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If the people in AZ think McCain needs to go, he'll go.

If Mich people want doofus, they'll hire doofus.  They've hired plenty before.

For "conservatives" to get geeked up over a guy that pushes immoral foul trash on  kids because he wore a trump shirt tells you there are few conservatives left.
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I mentioned religion because you claim to be a righteous christian, yet you make jokes about guys blowing themselves. That confuses me.


That's because you're an idiot atheist liberal.

FYI - it was your new NY Liberal loud mouth hero that said what his colleague could do.  Haven't noticed you saying that was inappropriate.

Don't worry - I've seen it plenty.  Liberals have nothing substantive to say, so they break out the Christian shtick.  It's especially rich coming from atheists.

I hear Kanye may run for POTUS - you can support him next.
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Sanctimonious mike has spoken.  

We have true conservatives here in the NW.  They lose every election, and sit around and worry about their moral erosion.  It come off to me like Nero fiddling.   They are sanctimonious like you.  And boring.

Rock speaks his mind.  I know you are not getting it.  Don't care.  Thankfully no one else does either.

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If the people in AZ think McCain needs to go, he'll go.


They keep McCain, I guess we get to to keeps odummercare.  Oh Whelps.  At least we have our moral high grounds to stand on.

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They keep McCain, I guess we get to to keeps odummercare.  Oh Whelps.  At least we have our moral high grounds to stand on.


so what is your proposed solution?  have trump impeach him?

someone here lectured me about voters in each state getting to decide, not me.  well, that is true.
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Sanctimonious mike has spoken.  

We have true conservatives here in the NW.  They lose every election, and sit around and worry about their moral erosion.  It come off to me like Nero fiddling.   They are sanctimonious like you.  And boring.

Rock speaks his mind.  I know you are not getting it.  Don't care.  Thankfully no one else does either.


balls in your mouth.
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someone here lectured me about voters in each state getting to decide, not me.  well, that is true.


only you get to lecture?

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balls in your mouth.

See now we can never trust you.  

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only you get to lecture?

yes.  You must declare yourself sanctimonious to lecture.

Long hair rednecks (KIR), rough talking marines (eg), pig shooting texans (woody)  need not apply.  You guys just cannot achieve adequate levels of sanctimony.   Clean up your language, quit the alcohol, and start being judgmental amongst your family and neighbors for a couple of years.  After that you can come back and apply for some moral high ground. 

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so what is your proposed solution?  have trump impeach him?

someone here lectured me about voters in each state getting to decide, not me.  well, that is true.

The path forward is already becoming clear.  McCain is eroding any credibility the Senate had.  A few more rounds of letting them fail should fully do them in.  Then a good communications plan, use social media to bust through the MSM stupidity, and take the fight to the American people.  

Whether congress thinks it or not, they will listen to their constituents. 

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only you get to lecture?



puhlease.

just saying voters decide - that is all.
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I believe what I believe.  No political candidate will change that for me.  Especially not one with no essential core belief system of his own.


You want your moral code to be flexible to accommodate the candidate of the date, that is up to you.

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yes.  You must declare yourself sanctimonious to lecture.

Long hair rednecks (KIR), rough talking marines (eg), pig shooting texans (woody)  need not apply.  You guys just cannot achieve adequate levels of sanctimony.   Clean up your language, quit the alcohol, and start being judgmental amongst your family and neighbors for a couple of years.  After that you can come back and apply for some moral high ground. 
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I believe what I believe.  No political candidate will change that for me.  Especially not one with no essential core belief system of his own.


You want your moral code to be flexible to accommodate the candidate of the date, that is up to you.


You prefer who you prefer. 

Me, I like the KIRs, EG and woody's of the world.   They are a lot more fun that sanctimonious pricks who lecture on language then throw out the "balls in your mouth."

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UWA - for the record, I never said the quote in your tagline
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The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
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UWA - for the record, I never said the quote in your tagline

That was not intentional.  I changed it.  

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You prefer who you prefer. 

Me, I like the KIRs, EG and woody's of the world.   They are a lot more fun that sanctimonious pricks who lecture on language then throw out the "balls in your mouth."




I quoted a song name for you, in the hope that you might look it up, and decide if someone who sells such garbage to kids should really be in the Senate, just because he wore a trump shirt.

I like the KIRs and Woody's of the world myself. 
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I like the KIRs and Woody's of the world myself. 



I know who I would want to have my back in a foxhole.

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We have true conservatives here in the NW.  They lose every election, and sit around and worry about their moral erosion.

You can't have it both ways - advocate viable candidates and then complain about them being "Rinos" after they win. 

Regarding McCain, he was just re-elected in 2016 and it's extremely doubtful he'll be able to serve the entire term. His primary opponent, Kelli Ward, was lambasted 9 days ago when she lobbied for him to resign and be named as his replacement.
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You can't have it both ways - advocate viable candidates and then complain about them being "Rinos" after they win. 

Regarding McCain, he was just re-elected in 2016 and it's extremely doubtful he'll be able to serve the entire term. His primary opponent, Kelli Ward, was lambasted 9 days ago when she lobbied for him to resign and be named as his replacement.

My version of a Rino would be very different from mikec's.  

I care about small government, reducing taxes, getting government back focused on the very few things government is supposed to do.   I am willing to forgo super hard lines on abortion/life, gay/straight, on social issues.   If someone is fighting for small government, and happens to be social conservative as well, I will be fine with that.

Mike tends to be the other direction.  He draws hard lines on social issues, and might not draw as hard a line on taxes and small government. 

In my particular case.  It does not matter.  I get 2 choices.  Big government wildly ultra liberal (trans, lgbtqylmnop, green) Democrat.  Or a repbulican that is super pro life but may not understand why you would want small government, lower taxes.  I always vote republican, even though they have never gotten more than 18% of the vote, so pretty much a waste.  

Should be interesting this year.  We actually have a republican state senatorial candidate that is very much small government and not said much of anything about gays or prolife.   So it will be interesting to see if they can get elected. 

There are some rino's that are neither small government nor conservative on social issues.  Boehner, McConnnell fall into that camp.  

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My actual view of conservativism is people who believe in the limited fed, powers reserved to the states, that the Constitution outlined.

Many of the issues you talk about that you don't care about are not "rights" outlined in the Constitution - they are state's issues, made national by SJWs.

BTW - I was lecturing about the fitness of a candidate, not vulgarity.  Your new quote for me is a lie. 


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My version of a Rino would be very different from mikec's.   probably

I care about small government, reducing taxes, getting government back focused on the very few things government is supposed to do.   with you to here  I am willing to forgo super hard lines on abortion/life, gay/straight, on social issues.   because you are a a coastie.  These things are issues in many parts of the country, including mine.  f someone is fighting for small government, and happens to be social conservative as well, I will be fine with that. why not have both?

Mike tends to be the other direction.  He draws hard lines on social issues, and might not draw as hard a line on taxes and small government.  wrong, wrong, and more wrong.

In my particular case.  It does not matter.  I get 2 choices.  Big government wildly ultra liberal (trans, lgbtqylmnop, green) Democrat.  Or a repbulican that is super pro life but may not understand why you would want small government, lower taxes.  I always vote republican, even though they have never gotten more than 18% of the vote, so pretty much a waste.  

Should be interesting this year.  We actually have a republican state senatorial candidate that is very much small government and not said much of anything about gays or prolife.   So it will be interesting to see if they can get elected. 

There are some rino's that are neither small government nor conservative on social issues.  Boehner, McConnnell fall into that camp. agree - power above country 
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My actual view of conservatism is people who believe in the limited fed, powers reserved to the states, that the Constitution outlined.

Many of the issues you talk about that you don't care about are not "rights" outlined in the Constitution - they are state's issues, made national by SJWs.

BTW - I was lecturing about the fitness of a candidate, not vulgarity.  Your new quote for me is a lie. 




Secure our borders, provide for the national defense, levy import taxes, and build interstate highways. Other than that, states rights, and piss off. It's a concept I have had since I was in a very good civics class in 8th grade. I never looked back after having been fully immersed, and baptized in the constitution by an excellent teacher. It was either constitutional, or it wasn't in her class. She would take no mushy middle. She was fearless, and on a mission from God to spread the cause of freedom, and liberty. God Bless her, she lit a fire inside of me. Nowadays, kids don't have any concept of what the Constitution even is. They are ignorant, and or stupid, and they are breeding.

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I have a theory, that maybe is wrong, but I would like to run by you.

My theory is that, in the South and Midwest, we "rose up" out of more agrarian beginnings.  As such, we are mentally, if not physically, tied to the land.

The dirt means a lot to us - more than NE or coasties can understand.  It's not in an industrialized kind of way - it's a "this is my dirt, my home, my being" sort of way.

Because of that, we "get" states' rights more than those others.  Our loyalty is to our home, which means our state, then our country.

I think it's so personal to us, because it's personal.

If you live in some skyscraper and never see the sky, you are not bound to the dirt.

What do you think?


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Secure our borders, provide for the national defense, levy import taxes, and build interstate highways. Other than that, states rights, and piss off. It's a concept I have had since I was in a very good civics class in 8th grade. I never looked back after having been fully immersed, and baptized in the constitution by an excellent teacher. It was either constitutional, or it wasn't in her class. She would take no mushy middle. She was fearless, and on a mission from God to spread the cause of freedom, and liberty. God Bless her, she lit a fire inside of me. Nowadays, kids don't have any concept of what the Constitution even is. They are ignorant, and or stupid, and they are breeding.
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"You want your moral code to be flexible to accommodate the candidate of the date, that is up to you."

Fencewalking mofos.
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I have a theory, that maybe is wrong, but I would like to run by you.

My theory is that, in the South and Midwest, we "rose up" out of more agrarian beginnings.  As such, we are mentally, if not physically, tied to the land.

The dirt means a lot to us - more than NE or coasties can understand.  It's not in an industrialized kind of way - it's a "this is my dirt, my home, my being" sort of way.

Because of that, we "get" states' rights more than those others.  Our loyalty is to our home, which means our state, then our country.

I think it's so personal to us, because it's personal.

If you live in some skyscraper and never see the sky, you are not bound to the dirt.

What do you think?



I grew up owning and working the dirt.  Still own dirt in the midwest.  Own my dirt here.  Learned from uncles that banks and their loans are largely evil.  That if you buy something you own it, if you borrow and buy something you are leasing it.

I have met numerous very socially liberal dirt farmers here in the Northwest.  They tend to be members of the grown locally, hippy, hipster type of thing that is popular now.  They are sound different than you, farm for very different reasons.   Gay married, marijuana smoking, atheists.  But they seem super connected to dirt. 

Of course you being from real country know here 'grown locally' and think it sounds super stupid.  We used to go on a drive every Sunday.  Pick up 10 bags of feed grain from Uncle Lefty's, drop it at Uncle dicks, pick up milk for us and 3 Aunts, and so on.  It was about 5 stops in total.  They were all timed.  We would spend 20 minutes visiting at each one.  There were a couple relatives that were making the reverse trip.  No government involvement.  no pasteurization of milk.

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I have a theory, that maybe is wrong, but I would like to run by you.

My theory is that, in the South and Midwest, we "rose up" out of more agrarian beginnings.  As such, we are mentally, if not physically, tied to the land.

The dirt means a lot to us - more than NE or coasties can understand.  It's not in an industrialized kind of way - it's a "this is my dirt, my home, my being" sort of way.

Because of that, we "get" states' rights more than those others.  Our loyalty is to our home, which means our state, then our country.

I think it's so personal to us, because it's personal.

If you live in some skyscraper and never see the sky, you are not bound to the dirt.

What do you think?




I agree with this but I think it goes deeper here on the coasts.  Here is an example of what I mean.  I recently took a flight home from vacation.  The destination was San Jose, CA, the heart of Silicon Valley.  When I boarded the plane on my way back to coach, I noticed that the majority of seats in first class were occupied by minors.  There were 18 first class seats and at least 10 of the occupants were under 18.  Now, maybe there were parents using upgrades for their entire family but I think it's something else.

Kids these days, mostly in urban areas on the east and west coasts, are so spoiled that they have no appreciation for earning what they have.  Those of us who have experience with dirt or, in my case, construction work during my youth, understand what it means to work hard or sacrifice or earn what you have.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these coasts are dominated by liberals who mostly look down on people who use have any connection at all to manual work.
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should clarify, some.  By dirt, I really mean a connection that goes beyond owning a piece of land.

At the end of Gone with the Wind, after Scarlet has lost everything, she asks "what will I do".  Then she says "Tara - there's always Tara.  I'll go home to Tara."

I think that's what I am trying to say.  Beyond all the other bluster and BS, there's always that special place to ground us (which I called dirt).  We are thereby grounded in state's rights.
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I am on my dirt, my wife and I built a house on property that my dad grew up on as a boy. Him and his dad raised livestock on property that the family later sold. However I have the homestead and garden across the street, was a livestock barn, that was purchased in 1941, deeded to me in 1983.

Vagabonds, hobos and apartment dwellers don't understand family dirt

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600k for one gig and a chance to tell kap FU? Nice.




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The Kap FU was the winning line.
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Here is the video.

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