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Dewey

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Are you for or against such laws?
keepinitreal

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I am for S&F, used in conjunction with the right amount of profiling
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ForeverInBlue

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Are you for or against such laws?


Are you?

You seem stuck in this topic, has Obama nominated Kelly to oversee the further implementation of his police state?
Dewey

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FIB - So you knew what I was trying to head off?  You're all ready to criticize a potential Obama appointment and I was trying to get you to go on record first.  Reminds me of the Supreme Court decision over gay marriage when many came out, "after the fact" and said, good call.  Too easy to agree after the call is made.  Anyways, I stated yesterday I'm an opponent of stop and frisk but I'm open to being persuaded why I'm wrong.  Now what say you?  Sounds like you're against.
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FIB - Would I be wrong to say you are against both Drones used as weapons of war and water-boarding as an interrogation technique?
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FIB - Would I be wrong to say you are against both Drones used as weapons of war and water-boarding as an interrogation technique?


LMAO, do you consider yourself a decent 'judge' of people?  Or, are you eat up with the DA?

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Dewey

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Let me ask, does anyone believe the Constitution covers "stop and frisk" laws?
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I believe stop and frisk to be unconstitutional. If there is reasonable suspicion to believe that a person was involved in a crime, stop and frisk could be interpreted as legal. If evidence is collected during an unconstitutional stop and frisk, it shouldn't be admisable in a court of law.
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I don't know if Obama is for or against stop and frisk laws but I chimed in before he indicated. I've just learned that maybe some others are waiting to hear from Obama before they take a stand.
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I'll admit, I'm not even sure what this is.  Do you mean it to be akin to unresasonable search and search, without warrant or basis?

If so, then no.
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We will not know if obama is for it or against it until Valerie Jarrett tells him how to weigh in on the subject.  He probably does not care one way or the other.  He will just delegate someone to tell him how to weigh in on the matter, whatever the teleprompter tells him to say.  He has no original ideas, I don't know why dewey would think the clown would mention his opinion on the matter.
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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
rocklifter

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Ill chime in what the heck.....

Gay marriage: No
Water boarding: Yes
Stop and Frisk: Only if the lady is really good looking. Heck Im old...as long as she don't mind I don't either.

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mikec

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Sharpton's greatest contribution so far:  if you're not black, and you comment on black Americans, then you're a racist.

Dewey

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I think this argument is more about shifting the focus from the Trayvon trial to the ills of the black community.  I have no doubt everyone wants to see young black men realize a better life.  It's a good message but the timing is being questioned.  In any event, any young black or white man who chooses to focus on education, stay out of gangs, grow up to be a great contributor to society as well as a wonderful and responsible father, has earned my deep respect and sincere admiration.
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Slapper

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If this is you - please step away from your computer for awhile and give us a break
keepinitreal

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Can't be me. 

I weigh less than 200, don't wear glasses, don't believe in wood paneling, have some telephone wiring experience so would not have a phone jack in the middle of my wall.

Now hopefully with 21 posts in 8 years you can next time bring your A game.  dewey is tiring from carrying all the water. 


Please hang around and help him, you will make a good team






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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Slapper

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sorry - you and yours are not worth my A game - more important fish to fry
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Not worth your A game yet here you are.
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Dewey - I do chuckle at generalizations like "the black community".  Can you imagine if I wrote "In the white community percentages of pancakes at breakfast are falling in the Midwest".   Yikes. There are as many "communities" within people who are grouped as "people of color" as there are among "people without color unless it's summer time".     Frank
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Dewey

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JG - You're right because "black community" is way too general.  In any event, some TV pundits on the Right are taking up the cause to discuss the plight of black on black crime and this is what I was referencing.  Maybe inner city poor black neighborhoods would be better adjectives.  While the high crime rates in these cities is a very important issue to address, one can't help but question the timing of this new found concern from our friends on the Right when it immediately follows the questionable Zimmerman verdict.
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JG - You're right because "black community" is way too general.  In any event, some TV pundits on the Right are taking up the cause to discuss the plight of black on black crime and this is what I was referencing.  Maybe inner city poor black neighborhoods would be a adjectives.  While the high crime rates in these cities is a very important issue to address, one can't help but question the timing of this new found concern from our friends on the Right when it immediately follows the questionable Zimmerman verdict.


No, the hypocrisy came from the loons on the left just after the Newtown massacre and the clown's reelection.  Not a peep out of them during the first term.  However, while the graves were still fresh with new dug soil, the libs started hootin and hollerin about universal background checks, high capacity magazines and other gun talk that they had never talked before.  dewey has been a member here for 9 years and I could not find a gun control post of his until AFTER Newtown.  Then he wants to state something as idiotic as he did in post #21.

Then, one black teen is killed in Florida and all of a sudden we have race baiters who want to tell us how America is so racist.  Hello pot, meet kettle.  So not a peep was said for years about 400-500 murders a year that occurred in Chicago, where many of the race baiters homestead.  It's called hypocrisy, clean up your own house you libtards before you start telling someone else how to live.  Typical loony hypocrisy, that was the point to all you confused bimbos.  The Zimmerman verdict wasn't questionable, most people who know the law understood it just fine, the law worked the way it was supposed to work.  Get over it.

p.s. come on back slapper, we need to see if you are a hypocrite like the rest of them.  Your team needs you

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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It's a good message but the timing is being questioned. 
  You started the thread.  Who is questioning the timing??  You and Al Sharpton are the only 2 race baiters I hear

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
JoiseyGuy

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Dewey - It would not matter if the inner city folks were green with big eyes, bald heads,  and horizontal purple stripes, or even without color, as the problem is sociological (cultural ethical) and especially financial (economics).  I don't see any agency aside from government that has the structure and power to address the problem with any hope of correction (corporate America could certainly help but that might take away from the profit motive).  At present we are simply doing a lousy job of what needs to be done (one aspect is survival education).  But that brings us circle round to corruption in government.   Frank 
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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real - You can tell me - are you really Karl Rove, chief demonizer for George W. Bush?  Just curious.   Frank  -  You are really good at what you do.  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG, you have been an educator. So I pose this question to you. Ignorant people are subject to being manipulated and used. Stupid people are almost always manipulated and used. At what point should the public school system, the DOE, and the teachers unions be called out to explain the lack of progress, after untold amounts of our nations treasure has been given to them to perform the task of educating children. I am not attacking, nor blaming these organizations for the lack of progress. Just asking why they are hesitant to call out the real source of the problem. In my opinion, there are generations of not only ignorant, but primarily stupid people breeding. Those people, the ones that could not achieve anything in school, and now are on the welfare rolls, specifically because they are not intelligent enough to actually function in a job of any sorts. Employers do not want stupid people. They may desire to train an ignorant person, if they are intelligent enough, to grasp the concept of the task a company wishes them to perform. Where did all these ignorant, and stupid people come from. These are the people on the welfare rolls. The generations of "disadvantaged" people. This didn't occur overnight. It was expanded upon, and these people are being used by a political party. Who is enabling the captive breeding program that is generational welfare? What end does it serve? Which political party is the defender of this program of failure, and most importantly, why do they continue to support programs that endure our nations children in a cycle of poverty? When will the ignorant, and stupid parents of the problem be called out, and expected to be responsible parents? Who will do it? If a Conservative ask these hard questions they are labeled racist, and uncaring. I would ask, where is the compassion of the left, that would continue a system that produces failure. To what political end is it, and which party gains from this failure?
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Fed judge rules NY S&F law is unconstitutional, violates 14th *and* 4th Amendments.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/12/breaking-federal-judge-rules-nycs-stop-and-frisk-unconstitutional/

Or here is ABC if you rely only on MSM sources

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/us-judge-orders-nypd-stop-frisk-monitor-19935050

And here is the ruling, 198 pages if you're so inclined


http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/159709412



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JG - You're right because "black community" is way too general.  In any event, some TV pundits on the Right are taking up the cause to discuss the plight of black on black crime and this is what I was referencing.  Maybe inner city poor black neighborhoods would be better adjectives.  While the high crime rates in these cities is a very important issue to address, one can't help but question the timing of this new found concern from our friends on the Right when it immediately follows the questionable Zimmerman verdict.


Why would it matter, the timing and motivation, if this black on black crime is an issue that concerns you?

If you are an advocate for cleaning up these dangerous neighborhoods, you should welcome increased focus and concern from the Right. But instead you choose to attack, and alienate, a potential ally in your cause. Only to turn back around later and complain that they won't work with you. Little wonder.
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Ill chime in what the heck.....

Stop and Frisk: Only if the lady is really good looking. Heck Im old...as long as she don't mind I don't either.


rocklifter - In NYC, that's called Cop a feel.
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Fed judge rules NY S&F law is unconstitutional, violates 14th *and* 4th Amendments. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/12/breaking-federal-judge-rules-nycs-stop-and-frisk-unconstitutional/ Or here is ABC if you rely only on MSM sources http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/us-judge-orders-nypd-stop-frisk-monitor-19935050 And here is the ruling, 198 pages if you're so inclined http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/159709412



A sensible ruling from the bench.

I have always felt that individuals looking to narrow the interpretation of the 2nd amendment would be the first to scream the loudest when the same constrictions were imposed on the 1st or 4th amendments. It now seems that I was sadly mistaken. The fact that so many are willing to sacrifice their rights just floors me.

“A lot of people are being frisked or searched on suspicion of having a gun and nobody has a gun,” she said. Only 0.14 percent of stops have led to police finding guns. “So the point is suspicion turns out to be wrong in most cases.”


This is racial profiling at its' worst and there seems to be hardly a peep from the impacted community. SMH


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