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Fresh

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It was apparently important to trump, so I don't want him getting credit for 1 person that didn't watch. 
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I guess none of you who opposed DACA care about trump's proposal to provide CITIZENSHIP to 2 million illegals - 2 or 3 times the number of DACA kids.

UWA wasn't here when we were talking about this stuff, so I don't know how he felt about this prior to trump becoming a fan.

I would like to see them go. 

More importantly I really think bringing in more now is super unfair.  A total and complete burden on the hard working American taxpayer, and a total drain on the American poor.

There is a political reality here.  Jack booted thugs kicking in dreamers doors and hauling them off is going to go over like a thud. 

To me it comes down to details.

Some of these dreamers have great computer science degrees, doctors degrees, and other highly advanced degrees.  Some have started highly successful businesses that employ people.  Would be a shame to have a knee jerk reaction and deport successful smart people.

Some of these dreamers are criminals.  Deport them yesterday.

Some of the dreamers are low level losers that sound like freshy.  Just living off the state, never work, just lay about the cabin.  Deport them.

The inbetween one are going to be a bit more difficult.

Anyway, Dreamers no longer matter.  It has all already played out.  That was all a BS bluff by the Dems.  Turns out they only care about all 30 million (or whatever the number is).  We knew it the whole time.  They are not going to implement any reasonable immigration security and keep their sanctuary city and sanctuary state nonsense going. 

We are headed, head long for a shutdown as we speak.  Shumer is going to prostate himself in front of Trump.  Trump is going to mount him and light him up. 
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Originally Posted by Fresh
It was apparently important to trump, so I don't want him getting credit for 1 person that didn't watch. 


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Will_I_Wynn

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"I would like to see them go."


Trying to understand the Right's view on immigration, I read the followup to this sentence as wishing all the DACA kids would be deported but, doing so, would be bad for the GOP.  The first conclusion apparently was "let's not do it because of the political consequences".  Later, it appeared this changed to a desire to allow some of the talented dreamers to stay and to deport the rest.  That appears to be a different position from favoring all must go.  Which is the true position if politics weren't an issue?

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Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


uwApoligist

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Politics is the issue.  I think you over medicate some evenings.
ForeverInBlue

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Don’t worry, after years of reading your posts, it’s clear you will never understand.
CoachB25

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
It was apparently important to trump, so I don't want him getting credit for 1 person that didn't watch. 


Wouldn't it really mean that you don't want him to get credit for several people who did?  How many people in this country watched his speech by streaming?  5, 10, 5,000, 10,000 50,000, 100,000 ...  How many people stream in this country?  

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"I would like to see them go."


Trying to understand the Right's view on immigration, I read the followup to this sentence as wishing all the DACA kids would be deported but, doing so, would be bad for the GOP.  The first conclusion apparently was "let's not do it because of the political consequences".  Later, it appeared this changed to a desire to allow some of the talented dreamers to stay and to deport the rest.  That appears to be a different position from favoring all must go.  Which is the true position if politics weren't an issue?


The true position is about ILLEGAL immigration. First we kick out all the ILLEGAL aliens, then we do merit based LEGAL immigration.

Do you see any difference between legal, and illegal immigration, or are they just pawns you use for a political reason?

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CoachB25

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WIW, again you make a post about Republicans/Conservatives out of context.  You bet many are not in favor of the DACA as it has stood for years.  Constantly these illegals somehow get into our country and get to stay on our tax payer dime.  I resent that myself.  However, and I think this is representative of most of the Republicans/Conservatives I know, there has been a consistent demand that there be a method of preventing the continuation of these practices UNTIL there was a system in place to stop it in the future.  That is what is being offered now.  I might add that the Democrats have been pushing for 660,000 to receive this pathway to citizenship and Trump has been very kind in his offer.  It is apparent that the Democrats don't really care about the DACA immigrants and only want them as a playing chip.  The reason I say this is because Democrats, in the past have taken Trump's exact position before.  
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I really think the next CR is going to show if Democrats place illegals over citizens, and if Trump has the sack to tell them to stuff it when they turn down the other immigration measures he required in order to grant the DACA horde legal status. Let Schumer do it again, then hammer the Dems relentlessly all during the campaign this summer and fall.
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keepinitreal

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Don’t worry, after years of reading your posts, it’s clear you will never understand.


I have a feeling if you search dewy or will or huey and the word understand, the results would be pages and pages long

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Even Geraldo excoriated the Dems for the conduct at the SOTU. Very childish and immature says he. Geraldo is the most independent political thinker that I could name
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
TerpAlum

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Face it, Coach. Your morally vacant president is not popular, nor is he a role model for the students you claim to teach.

I work in office of young people and the last thing they are streaming is politics, and certainly not in the evening, and certainly not drumpf.

Dream on.

PS. There was on line video technology in 2009. We did not live in huts.
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My kid and his friends always stream politics. Primary screen 75" 4k call of duty, secondary screen ipad mini with SOTU.  You ask him at the end what was said and he can have an intelligent discussion.  
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Originally Posted by keepinitreal
Even Geraldo excoriated the Dems for the conduct at the SOTU. Very childish and immature says he. Geraldo is the most independent political thinker that I could name


I agree that they acted like nitwits.  They can never help their own cause, because, well, their Dems.  They just keep stepping on themselves.

In the big picture, that is a good thing.  We do not need those clowns running the country again.
uwApoligist

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No worries about those clowns running anything for a long time, it seems.
keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
 Which is the true position if politics weren't an issue?


That is one of the more dense statements ever written here UWa.  Hard to believe he didn't edit that stupidity away

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
Will_I_Wynn

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"It is apparent that the Democrats don't really care about the DACA immigrants and only want them as a playing chip."

This is inaccurate and it helps explain why I asked what the stance of the Right would be if politics weren't an issue.  Suppose the Senate had 70 votes to secure the border, as it sees fit, as well as support of the House.  Would the Right support the legalization of the DACA kids if this were the case (meaning if politics was not an issue)?  If the answer is no, the Right is the one using them as a bargaining chip, not the Democrats.  If the answer is yes, then apparently they're still holding out today and using them as a bargaining chip. 

So I ask again, would the Right support legalization of DACA if they had filibuster proof votes in Congress to pass all the border security they wanted?


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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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This is a SOTU thread, uwA answered that politics ARE an issue.  Your what-ifs and buts are pretty much worthless as I see it as another rabbit hole.  Plenty DACA questions have been answered here since the government shutdown.  If you can't understand the view of conservatives by now, it's because you don't understand as you have admitted and never will.  Your pondering and pontificating does nothing for anyone but you and your howdy-dowdy running buddy freshyturd
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Dewey - we all are very familiar with your Amtrak tactics.  Please post in the correct thread.
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Will_I_Wynn

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"This is a SOTU thread."

Three different Conservatives, #151, 153, and 157, moved this thread to a DACA discussion.  That said, if you don't want to answer the question, don't.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just keep on offending people and then looking dumbfounded when they sometimes lash out.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"This is a SOTU thread."

Three different Conservatives, #151, 153, and 157, moved this thread to a DACA discussion.  That said, if you don't want to answer the question, don't.



Another classic dewey tactic, soon he will answer for you with "I believe"....

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keepinitreal

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Quote:
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"This is a SOTU thread."

Three different Conservatives, #151, 153, and 157, moved this thread to a DACA discussion.  That said, if you don't want to answer the question, don't.


What are you, monkey see, monkey do? 

Take it to your safe haven 'open minded' catch all thread.  Or your dewy's views, or your questions with a purpose, or your tough questions, or your open and honest debate, or your where do you stand, or your why I can't answer, or your if you're on the fence or your 57 other rabbit holes.  I couldn't care less what other conservatives do, they aren't here to dewtour, deflect, hijack and ask 1,000 questions, you are

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
uwApoligist

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Dewey must live in a constant state of confused.
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I agree that they acted like nitwits.  They can never help their own cause, because, well, their Dems.  They just keep stepping on themselves.

In the big picture, that is a good thing.  We do not need those clowns running the country again.


yup, he was in a corner and didn't like the direction of the conversation

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Terp I thought you were just a man-hater, but you are racist too? Explains a lot.
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A neurotic like Terp watched the SOTU, don't let her lie to you Early
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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How many libs does it take to change a light bulb? Mega numbers, because each is a do-gooder and will crowd out the other from grabbing for the bulb.
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