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Que the Uncle Tom response from the left


Agreed although that's going to be a tough one for them.  Few people have more credibility when it comes to civil rights activism than Jim Brown.
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Question - should we remove any public monuments or tributes to Bill Clinton given his history of misogyny?  Should we ban any contemplated monuments to Hillary Clinton given her reference to blacks as super predators?  Shouldn't we eliminate any and all public monuments and tributes to Robert Byrd given his long and illustrious history as a senior klansman?


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Around these parts, there are several parks/monuments for Cherokee Indians.  They owned slaves (took them along on trail of tears), and fought and killed US soldiers.

They should go.
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Around these parts, there are several parks/monuments for Cherokee Indians.  They owned slaves (took them along on trail of tears), and fought and killed US soldiers.

They should go.



They referred to them as freedmen, and have revoked their tribal roll numbers, kicking them out of the Cherokee tribe. There is currently a case filed in federal court about this action. 


Now this could all get very interesting since recently a judge ruled on a convicted murderer that since he was native american his trial should have been held in tribal court instead. If this ruling stands, it will set precedent that US courts have no jurisdiction.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/experts-court-ruling-overturning-native-american-man-s-murder-conviction/article_dd761b1d-2d9c-5542-8a50-771f2f92de85.html

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It is up to the people of the local area to decide what to put up or take down. One statement or action does not define a historical figure. No one is perfect. I don't know of any monuments to Pres. Clinton. That's a BS argument.

But the reasons behind putting up the memorial and the underlying cause are important. Many civil war statues are not just about one general--the courthouse marker was not about a figure. It was more about the organization that put it up decades later! (See the size of their inscription to themselves!!) A proper process should take place before putting up any monument to deal with pros and cons, content, and emphasis of the memorial. So then perhaps they won't need to be taken down.


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It is up to the people of the local area to decide what to put up or take down. One statement or action does not define a historical figure. No one is perfect. I don't know of any monuments to Pres. Clinton. That's a BS argument.




A picture was posted of Willy Clinton statue last week.  See how much you miss when you're a drive-by poster?

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and there it is
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Around these parts, there are several parks/monuments for Cherokee Indians.  They owned slaves (took them along on trail of tears), and fought and killed US soldiers.

They should go.


get rid of them

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Certainly the public and local govt. knew the pros and cons of a Clinton statue before putting it up. And it is not decades after Clinton's death, done to push an agenda through what is inscribed on the statue.

Congrats for finding one regional statue. Within 50 miles of me, there are over 20 confed statues put up decades after the civil war.

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Of course slick willie's statue was 'erected' to push an agenda. You libs trying to normalize that sick sexual predator. We noticed.
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Of course slick willie's statue was 'erected' to push an agenda. You libs trying to normalize that sick sexual predator. We noticed.

hehehe.  

Look at that grin on his face.  His frickin hand is in the position as if it was on top of a young ladies head giving him oral sex.  We noticed for sure. 

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Seems you tore down the wrong statues. 

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I can't find this statement confirmed anywhere. What book are you showing there? How do you know it is reliable?
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Lincoln would've kept all the slaves where they were if it would've avoided the war.
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I can't find this statement confirmed anywhere. What book are you showing there? How do you know it is reliable?
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I can't find this statement confirmed anywhere. What book are you showing there? How do you know it is reliable?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=i+wish+that+i+owned+every+slave+in+the+south

https://twitter.com/dkpublishing/status/586287556825755648
http://www.quotes.net/quote/15082
https://sites.google.com/site/americancivilwarusproject/quotes

Seems legit to me.  There is one link where they are searching for the exact origin of the quote.  Probably would need a Lee scholar to fully confirm date and time and context said.  

The quote

Hey look, I think I found a newer version of the same book from the image. https://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Visual-History/dp/075667185X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503780905&sr=8-2&keywords=smithsonian+civil+war+book

Some on the left are pointing to the above quote as proof that Lee knew the war was about slavery, so it is a quote that can cut both ways.

I think it is proof positive that you should be careful about which statues you are ripping out.  Scholarly debate about history, about which ones were erected for only white supremacists reasons.  Having arbitrary roving gangs of political thugs doing it is a f'n wreck, and we all better step up and stop that immediately, or we will all pay the price. 

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The idiot Antifa thugs destroyed a statue in OH. The only problem was it was a statue of a revolutionary war hero, not someone from the Civil War. Once the media fueled theses rabid fools by legitimizing their criminal behavior they couldn't save themselves from their own stupidity
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Seems you tore down the wrong statues. 

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First of all, this ain't about statues. It's about a president and a movement of his supporters who are white supremacists. Fact.

But back to Robert E. Lee: No one has ever questioned the ability of white southerner to glorify their confederate heros. I grew up in Alabama. Trust me, it is a revered art form. I was never even taught a single thing about the manner in which slave traders brought hurded hundreds of Africans at a time into the hulls of ships for a grotesque journey across the ocean, a practice which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands. And the entirety of our lesson on slavery was "Yes, I will have to say, salvery was bad. BUT ... then for the rest of the semester they glorified the confederacy. At 11 years old I hated the carpetbaggers and skalawags with a passion. They were portrayed as far more evil than the true evil - those who owned other humans and fought a war to keep it that way.

So... you posting a picture from some museum glorifying Robert E. Lee is cute, but meaningless. He never freed those that he controlled.  And he chose to lead the war effort of the side fighting to keep their slaves. When a person's words and their actions conflict, the actions prevail. Everyone knows this.

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The idiot Antifa thugs destroyed a statue in OH. The only problem was it was a statue of a revolutionary war hero, not someone from the Civil War. Once the media fueled theses rabid fools by legitimizing their criminal behavior they couldn't save themselves from their own stupidity



If that's true, it was idiotic and criminal. 

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The idiot Antifa thugs destroyed a statue in OH. The only problem was it was a statue of a revolutionary war hero, not someone from the Civil War. Once the media fueled theses rabid fools by legitimizing their criminal behavior they couldn't save themselves from their own stupidity



Can you point me to one single time you have EVER spoken about neo-Nazis, extreme white supremacists, etc in the manner you speak about antifa above? Since I know that no such post exists, can you explain why you prefer Nazis and white supremacists? Why they don't generate a damn bit of outrage in you?  

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=i+wish+that+i+owned+every+slave+in+the+south

https://twitter.com/dkpublishing/status/586287556825755648
http://www.quotes.net/quote/15082
https://sites.google.com/site/americancivilwarusproject/quotes

Seems legit to me.  There is one link where they are searching for the exact origin of the quote.  Probably would need a Lee scholar to fully confirm date and time and context said.  

The quote

Hey look, I think I found a newer version of the same book from the image. https://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Visual-History/dp/075667185X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503780905&sr=8-2&keywords=smithsonian+civil+war+book

Some on the left are pointing to the above quote as proof that Lee knew the war was about slavery, so it is a quote that can cut both ways.

I think it is proof positive that you should be careful about which statues you are ripping out.  Scholarly debate about history, about which ones were erected for only white supremacists reasons.  Having arbitrary roving gangs of political thugs doing it is a f'n wreck, and we all better step up and stop that immediately, or we will all pay the price. 



Lee led the war effort of the confederacy. He was THE LEADER of the people who owned slaves and fought a war to preserve the institution of slavery. That is proof positive that not one damn statue of such traitor should stand anywhere. Got it?

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bump

First of all, this ain't about statues. It's about a president trump and a movement of his supporters who are white supremacists. Fact.

But back to Robert E. Lee and you posting that quote: No one has ever questioned the ability of white southerner to glorify their confederate heros. I grew up in Alabama. Trust me, it is a revered art form. I was never even taught a single thing about the manner in which slave traders hurded hundreds of Africans at a time into the hulls of ships for a grotesque journey across the ocean, a practice which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands. And the entirety of our lesson on slavery was "Yes, I will have to say, salvery was bad. BUT ... then for the rest of the semester they glorified the confederacy. At 11 years old I hated Sherman and I hated the carpetbaggers and skalawags with a passion. They were portrayed as far more evil than the true evil - those who owned other humans and fought a war to keep it that way.

So... you posting a picture from some museum glorifying Robert E. Lee is cute, but meaningless. He never freed those that he controlled.  And he chose to lead the war effort of the side fighting to keep their slaves. When a person's words and their actions conflict, the actions prevail. Everyone knows this.

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Can you point me to one single time you have EVER spoken about neo-Nazis, extreme white supremacists, etc in the manner you speak about antifa above? Since I know that no such post exists, can you explain why you prefer Nazis and white supremacists? Why they don't generate a damn bit of outrage in you?  

The right always disowns kkk, neo nazi's.  All 600 of them.  They are irrelevant except as a backdrop for CNN's  attempts to paint Trump as a nazi, or whatever they are trying to do.

Why no disavow from the left and antifa?  Antifa is actually much larger, way more violent, and openly trying to impose their view on everyone else by shutting down debate.  The left better wake up.  

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So do you think the Union generals and their statues are all good?
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=i+wish+that+i+owned+every+slave+in+the+south

Did that, found no confirmation. 

https://twitter.com/dkpublishing/status/586287556825755648

This is a fukking Tweet.

http://www.quotes.net/quote/15082

Quotes does not stand behind their quoters. They show no justification, just they saw it somewhere.

https://sites.google.com/site/americancivilwarusproject/quotes

Well, it's on the internet so it must be true. You have to be kidding.

A blog that has no reference to where it came from. The same type person as you that considers wanting something to be true enough. This is not proof.

Seems legit to me.  There is one link where they are searching for the exact origin of the quote.  Probably would need a Lee scholar to fully confirm date and time and context said.  

The quote

Hey look, I think I found a newer version of the same book from the image. https://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Visual-History/dp/075667185X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503780905&sr=8-2&keywords=smithsonian+civil+war+book

Some on the left are pointing to the above quote as proof that Lee knew the war was about slavery, so it is a quote that can cut both ways.

I think it is proof positive that you should be careful about which statues you are ripping out.  Scholarly debate about history, about which ones were erected for only white supremacists reasons.  Having arbitrary roving gangs of political thugs doing it is a f'n wreck, and we all better step up and stop that immediately, or we will all pay the price. 
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Can you point me to one single time you have EVER spoken about neo-Nazis, extreme white supremacists, etc in the manner you speak about antifa above? Since I know that no such post exists, can you explain why you prefer Nazis and white supremacists? Why they don't generate a damn bit of outrage in you?  

I don't bother because they are an irrelevant zit on a pigs arse. They have been playing their pretend life for years and nobody cared or gave them the time of day. Then all of a sudden the media decided to make it their latest and greatest crisis in America. Why is the left all of a sudden so obsessed with 5k people in the country other than to cause turmoil. Where was this perceived outrage last year, 5 years ago, 20 years ago. It was nowhere to be found because it is just a manufactured crisis. Rules for radicals in plain sight.
Stop acting like this is a major issue in America, it's just not.
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Leftists have engaged in violence during multiple protests.  Rightists have murdered four Americans in Portland, Manhattan, and Charlottesville during this year.  Republicans and Democrats have repeatedly repudiated violence.  How long must this back and forth criticizm continue?
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Who can answer this question?  Why is the leader of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally on CNN's payroll?
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Leftists have engaged in violence during multiple protests.  Rightists have murdered four Americans in Portland, Manhattan, and Charlottesville during this year.  Republicans and Democrats have repeatedly repudiated violence.  How long must this back and forth criticizm continue?

Can you show any links to current dem leadership denouncing the violence of BLM and Antifa? How about the liberal media which is an arm of the DNC, or maybe, in reality, it's the other way around.
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Who do you think the leader is?
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