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bhblue

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Dewey - If he is not a "natural born citizen", he does not qualify.  Seems that's a bit hard to define.  I think fhoenix provided qualifications for "citizenship" and without knowing the residential status of his mother prior to his birth, it is hard to tell if he qualifies even for that.
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bhblue - OK, let's say Mom was in Canada for six months before the Senator was born.  Prior to that she was in the US.  Would he qualify to be President in your opinion?
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Dewey - He would be a US citizen.  If being a citizen = being a "natural born citizen", then he is not disqualified from being president based on his status.  It would have been nice for the drafters of the Constitution to have defined it for us.
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bhblue - Thanks.  I can't remember exactly where you stood on Obama but it's clear I'm trying to highlight what pabar labeled a contradiction.  How are those folks, who thought Obama being born outside the US disqualified him from being President, going to reconcile Sen. Cruz being born in Canada?  I think most will simply keep quiet.  You have to admit, this conundrum is a bit funny.  
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Dewey - isn't it moot since you don't think Cruz can win the presidency anyway?
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Dewey - isn't it moot since you don't think Cruz can win the presidency anyway?


he was jerking yall's chain to get you to go full circle and admit obama was a U.S. citizen.  I saw that from the beginning

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As usual, Dewey avoids the important topics.  Like how Obama is ruining this country.  Like how Hillary lied and people died.
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pabar, isn't the big difference in the two birth certificates  is that Ted actually produced his birth certificate.  barry has not, big difference
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Yes, I think that is a major difference.  Personally, I lost interest in Obama's legitimacy a long time ago because it's overshadowed by the long-term harm he is inflicting on this country.  In other words, we have much, much larger fish to fry.

Obama has weakened this country with both domestic and foreign policy.  We have three and a half years of this left and the immediate issue is to halt everything he is doing.  That starts by continuing to keep the pressure on delaying any further implementation of Obamacare.  We need to dig deeper into the illegal and atrocious actions of Eric Holder and find a way to add him to the roles of the unemployed.  We need to work hard on behalf of conservative candidates running for election in 2014.  It's critical to find a way to regain control of the Senate.  Harry Reid has been a disaster for this country (from refusing to pass a budget to obstructing all efforts by Republicans to pass legislation).

So I guess what I'm saying is that this whole birth certificate thing is just another sideshow, another distraction.
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From The Blaze -

GOP Rep. to ‘Birther Princess’: ‘Honestly, I Don’t Even Give a S**t’

Freshman Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.) dismissed a question about President Barack Obama’s birth certificate Thursday, calling it a “dead issue” that he doesn’t “give a sh*t” about.

Mullin took a question during a town hall meeting in his Oklahoma district from a woman who identified herself as a “birther princess” and asked about “Obama’s identification fraud.”

“You’re talking about the birth certificate?” Mullin responded, according to video of the exchange posted by liberal website Think Progress. “We lost that argument on November 6. We had four years to get that proven, we didn’t, we re-elected him, so that’s a dead issue.”

“No it isn’t,” the woman protested, before trying to show him a 71-page affidavit from Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation.

“Honestly, I don’t even give a sh*t,” Mullin said, refusing the document.

The video then cuts to Mullin saying he’s “not defending this guy,” before asking audience members whether they have “ever seen those Christians that are on the street corners that are screaming scriptures at cars as they drive by?”

“I believe they’ve got great intentions, I believe, honestly that they’re Christian individuals,” Mullin said. “But let me ask you something, are they doing any good? No, they’re not. And I believe what you’re saying and I don’t support this president whatsoever, but ma’am, we lost, November 6, we had the opportunity to get another president in there.”

The woman said Obama was a “fraud” who was above the law, at which point Mullin said it had “nothing to do with anybody being above the law.”

“Our country is facing some serious issues and if the rest of the American people thought that was a big enough issue, which I thought it probably would’ve been, who would’ve thought we would ever actually, actually be questioning if we had a natural-born president being president?” Mullin said. “That point was made and people still elected him to be president…when I say we lost that argument, we lost that argument, now let’s move onto some other issues. I believe it’s still there, but guys if we didn’t prove it the first four years, what do you think the chances are now?”

Think Progress described Mullin’s comments as the congressman “com[ing] out as a birther,” which Mullin’s office denied to Roll Call.

Mullin spokeswoman Ashley Kehl said he is not a birther, and accused Think Progress of editing the video to be purposely misleading.

“They have, in my opinion, spliced the video to paint my boss as a birther,” Kehl told Roll Call. Kehl said Mullin has “never come out as a birther in the history of his tenure in D.C.”

(H/T: Roll Call)



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So I guess what I'm saying is that this whole birth certificate thing is just another sideshow, another distraction.


Let dewey quote where I ever gave a crap about it either, deflection, sideshow politics.  Any deflection to george bush or ted cruz is a good deflection, it isn't concentrated on the clown's record

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Originally Posted by DietCoke

From The Blaze -

GOP Rep. to ‘Birther Princess’: ‘Honestly, I Don’t Even Give a S**t’




Isn't that what hillary said when 4 died when she lied??

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woody

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The last thing the Dems want to see is Ted Cruz as a Presidental candidate
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Agree woody.  I dont think half the repubs on the hill want it to happen either.  Or the likes of Rove, etc...
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Susan - you're right.  The problem we have now is that we have nothing but wolves on the left and right in the henhouse.  Rove is a joke.  He is a blustering, self-serving propagandist.  To me, he is no better than Jesse Jackson.

Ted Cruz has, so far, shown the courage to stand up to everyone in Congress and we need more like that.  But, as Mark Levin said on Hannity last night, the true non-violent revolution must come from us.  We must act as concerned citizens to fight for a return to the values that made this country great.  That means fighting like hell for true conservative representatives in government, for a defense of the constitution, and for a reversal of the Hollywood-led erosion of the Christian value upon which this country was founded.
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I don't mean this as cynically as it sounds (OK, maybe I do), but hasn't Ted Cruz been a Senator for like a couple hours or so?

What has this guy actually done?

The love affair with him scares me.  He needs to show me something before I get too interested.
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Agreed that Cruz does not have much political experience - so tell me this.  You have Obama with about the same amount of experience so that proves your point.  Then you have George H.W. Bush who had the resume to beat all resumes.  How effective would you say he was?

Ronald Reagan didn't have a strong resume - governor of California and actor.  I would say that he was a great president.

All this has led me to this - the most important characteristics I'm looking for is alignment on the most important issues of the day and the courage to stick to your convictions.  This is what set Reagan apart.  He was brutalized by the left as being a dangerous warmonger one day and a buffoon the next.  But he had a fundamental understanding of what made this country great and he had the balls to stick to positions that supported those principles.  You don't need to have been a senator for 20 years and secretary of state to have those qualities.
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I'm aligned to certain issues and I stick to my convictions.  Can you see how proud the Right is of me?
pabar61

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Are you running for President?  I pray that the Democrats put you on their ticket.
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In that other thread I tried to question this so called "standing by ones convictions".  As I've claimed in several posts, I don't find this to be consistently true with many on the Right.  Condemning President Obama for supposedly being born out of the Country and then accepting Sen. Cruz's Canadian birthplace is a perfect example.  In way too many instances, from my view of the Right, the desire to condemn the opposition far exceeds the importance of maintaining principles and convictions. 
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Dewey did you ever think it might be you drink so much kool aide you dont see straight.  Dont remember any birthers around here.
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In that other thread I tried to question this so called "standing by ones convictions".  As I've claimed in several posts, I don't find this to be consistently true with many on the Right.  Condemning President Obama for supposedly being born out of the Country and then accepting Sen. Cruz's Canadian birthplace is a perfect example.  In way too many instances, from my view of the Right, the desire to condemn the opposition far exceeds the importance of maintaining principles and convictions. 


Dewey - you claim to have some knowledge of the views of people on the right but you really don't.  I seriously doubt you've done enough research to have a general view of the opinions of those on the right.
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pabar - I have specific opinions regarding some on the Right in a few instances and many on the Right in a few other instances.  I try not to group all of them together in any particular instance.  I know too many Conservatives to do any such thing.  You, however, don't hesitate to describe Liberals in an all inclusive and negative manner.  Happens often inside here.

sbmom - You did inquire as to why the President supposedly wouldn't show his birth certificate as if it would mean something one way or the other.  I simply wanted to know if that inquiry meant being born outside of the US effected your opinion regarding one's qualification?  Outside of this, you weren't one of those who pushed me for comment regarding the birth certificate issue.  The one who challenged me the most appears to be ignoring this issue now.
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Dewey - we are living with the result of liberal policies.  There's no opinion involved.
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Dewey I think I recall saying something about paper and ink.  You chose to interpret that as a birther.  Obama had a problem as a candidate showing his birth certificate, his school records, all kinds of paper.  He continues as president to have trouble presenting paper on various subjects as well as lieing.  What a great leader and example for the kids.
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sbmom - Whatever the reason, you found it important enough to ask where is his birth certificate.

pabar - Let's see if I have this right.  Your opinions are facts and my opinions have no merit.  Refresh my memory, aren't you the one who stated Progressives think they are smarter than Conservatives?
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He clearly lied in the NSA scandal as the liberal rag Salon already pointed out.

What gets me about you Dewey is the extraordinary level of your intellectual dishonesty.  All around us, progressives and liberals are waking up to the lie that Obama was the savior and was going to do all these great things.  All he's done is make things worse and the liberal press is finally starting to sniff around the edges and they don't like what they're seeing.  You, on the other hand, stick to your head-in-the-sand, no-criticism-because-it's-bad-debate-policy views.

Those of us on the right have been more than forthcoming on the shortcomings of the Republican party.  Meanwhile, you play your little gotcha games and have yet to have one honest criticism of Obama.  He lied about NSA.  He has done nothing about the Benghazi massacre.  His hands are dirty on the IRS scandal.  He supports an AG who is lawless.  He has provided over the weakest recovery ever (that there was a recovery at all in spite of his policies is a miracle).  His foreign policy doesn't exist which has dramatically lessened our standing in the world.  He has set us on a path toward financial ruin with his acceleration of the profligate spending enabled by all politicians.

But, hey, he's great.
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Dewey - like I said, I just look at the result of enacted liberal policies.

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Asking where is his birth certificate doesnt mean Im a birther does it?    This man does not like to have things on paper so he can lie.  He has done it for 5 years abundantly.  I guarantee ya he has done it for years.  But you dont see any of that or it doesnt matter.  I tend to think the second.  Because as you pointed out many time you want to steal other peoples money so you dont have to pay any more than your taxes.
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pabar - I see no Republicans condemning Republicans.  I do see some upset Libertarians.  In any event, you might be better off to focus on making a clear and persuasive argument and stop worrying about how I make mine.

sbmom - I didn't put a label on you.  I just wanted to know if you are perfectly OK with the fact Senator Cruz was born outside of the US?  Should that disqualify him for the Presidency or not?  I thought it was a simple question.
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