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Nextyear

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'I was at the games this weekend. Talked to a lot of people. White is out if they don't make the championship series next year. The excuses are over. They have done everything for that program up there. If you were at the game he came out to the mound after OU had the big inning to take the lead. He was chewing serious azz which you almost never see him do. They have to get it done and he knows it. Also Hanson is done after this year if she doesn't win more PAC games. Same with Dodd at UNLV. Candrea wont retire. He has no life outside of softball and everyone knows it. No one his staff is a coaching candidate. Also was told that if Gas retires in the next 3-4 years OU wants Walton to come home and will pay him ridiculous money to make the move west. '

Walton is not qualified to take over for a woman coach.  He never played the game.  [smile]
 
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I seriously just stepped into the Clockwork Orange twilight zone, heysue christo.  F**king unregistered responding to unregistered wtf!
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Hey that's just what I heard, take it or leave it. Also don't be surprised if Gas is now the Olympic coach in 2020. In fact if she isn't the only explanation would be is she doesn't want it. But the retirement stuff someone else also has posted is absolutely true. Heard it was 3-4 years also but now seems more like 2 if she does coach team USA. That's not from me, that was from multiple people in the know that are a lot more connected then me and anyone else on here. Its Walton's job if he wants it when that time comes.  
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Hey that's just what I heard, take it or leave it. Also don't be surprised if Gas is now the Olympic coach in 2020. In fact if she isn't the only explanation would be is she doesn't want it. But the retirement stuff someone else also has posted is absolutely true. Heard it was 3-4 years also but now seems more like 2 if she does coach team USA. That's not from me, that was from multiple people in the know that are a lot more connected then me and anyone else on here. Its Walton's job if he wants it when that time comes.  



Dude...POST UNDER YOUR HANDLE and stop with the sissy unregistered bs.  Grown men scared of a handle lmfao.  You are not that important in life grow some nads.
3leftturns

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Wow. Stoops retires??? Maybe Gasso is a short-timer...lol

He tweeted congrats to the softball team, and was gone
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It's Walton's job if he wants it when that time comes.  


Don't bet the farm on that.

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Hey that's just what I heard, take it or leave it. Also don't be surprised if Gas is now the Olympic coach in 2020. In fact if she isn't the only explanation would be is she doesn't want it. But the retirement stuff someone else also has posted is absolutely true. Heard it was 3-4 years also but now seems more like 2 if she does coach team USA. That's not from me, that was from multiple people in the know that are a lot more connected then me and anyone else on here. Its Walton's job if he wants it when that time comes.  


Are these people in the know guessing or had PG been talking to people about it? Would seem rather dumb for PG or anyone in her family to even discuss retirement to people in or around the program. Seems like a recruiting liability. Just ask Ralph, no one knows and we are all just waiting (none of that people in the know stuff).
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Are these people in the know guessing or had PG been talking to people about it? Would seem rather dumb for PG or anyone in her family to even discuss retirement to people in or around the program. Seems like a recruiting liability. Just ask Ralph, no one knows and we are all just waiting (none of that people in the know stuff).


I remember in 2012 two guys I knew whose DDs played at Oklahoma swore that PG was going to retire when Ricketts graduated.

They were credible, but just plain wrong! As long as she keeps winning, she will keep coaching.
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Doesn't take much to realize it's Langenfeld.


You right about that.  Going to be hard to get a solid pitching coach in there when the Head will, most likely, be canned next year or the year after unless there is a MAJOR shift.  Kinda sad the fall of that program.
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'I was at the games this weekend. Talked to a lot of people. White is out if they don't make the championship series next year. The excuses are over. They have done everything for that program up there. If you were at the game he came out to the mound after OU had the big inning to take the lead. He was chewing serious azz which you almost never see him do. They have to get it done and he knows it. Also Hanson is done after this year if she doesn't win more PAC games. Same with Dodd at UNLV. Candrea wont retire. He has no life outside of softball and everyone knows it. No one his staff is a coaching candidate. Also was told that if Gas retires in the next 3-4 years OU wants Walton to come home and will pay him ridiculous money to make the move west. '

Walton is not qualified to take over for a woman coach.  He never played the game.  [smile]
 


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'I was at the games this weekend. Talked to a lot of people. White is out if they don't make the championship series next year. The excuses are over. They have done everything for that program up there. If you were at the game he came out to the mound after OU had the big inning to take the lead. He was chewing serious azz which you almost never see him do.
 

Whew... that is some dumb stuff.

There is no better recruiter in the country than White. He has ZERO partial in-state scholys to give out where KIP can get most of her kids instate, and Walton's seven -- a few total stud players -- can get full boat covered with Bright Futures, Fla Prepaid, Pell Grants and such with not nearly as much in athletic scholly.

White? He has to sell partials for OUT-OF-STATE rate (44K a year) to EV-RY-ONE. You got 70 percent?? Wow, an awesome athletic scholy number!! ... sorry, you are still on the hook for $13.2K a year, unless your academics can grab a little.

Guy is amazing squeezing his blood from the stones.

Everyone up there always breathes a sigh of relief when Connie Clark gets renewed. God knows what he could do with those in-state recruits to compact the scholarships for 10 quality kids at about 4.0-5.0 athletic and then pound out of state with a helluva lot more purchasing power.

And.... the way he was in his circle visits? Same as it has ever been. "Never see him do"??? Holy crap LOFL

Jess Moore... Karissa Hovinga... Cheridan Hawkins...Megan Kleist...Maggie Balint....Miranda Elish.... in only 8 seasons. There are a lot of pitchers who have flamed out who could have still been studs if they had gone to Eugene instead of making the easy move.

BTW, the first three pitchers named above are all pitching coaches in D1

24-0 in regional games in 8 seasons.... Four WCWS trips and 5 wins in OKC... in the aggregate since 2010, who has a better WCWS aggregate since White started in the 2010 season? Gasso, Walton, Murphy, Myers.... who else?

Yeah, Mullens is just ITCHING to make a change

Just a puke of a post

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You right about that.  Going to be hard to get a solid pitching coach in there when the Head will, most likely, be canned next year or the year after unless there is a MAJOR shift.  Kinda sad the fall of that program.


Sad indeed. There is also really no way anyone will be able to make a major shift. They continue to suffer from a dearth of talent in the circle. Even though they have a pitcher coming in this year and next year (which will give them 5 both years if everyone stays), none of them would get significant time on another pac-12 school. The staff this year had the worst ERA in the pac by nearly 2.5 runs. They also were 2nd from the bottom in nearly every offensive category as well without any significant help coming in. Apparently, they have a transfer rule where anyone who wants to transfer, needs to have their release by March which doesn't match the softball cycle very well. That, combined with the stringent entrance standards, make transfers very unlikely. 

You'd have to guess a major shift would be 5-6 wins in the pac and a regional bid. I just don't see it with the current roster compared to the other talent in the pac. Whomever takes that pitching coach job better keep their resume up to date.


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That school was originally known as "The Horse Farm".

So makes sense it produced a Softball team that is complete horse manure. "Pee Yew!"
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Sad indeed. There is also really no way anyone will be able to make a major shift. They continue to suffer from a dearth of talent in the circle. Even though they have a pitcher coming in this year and next year (which will give them 5 both years if everyone stays), none of them would get significant time on another pac-12 school. The staff this year had the worst ERA in the pac by nearly 2.5 runs. They also were 2nd from the bottom in nearly every offensive category as well without any significant help coming in. Apparently, they have a transfer rule where anyone who wants to transfer, needs to have their release by March which doesn't match the softball cycle very well. That, combined with the stringent entrance standards, make transfers very unlikely. 

You'd have to guess a major shift would be 5-6 wins in the pac and a regional bid. I just don't see it with the current roster compared to the other talent in the pac. Whomever takes that pitching coach job better keep their resume up to date.




Exactly my thoughts.  I guess a young pitching coach, desperate for a job at an awesome "school" or one with an ego thinking they can save the world in the circle might go.  Guarantee one of those incoming pitchers will transfer after year one. Any pitching coach with 1/2  a brain and that wants a long term career will stir clear of that job.  I suppose you could look at it as "IF" you went and made a significant change in the circle you could write your ticket but too
much other bull%&#@ going on there to take that chance. In my opinion. 



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I think it's because they aren't getting much talent in. look at it this way:
Madi Schryer was at Stanford
Carley Hoover Went to stanford
Kelly Barnhill almost went to stanford,

Just look at the pitching staff they would've had but I think it is because stanford isn't known for softball really. It was at one point quite strong but the level of talent they are getting in just can't keep up with the rest of the strong PAC-12 Conference

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I think it's because they aren't getting much talent in. look at it this way:
Madi Schryer was at Stanford
Carley Hoover Went to stanford
Kelly Barnhill almost went to stanford,

Just look at the pitching staff they would've had but I think it is because stanford isn't known for softball really. It was at one point quite strong but the level of talent they are getting in just can't keep up with the rest of the strong PAC-12 Conference


Who's fault is that? Rittman seemed to be able to get high level recruits like the ones you mentioned (and also Kayla Bonstrom, kelsey Stevens and others). Hanson seems to be recruiting the kids she'd recruit at Dartmouth and if you look you'll see that many of her recruits were only recruited by ivy league schools and stanford. That's not the way to win in the pac. It's difficult to transfer there as well because basically everyone needs to sit out. Tough spot for Hanson, any pitching coach coming in and the players themselves, if they want to win.
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I think it's because they aren't getting much talent in. look at it this way:
Madi Schryer was at Stanford
Carley Hoover Went to stanford
Kelly Barnhill almost went to stanford,

Just look at the pitching staff they would've had but I think it is because stanford isn't known for softball really. It was at one point quite strong but the level of talent they are getting in just can't keep up with the rest of the strong PAC-12 Conference


If you can't sell to a reasonably smart student and her parents the long-term value of a Stanford degree, then maybe the recruiting needs an overhaul.
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Looper has fired her entire staff for the second time in 4 years. Someone tell the athletic department maybe its number 1 that is the problem.
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If you can't sell to a reasonably smart student and her parents the long-term value of a Stanford degree, then maybe the recruiting needs an overhaul.


Considering the top players are generally committed before they get out of junior high (I exaggerate only a little), it's probably a six-year process to begin to see what kind of impact a coach's recruits have on a program. Probably been forced to sign leftovers so far.
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Looper has fired her entire staff for the second time in 4 years. Someone tell the athletic department maybe its number 1 that is the problem.


What?!? Is this the Looper at Iowa?
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Considering the top players are generally committed before they get out of junior high (I exaggerate only a little), it's probably a six-year process to begin to see what kind of impact a coach's recruits have on a program. Probably been forced to sign leftovers so far.


Verbal only until senior year. Players (and schools), including top-level players, go back on these all the time. If I were Hanson, I'd be talking to every one of the smart, high-level recruits' travel ball coaches about how awesome Stanford is and how it's the best academic/sports university in the country. I'm not convinced she gets the root of her problem there at Stanford, however. I think she thinks she can win with her Dartmouth-level talent.
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What?!? Is this the Looper at Iowa?


If it is, she won't leave until her contract is up.  I believe that she has one more year. 
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Verbal only until senior year. Players (and schools), including top-level players, go back on these all the time. If I were Hanson, I'd be talking to every one of the smart, high-level recruits' travel ball coaches about how awesome Stanford is and how it's the best academic/sports university in the country. I'm not convinced she gets the root of her problem there at Stanford, however. I think she thinks she can win with her Dartmouth-level talent.
SB players take verbals fairly seriously and if you don't think she's preaching the academic merits of Stanford to everyone you are an idiot. If you really think she believes she can win with Dartmouth level talent you are an idiot. Two choices, you are an idiot or just talking mad and venting?
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SB players take verbals fairly seriously and if you don't think she's preaching the academic merits of Stanford to everyone you are an idiot. If you really think she believes she can win with Dartmouth level talent you are an idiot. Two choices, you are an idiot or just talking mad and venting?


Unregistered? What a surprise, troll.

Have you talked to Hanson about this? Because I know people who have, and the concensus is that she's in way over her head.

As for verbals being serious they are until you find a better offer. Just ask Maggie Balint, Taylon Snow or any of the myriad other players who have reneged on verbals.
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Balint and Snow are two major differences.

Balint, like Ocasio and King, are pitchers who were late bloomers initially committed to tiny-stage softball schools

Snow was committed to a WCWS-caliber university already... different deal IMO
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I think it's because they aren't getting much talent in. look at it this way:
Madi Schryer was at Stanford
Carley Hoover Went to stanford
Kelly Barnhill almost went to stanford,

Just look at the pitching staff they would've had but I think it is because stanford isn't known for softball really. It was at one point quite strong but the level of talent they are getting in just can't keep up with the rest of the strong PAC-12 Conference


I recall hearing from a private pitching instructor that Hoover got hurt while at Stanford from their strength training program which is why (or was at least a contributing reason why) she transferred to LSU.     

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There are many, many more softball players who have been come at hard by other schools after commitment, and kept their commitment.

I am happy when a girl has the constitution to realize that if a switch is best for her (money-wise, stage-size-wise, etc), she needs to make a switch.

But, I think a commitment means more to softball players
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There are many, many more softball players who have been come at hard by other schools after commitment, and kept their commitment.

I am happy when a girl has the constitution to realize that if a switch is best for her (money-wise, stage-size-wise, etc), she needs to make a switch.

But, I think a commitment means more to softball players


Of course many more honor their verbal commitments than not. However, I can think of at least 5 in the last couple of years, associated with UW alone, where they've either lost or gained a verbally comitted player. It happens with other schools as well. That's one of the reasons flosoftball has master verbal change lists. The point is Hanson should be in emergency mode, rooting these people out, and from what I've heard she really isn't.
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Of course many more honor their verbal commitments than not. However, I can think of at least 5 in the last couple of years, associated with UW alone, where they've either lost or gained a verbally comitted player. It happens with other schools as well. That's one of the reasons flosoftball has master verbal change lists. The point is Hanson should be in emergency mode, rooting these people out, and from what I've heard she really isn't.
100 percent agree there... Card needs to show a pulse this year.

Yes, recruits are huge, but coaching is equally large. And there have been three seasons for that to show up

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Hanson had at least 2 top 100 Flosoftball players on her squad, yet they did not improve, nor did the team improve at all.  I wrote to the athletic director a couple years back and told him he was nuts to hire a coach from a non athletic scholarship school to Stanford...the Capital One Cup perennial winner.
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