand Paul has some other interesting ideas - from cincinnati.com -

The Louisville Courier-Journal reports that Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul belongs to a professional organization - billed as a conservative alternative to the American Medical Association – that holds some questionable medical views, including that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS, abortion increases a woman’s risk for breast cancer, President Barack Obama hypnotized voters in 2008, and that “there is no settled science on anything”.    

Read the C-J’s story here.

And Wakefield's "study" linking the MMR vaccine to autism was pretty much determined to be fraudulent and he was stripped of his medical license, yet people still believe it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/us/a-discredited-vaccine-studys-continuing-impact-on-public-health.html


One man's view -

Vaccine Skepticism Isn't a Conservative Problem, but It's a Problem for Conservatives

"But two facts about vaccine skeptics and the risks they pose make it difficult for Chris Christie and perhaps other Republicans to treat anti-vaxxers as brusquely as he’s happy to treat unionized teachers in Newark.

It’s not that Republicans must pretend to believe that vaccines cause autism. But a large, motivated population of vaccine skeptics begs for interventions Republicans can’t easily get behind. The two most straightforward ways to increase vaccination rates or otherwise reduce the risk of losing herd immunity are: Imposing government mandates and stigmatizing the white, affluent people who comprise the core of the anti-vaxx movement.

Hectoring white people and imposing mandates on their families doesn't fit comfortably in the GOP wheelhouse these days, and Christie's awkward walkback underscores the bind that places on conservatives exquisitely."




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I just read a quote that "it's those communities with the Prius-driving, composting,organic food-eating people". Vaccine refusal is higher among educated elite.
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DC I can appreciate you trying to pin the spread of measles on rand Paul and Chris Christie but all you are doing is showing your small attention to detail. If you don't want to weigh in on where this outbreak started then just admit your ignorance if you have no educated guess.

Even dewy is blaming the outbreak on presidential candidates. I say it was a strain on our country to allow so many unvaccinated into our country as many in the medical field have cited. BTW, candidate Ben Carson said get the damn vaccine.

Hillary and obama both had doubts about the vaccine to autism relationship 7 years ago, libtards are making too much of what 2 candidates said about a vaccine. I bet the four of them had their kids get the vaccines. The bigger problem is where did this outbreak originate.

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http://vaccines.procon.org/

Rand wasn't too far off from his dad's thinking.

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Ron Paul, MD, former US Representative (R-TX), in an Oct. 19, 2011 article, "Government Vaccines – Bad Policy, Bad Medicine," stated, "intimately personal medical decisions should not be made by government… Freedom over one’s physical person is the most basic freedom of all, and people in a free society should be sovereign over their own bodies. When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we in essence accept that the state owns our bodies." [90] 


 I agree it should NOT be a government mandate to vaccinate.  It's just common sense stupid


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http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g1lev1/an-outbreak-of-liberal-idiocy
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Even ISIS supports getting kids vaccinated


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One of the owners of the company I work for has a granddaughter that is severely handicapped. One day she is a happy normal 3 1/2 year old later that week she is rushed to the ER in the middle of the night in a coma. After rounds and rounds of discussion the medical explanation is that she had a reaction to the combination of vaccines given to her that week during her routine checkup. The mother has testified before congressional hearings, and spent years waiting. just recently, more the 10 years later, the childs' case has been settled with payouts coming from a fund maintained by the manufactures and overseen and distributed by the government. 

Last time they were in to visit she was less control of her motor skills then she had at 3 1/2, in a 14 yr old body.


EX:


NATIONAL CHILDHOOD VACCINE INJURY ACT AND VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT REPORTING SYSTEM

In 1986 the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act [14] was passed in response to a large number of lawsuits filed claiming vaccines were causing adverse reactions including brain damage and death. [15] The Act shielded medical professionals and vaccine manufacturers from liability if an individual suffered injury from receiving vaccines. The Act mandated that vaccine injury claims be filed with the US Court of Federal Claims rather than filed directly against physicians or vaccine manufacturers in civil court. Unlike civil court, people filing injury claims are not required to prove negligence or failure to warn; they only need to prove that a vaccine caused injury. [16] 

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We've had anti-vaxxers for years. Where do your think all these new measles cases may have come from?

Hint#1: summer
Hint#2: illegals
Hint#3: Obama

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I understand FIB. That point has been made on the immigration thread today. Please join us there.

This thread is a result where dewy blamed the GOP for this outbreak and bill suggested it was the anti-vaxxers before he deleted his post.

Obama, his pen and his phone are responsible for this outbreak

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I just read a quote that "it's those communities with the Prius-driving, composting,organic food-eating people". Vaccine refusal is higher among educated elite.


Now that you are up-to-speed and deflecting the thread, can I come out of the corner and play?


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Of course you can, your diversion was duly noted.
Like FIB stated, the anti-vaxxers have been around awhile. I know you live an insulated life as dewy does and as long as you aren't directly affected then it's all fun and games.

I would just like someone to make an intelligent guess about the coincidence with this measle outbreak. Thousands of unvaccinated children crossed our borders 8 months ago and now we have an outbreak? Come on man

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I understand FIB. That point has been made on the immigration thread today. Please join us there.

This thread is a result where dewy blamed the GOP for this outbreak and bill suggested it was the anti-vaxxers before he deleted his post.

Obama, his pen and his phone are responsible for this outbreak


Sorry kiir, been pretty busy, and it's hard enough keeping up with the real world fiascos of this administration, let alone the bizarro spin from the democrats here. Lol

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We've had anti-vaxxers for years. Where do your think all these new measles cases may have come from?

Hint#1: summer
Hint#2: illegals
Hint#3: Obama


Not at all should be sorry, if I'm thinking what you're thinking I'm pretty proud of myself.

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...bill suggested it was the anti-vaxxers before he deleted his post.


No.

I commented on my own corner of the world. You've come to identify it properly as,

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"it's those communities with the Prius-driving, composting,organic food-eating people".


That's where I live. South of Marin, west of Berkeley, north of Silicon Valley. Wasn't disputing what might be occurring in Texas. Just noting that outbreaks of childhood disease here can be from folks that are avoiding vaccinating their children as opposed to illegals. And that thought  process is fueled by Dr. Oz and Oprah. Not Obama.

I should have just finished that post with a very non-PC bit of humor I had crafted and you'd have been happy. [tongue]

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Marin County, Calif., an affluent area where, according to Butler, "skipping immunizations is far from unusual among parents," where kindergartners have "one of the nation's lowest vaccination rates," and "the county also has the second-highest rate of pertussis (whooping cough) in California."
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Yup. The school at which I coach on the San Francisco mid-peninsula has listed a 'pertussis' alert on the website every year for at least the past three.

As I mentioned in the deleted post, it's like pot holes. [rofl]

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From the TexasObsersver:

The Central American kids arriving in Texas are likely to be better-vaccinated than children in Texas.

Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease.
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Dewey- That 'observation' is only valid if someone is testing the illegals that are crossing the border in Texas. Are they the vaccinated Central Americans? Or those that have lived on cartel plantations, unserved by gov't programs or goodwill visits by US and other doctors that often are faith-based outreach efforts?

This is all so much a reminder of something the sport of fastpitch harbors. The finger pointing that takes place when there is an outbreak of lice.

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I don't think Texas has the problems with the outbreak but I'll have to check.  I GUARANTEE you that Texas vaccination numbers are better than California's, therefore we enjoy the "herd" immunity and you don't.  (That number would be 92-94% for whooping cough, don't know measles).

Let's focus our discussion here on California dewdy, that seems to be the measles epicenter.

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Bill - Agreed.  All this is speculation and mostly to take another shot at Obama.  Just the same, if Central America does have a higher vaccination rate than Texas, the odds would be greater the measles outbreak is domestic in nature.
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It's all just a big coincidence, I'm sure. The reports of disease ridden children crossing the border were all fabricated, no doubt.
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We never had lice problems in softball either, on about 6 different teams throughout my daughter's 12 years.  In schools yes there were epidemics, never in softball.
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Dewey- That 'observation' is only valid if someone is testing the illegals that are crossing the border in Texas. Are they the vaccinated Central Americans? Or those that have lived on cartel plantations, unserved by gov't programs or goodwill visits by US and other doctors that often are faith-based outreach efforts?


Exactly Bill, these people are herded to bus terminals and disseminated across the country, they don't bring their shot records with them.

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States ranking.

California has higher rate than Texas on MMR vaccine.
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Bill - Agreed.  All this is speculation and mostly to take another shot at Obama.  Just the same, if Central America does have a higher vaccination rate than Texas, the odds would be greater the measles outbreak is domestic in nature.


well we know there is a better vaccination rate in Central America than there is in California.



Looks like to me that there are 2 avenues here to drive the blame game bus.  It's those coming from central America or the anti-vaxxers.  There are no other answers I see, so please tell us dewy where the outbreak came from.  Give us your shot at your best answer.  No good answer for you here is it?  Blame your president or blame the citizens of your state.

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You see, before your rabbit hole, everyone agrees that Disneyland was ground zero, not Texas.  We'll get back to your tangent in a minute.

It’s more about pockets of unvaccinated people, communities at risk because herd immunity has been lowered locally. California has many of these regions. But to add another layer on to this, it’s not just left-leaning upper-class hippies behind this. Vaccine denial is nonpartisan. So we have to be careful not to throw blame at someone just because of their political ideology.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/02/03/disneyland_measles_anti_vax_beliefs_are_just_one_part_of_all_this.html 



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From the TexasObsersver:

The Central American kids arriving in Texas are likely to be better-vaccinated than children in Texas.

Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease.


BS Dewey. Just total BS. These are the very people, along with Mexican Nationals along with other VISA jumping foreigners that are pouring into the US that are carrying Measles, the Enderovirus, and drug resistant TB, along with other diseases that were virtually wiped out in the US.

As for the article, children in Texas can, and do receive low cost, or no cost vaccinations at almost every community center in the state. There are active drives to vaccinate children in late summer every year, because every child that enrolls in a Texas school, except for Obama's illegal alien children, cannot attend school in our state without proper documentation of required immunizations, PERIOD. No shot record, no admittance into the classroom. The VAST majority of unvaccinated children, are illegal aliens from Mexico, or the children of Mexican Nationals here illegally.The remainder of unvaccinated children in Texas are home schooled children who's parents either object to vaccinations for reasons from religious convictions, to fear of side effects from the drugs themselves. The remaining unvaccinated children, are likely born to parents that are so ignorant, or stupid, that they do not understand that childhood vaccinations are available, or what a vaccination even is, or what diseases they can prevent. Really, there are people that are that stupid, and they are breeding more people just like themselves, not just ignorant of basic life skills, but just plain stupid. If nobody put a roof over their head, and food in their hand each day, nature would cull them out quickly.

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