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uwApoligist

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Legally I'd say it's a cell mass until 20 weeks. Once the fetus can reasonably exist outside the womb, there are serious moral issues. Brain activity nor a heartbeat necessarily fill that requirement for me. 

Legally if you pregnant lady has a 10 week old baby.  She is shot, and the shot kills her and her baby the murderer is always charged with two murders.  One for the mother and one for the child.  In that scenario, when does the cell mass become a baby?  Is it magic?



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You'll have to take that up with the Supreme Court. Over my pay grade. Sounds like two different scenarios. 
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Once again, requiring all others to find a one hour old fetus to be equivalent to a 30 week old fetus only weakens efforts to reduce abortions.
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Legally if you pregnant lady has a 10 week old baby.  She is shot, and the shot kills her and her baby the murderer is always charged with two murders.  One for the mother and one for the child.  In that scenario, when does the cell mass become a baby?  Is it magic?




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Wait, what?  


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Who cares?

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Legally if you pregnant lady has a 10 week old baby.  She is shot, and the shot kills her and her baby the murderer is always charged with two murders.  One for the mother and one for the child.  In that scenario, when does the cell mass become a baby?  Is it magic?

It is just one scenario.  Seems if you think it is a group of cells you would be interested in this magic that turns into a murdered baby when shot. 

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Webster the only dictionary defining child as unborn also. The rest all agree with me, I can't be expected to look at every friggin dictionary every time you say something inflammatory. Child does sound worse than mass of cells though, the point stands.


Of course “mass of cells” sounds better. It was tested and distributed as what to call the child to attempt to minimize what was actually happening.
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It is just one scenario.  Seems if you think it is a group of cells you would be interested in this magic that turns into a murdered baby when shot. 


The legal difference is the mother actually wanting the child to live, as opposed to not wanting the child.
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Trust me boys.  Living in Seattle i get to experience the stupidity up front and center.  What I say will become your reality.  If you live in San Fran, or Portland, you will see it in a day or two, in DC, New York, Chicago a year or two, but eventually you will see it, you can count on that.

15 years ago the envirowhackos went insane on brown grocery sacks.  It is killing our forests.  It creates litter.  They are horrible.  They had to go.   Ok, I says, whatever.  No one really cares anyway.  

I remember reading a few people say: "but hold up a sec envirowhacko, paper bags are made from sustainable forests, which ultimately proccess bilions and billions of tons of CO2 and we need them"  to which envrowhacko would just scream, lose their mind, call people climate cooling deniers, and try and burn down their houses.

Fast forward to 3 years ago.  Hey look it is envirowhacko again.  this time he is saying
"You guys are complete a-holes." 
What? 
"Yeah, always, complete a-holes." 
Come on dude, we are just living our lives, raising our kids going to work every day.  How can we be a-holes for that? 
"All those damn plastic sacks you are using.  You see them blowing all over hell, stuck in fences, plugging up drains, they are getting in the oceans killing dolphins.  You are an a-hole for even asking questions."
Hmm.  You are sort of hard to talk to.  But if you remember back 15 years ago when you demanded we have to use our great powers of government to rid us of the scourge of brown paper bags and their destructions of our forests, we told you we did not like those plastic bags cause they fly all over the place and get stuck in fences.  Besides it seems it mostly your homeless folks that gather up hundreds of these sacks and just abandon them everywhere that are the biggest culprit. 
"Nope, see there you go again, denying our climate warming errr i mean climate changing.  Now we must use our powers of government to get rid of these evil plastic bags."
Ok, whatevers.  You seem to get super emotional and angry and then fly off in any random direction half cocked.   Why not slow down, if  there is a real problem we will certainly work together to resolve it.  We always have.  Leaded gas, sun spots, PCBs, DDT, Solar, Wind ...  The plan is always the same.  Find reasonably economical alternatives and the market adopts them.
"NOOOOO, we are not going to do it that way!!!!.  Instead we will threaten to burn your house down.  Besides you are just doing this to make me look like a whacko"
hmmm. ok. whatevs. 





I had to go find this and read it again.  One of my favorite posts, ever


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