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With as much success as the league is having in softball, Vanderbilt is not looking to join its SEC brethren anytime in the near future due mainly to the difficultly in building a facility on campus in Nashville.

"Every year or every two years we go back and look at what we have and what we would like to have," Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams said. "I think that if we ever get to the position where we want to expand softball and volleyball would be the first two. Right now, it's not on our radar. We've done all the due diligence.

"I would say that if you look at those two, volleyball would be ahead of softball only because of the facility. We have a place we can play volleyball. We'd have to build (a softball stadium) and we really don't own any more land."

"I think 13's worked well for the league since the last two years all 13 have played in the postseason and this year Vandy won the women's bowling national championship," SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said. "It may support the wisdom of some flexibility around sports offerings."

More:  https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/06/softball_not_on_the_radar_for.html

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With as much success as the league is having in softball, Vanderbilt is not looking to join its SEC brethren anytime in the near future due mainly to the difficultly in building a facility on campus in Nashville.

"Every year or every two years we go back and look at what we have and what we would like to have," Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams said. "I think that if we ever get to the position where we want to expand softball and volleyball would be the first two. Right now, it's not on our radar. We've done all the due diligence.

"I would say that if you look at those two, volleyball would be ahead of softball only because of the facility. We have a place we can play volleyball. We'd have to build (a softball stadium) and we really don't own any more land."

"I think 13's worked well for the league since the last two years all 13 have played in the postseason and this year Vandy won the women's bowling national championship," SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said. "It may support the wisdom of some flexibility around sports offerings."

More:  https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/06/softball_not_on_the_radar_for.html




Bowling. Lol.
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Bowling. Lol.


Don't laugh jannie, Collegiate Bowling runs a tight second to Collegiate Bass Fishing.
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Don't laugh jannie, Collegiate Bowling runs a tight second to Collegiate Bass Fishing.


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Havasu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Williams said most of the parking lots and garages near the school's other sports facilities are controlled by the medical center, making both purchasing and construction a challenge as parking spots would be lost in the process."

1. People coming for baseball games seem to find somewhere to park.
2. There is a significant amount of parking on the west side of campus that isn't remotely close to the medical center.

Seems like a convenient excuse coming from a school with an endowment of 4.1 billion.  Just say "we prefer to have bowling and lacrosse" and be done with it.

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"Williams said most of the parking lots and garages near the school's other sports facilities are controlled by the medical center, 
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you know, that kind of reminds me of UCLA.  The campus is really a tale of two cities, and I'm not referring to North Campus and South Campus.   It's the Campus, and the Medical Center... and the Medical Center keeps expanding.   Medical centers have a way of doing that.

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you know, that kind of reminds me of UCLA.  The campus is really a tale of two cities, and I'm not referring to North Campus and South Campus.   It's the Campus, and the Medical Center... and the Medical Center keeps expanding.   Medical centers have a way of doing that.


Medical Centers can expand upward. I don't think you can build anything on top of a softball field.
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Medical Centers can expand upward. I don't think you can build anything on top of a softball field.


Ahhh, but you can build a softball field on top of a helicopter landing pad. Thus the reason that the UCLA softball field has no room to expand unless they scrap it and start over elsewhere.
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"Williams said most of the parking lots and garages near the school's other sports facilities are controlled by the medical center, making both purchasing and construction a challenge as parking spots would be lost in the process."

1. People coming for baseball games seem to find somewhere to park.
2. There is a significant amount of parking on the west side of campus that isn't remotely close to the medical center.

Seems like a convenient excuse coming from a school with an endowment of 4.1 billion.  Just say "we prefer to have bowling and lacrosse" and be done with it.

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While a softball field on campus would be ideal, I know UGA and some other schools have off campus facilities.
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Ahhh, but you can build a softball field on top of a helicopter landing pad. Thus the reason that the UCLA softball field has no room to expand unless they scrap it and start over elsewhere.


I feel like Az has the same issue.
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Ahhh, but you can build a softball field on top of a helicopter landing pad. Thus the reason that the UCLA softball field has no room to expand unless they scrap it and start over elsewhere.


Lol, how would the helicopters land now!!! 😃
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No, kids. I’m serious. Easton stadium is built on what was formerly a helicopter landing pad. That’s why there are slopes all around it and no room to make it bigger.
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Vandy look at Duke and see what they have done in one year.  In softball, with a school with Vandy's educational value you can attract many top athletes and high grade players.  With so many players in GA, FL and the South, you would be a natural magnet for your school.
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Vandy look at Duke and see what they have done in one year.  In softball, with a school with Vandy's educational value you can attract many top athletes and high grade players.  With so many players in GA, FL and the South, you would be a natural magnet for your school.


Yes. I expect Duke to become a pretty top notch program in the coming years. A M A Z I N G Recruiting classes by Young.
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I clearly see Vandy's point in not wanting to take even the tiniest bit of focus from the bowling program, though. 
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Yes. I expect Duke to become a pretty top notch program in the coming years. A M A Z I N G Recruiting classes by Young.
Are they really amazing compared with everyone else's. Are the entrance standards being relaxed at the behest of the softball coach?

Or, are they merely amazing when grading on the curve of such austere admissions filtration?


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Are they really amazing compared with everyone else's. Are the entrance standards being relaxed at the behest of the softball coach?

Or, are they merely amazing when grading on the curve of such austere admissions filtration?




I'd go with the 2nd line. 

"Amazing" may be a bit much though. Fortunate would be more appropriate. 


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Are they really amazing compared with everyone else's. Are the entrance standards being relaxed at the behest of the softball coach?

Or, are they merely amazing when grading on the curve of such austere admissions filtration?


Duke had an amazing first season, but I think Clemson will have a better chance at giving FSU a run for their money.  Clemson's AD has deep pockets from football, reasonable tuition expenses for players paying something out of pocket, and SEC level admission requirements...

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It's never true. Here in DC, Georgetown plays on an existing DC field miles from the campus, because the college and its students, ie softball players, wanted to have a team.

However, this is smart lawyering on Vanderbilt's part. You can withstand a Title IX charge on the basis on not having a facility. If they are behind on more than one women's sport in this day and age what does that say?
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It's never true. Here in DC, Georgetown plays on an existing DC field miles from the campus, because the college and its students, ie softball players, wanted to have a team.

However, this is smart lawyering on Vanderbilt's part. You can withstand a Title IX charge on the basis on not having a facility. If they are behind on more than one women's sport in this day and age what does that say?


It is my understanding that Title IX forces schools offer an equal number of men's and women's athletic scholarships and to support the facilities equally.  It does not dictate which sports a school offers.  Clemson is disbanding their women's diving team when softball starts play in 2020, so it is essentially a "wash" on the number of women's scholarships.
  
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It is my understanding that Title IX forces schools offer an equal number of men's and women's athletic scholarships and to support the facilities equally.  It does not dictate which sports a school offers.  Clemson is disbanding their women's diving team when softball starts play in 2020, so it is essentially a "wash" on the number of women's scholarships.
  


I don't trading diving for softball would be a wash. A typical diving squad is tiny--three or four, maybe. 

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I don't trading diving for softball would be a wash. A typical diving squad is tiny--three or four, maybe. 


Softball has 12 scholarships while swim & dive has 14 per NCAA regulations.  I have no idea how many divers Clemson has on scholarship, but if they were using it for compliance with Title IX regulations, they could have up to 14.  BTW - Clemson disbanded their swim teams several years ago and kept women's diving for Title IX compliance.

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.html
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It is my understanding that Title IX forces schools offer an equal number of men's and women's athletic scholarships and to support the facilities equally.  It does not dictate which sports a school offers.  Clemson is disbanding their women's diving team when softball starts play in 2020, so it is essentially a "wash" on the number of women's scholarships.
  


I am not speaking to every detail (particularly how overpaid ADs interpret it), mr. so-called (not a) lawyer. I am speaking to one specific provision about the availability of facilities in the law. The top level provision is that if a sport is offered for one sex and missing for the other, that could be the quick road to a violation, as long as there is a conference with competition in the sport available, student interest in the sport, and the availability or feasibility of facilities.

Why not go and read it.
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It is my understanding that Title IX forces schools offer an equal number of men's and women's athletic scholarships and to support the facilities equally.  It does not dictate which sports a school offers.  Clemson is disbanding their women's diving team when softball starts play in 2020, so it is essentially a "wash" on the number of women's scholarships.
  


I don't think the number of men's and women's scholarships has to be equal . It depends on the male to female student enrollment figures . A school with a high female enrollment might have to have more females on athletic scholarship . Don't know what Vanderbilt's enrollment numbers are now , but at one time I think they had a higher proportion of males enrolled , therefore they had more males on athletic scholarship .   
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