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Dewey

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Personally, I wouldn't have the ability to publicly praise Obama for anything. 


How did I miss this sentence?  After all the harassment you've given me?  Lost all respect, intellectually dishonest, no credibility, and the like?  Wow.  I would never expect you to praise Obama nor would I ever suggest it was your obligation to do so.  But how you can say this openly and chastise me is remarkable.
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Dewey - I stopped caring what you think a long time ago.  I was making a point about the incredible character of Ted Cruz.
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Dont blame ya pabar.  Obama is killing our country and dewey is like a lap dog.  But in the meantime people are losing their jobs, losing their healthcare, having decreased hours work, and paying more for literally everything.  Those people he said he cares about so much are getting screwed big time.  None of the libs on here are saying anything.  Obama and the libs are disgusting and Reid calls tea partiers names.  Hes the one creating tyranny and not running the senate constitutionally.  Hes the one that obstructs at every corner.  Like the fort hoof people havent suffered enough, he is screwing even more.  But he made sure he and his staff dont have to worry about obamacare.
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Dewey - I was making a point about the incredible character of Ted Cruz.


pabar - Republican Congressman and former Iraq vet Adam Kinzinger shared a less complimentary point regarding comments made by your Sen. Cruz.
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Cruz was on the Michael Berry show tonight.  He says too many of those republicans have been on the government payroll too long and got too comfortable in their positions.  cruz is about integrity which is one reason why congress approval ratings suck they have no integrity.   The old guard republicans are sitting up and taking notice of the new maverick and they are afraid of his energy.  finding a republican that wants to bad mouth cruz is as easy as finding an able bodied  citizen in a welfare line.  piss poor dewey, you are losing it.  you dont have a frickin clue what Ted Cruz is about and your ignorance is glowing.
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Hey pabar, you should change your philosophy because some guy disagrees with Ted Cruz on the US not aiding al-Queda in Syria.
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.
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Kinzinger quotes Kucinich.  Awesome.  The more I hear career politicians, regardless of their past, criticize Cruz, the more I know he's the real deal.  Here's the thing.  When people criticize a person because he's encroaching on their comfort zone, the better I like them.  With Obama, everyone is criticizing him because he's in WAY over his head.  I pray for the day when Cruz debates Hillary.  It will be the end of her political career.
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I have said it before, the Left, Democrats, GOP, and their RINOS, better demonize Cruz early and often, before he gets serious traction with Middle America. He is a powerful opponent for the Democrats, and the establishment GOP and RINOS to deal with.
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I pray for the day when Cruz debates Hillary.  It will be the end of her political career.


This reminds me of the "two ears and a nose" theme from the last election.  I'll never understand why the Right is so into predictions.  I can't recall them ever being correct.

The end of Hillary's career?  I still remember listening to Rush continuously say she had no chance to be a Senator.  Man did he get that wrong.

Finally, Rep. Kinzinger is a second term Congressman who served five tours in Afghanistan and Iraq.  He at least understands what rhetoric offends our soldiers and I give him a lot of credit for calling out inappropriate comments by the Senator.  I understand that's unimportant to many inside here but I think it's the kind of leadership this Country needs.
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A two-term senator?  You're right.  That kind of leadership is exactly what we need.  It's a whole term longer than the current Failure in Chief.

In all seriousness, the more I hear discussion fearing and criticizing Cruz, the more I realize he has the potential to be something special.  Of course, that's what everyone thought about Obama with his "soaring rhetoric" which tingled the legs of many a CNN drooler.  Then, he became president and it all came crashing down.  So the predictions commentary has merit.  Certainly all the fawning over Obama proved to be ridiculous.
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[Cruz_EG_header_victorycommittee_orig-1]

Dear keepinitreal,

For too long, Washington has not been listening to the American people. The facts are clear -- Obamacare is not working.

It was an honor to stand on the Senate floor this week to give you a voice and make the case that Washington should listen to the American people. We must defund Obamacare.

Americans across the country are being hurt because of Obamacare. And because of it, the American people are disgusted with Washington.

Millions of Americans who oppose Obamacare have been told by politicians in Washington that "it doesn't matter," that "it can't be done," and "we can't defund it."

Please take a minute to watch our video of the floor debate this week and share it on social media with the hashtag #MakeDCListen.

 

The Senate is currently debating the bipartisan House-passed bill to defund Obamacare and fully fund the government. The Senate should pass it. As early as tomorrow, there will be a final cloture vote to cut off debate, which would allow Senator Harry Reid to add Obamacare funding back into the House bill. I will oppose final cloture to protect the House bill and keep debate going.

The American people are rising up and making their voices heard in Congress.

It is time for Washington politicians from both parties to listen to the American people.

Thank you.

For Liberty,

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Ted Cruz


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keepinitreal

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Ted Cruz on Hannity just now knocked it out of the park.  Stick to the facts Ted, keep telling the truth.  

Who is standing in the way of funding the VA?  Who is standing in the way of opening National Parks?  Who is not funding NIH?

Yes, they do live in the D.C. bubble Ted, the washington way. Bust the bubble

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I could care less if this man runs for president or not. 

As long as he keeps Washington honest and forces them to play by the rules, he is doing what I elected him to do.  The most important vote of my life was in November when I voted for that man to represent the great state of Texas and go to Washington to CHANGE the washington way. 

Piss on Trent Lott for chastising the great Senator from Texas.  Trent Lott is now a paid lobbyist and has no business in the business of my America

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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Dewey

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Who is standing in the way of funding the VA?  Who is standing in the way of opening National Parks?  Who is not funding NIH?



All of these programs are completely funded in a bill passed by the Senate and sitting on the Speaker's desk.  In fact, if he calls for a vote, it will be passed by the House and the money can flow.  Who in the world can't see these programs have been funded by one side and the other side won't vote?  It can't get any simpler than this.

Imagine funding the NIH and VA in a bill that eliminated semi-automatic weapons.  The Conservatives would vote no and it wouldn't for a minute mean they didn't want to fund the NIH or VA.  C'mon, give voters more credit than this.
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They are funded but they are not funded.  They are SHUT down.  Keep playing semantics.  If they were funded they would be open and harry reid would not be holding back funding from those poor, poor sick children.  If I must say, that is no way to treat children, just so insensitive.  Michelle must be worried sick about those cancer patients, she needs to step in
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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Ted Cruz faced a barrage of hostile questions Wednesday from angry GOP senators, who lashed the Texas tea party freshman for helping prompt a government shutdown crisis without a strategy to end it.

At a closed-door lunch meeting in the Senate’s Mansfield Room, Republican after Republican pressed Cruz to explain how he would propose to end the bitter budget impasse with Democrats, according to senators who attended the meeting. A defensive Cruz had no clear plan to force an end to the shutdown — or explain how he would defund Obamacare, as he has demanded all along, sources said.

Things got particularly heated when Cruz was asked point-blank if he would renounce attacks waged on GOP senators by the Senate Conservatives Fund, an outside group that has aligned itself closely with the Texas senator.Cruz’s response: “I will not,” according to an attendee.

The closed-door Wednesday meetings hosted by the Senate’s conservative Steering Committee are supposed to be private, so senators interviewed for this article asked not to be named.

“It seems that there is nothing the media likes to cover more than disagreements among Republicans, and apparently some senators are content to fuel those stories with anonymous quotes,” Cruz told POLITICO. “Regardless, my focus — and, I would hope, the focus of the rest of the conference — is on stopping Harry Reid’s shutdown, ensuring that vital government priorities are funded, and preventing the enormous harms that Obamacare is inflicting on millions of Americans.”

But as the government shutdown heads into day three, a number of Republican senators privately blame the Texas freshman for contributing to the mess their party finds itself in. And now that they’re in it, they say it’s up to Cruz to help find a solution.


“It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn’t have a strategy – he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was,” said one senator who attended the meeting. “I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch.”

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The article shows it isn't all cheers and beer nor is it right vs left. It is right on right action.
I like ted cruz. But not because of his wendy davis/ rand paul moment......but because given another 2 years to polish himself and unite the partyhe will be great---- Unless Santorum runs again in which case he has my support.


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pabar61

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This is healthy.  For too long, the Republicans have been the go along to get along party - to the detriment of the country.  They have been far too comfortable in abandoning the conservative principles that should form the basis for how they legislate.  I am 100% behind Ted Cruz.  They're lashing out at him because he is making them be principled or stand out as the RINOs that they are.  They only care about themselves.  At least on the Republican side, we have someone of principle.  There doesn't exist such a person among Democrats.
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I'm having a little bit of a hard time understanding how one Senator, who's name is not Harry Reid, caused this shutdown.

If they want to lash out with someone, I would think Reid should be the focus of their anger.  He is the worst ever, and is a despicable human being.  For evidence, just read some of his quotes.
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I agree.  Harry Reid is THE problem.  But, we wouldn't have Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama if Republicans had acted like Conservatives during the Bush administration.  Meaning, they allowed themselves to act like Democrats and let the debt continue its upward trajectory.  Now we have Obama shifting that debt increase into overdrive.

What does infuriate me is all the people on the left calling Cruz et al - anarchists, terrorists, radical, etc.  What this is about is returning to a constitutional republic which we've lost.
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What does infuriate me is all the people on the left calling Cruz et al - anarchists, terrorists, radical, etc. 


It is nice, though, that they've tamped down the rhetoric.  Imagine how bad it might be if they weren't using restraint.

After using such rhetoric, they wonder why it's hard to negotiate.  How do you go into a negotiation with the other side saying they won't negotiate, period, and for good measure, going on the MSM and calling you a terrorist.

As stated, Reid is despicable.  Pelosi stands second in the despicable human being line, but Wasserman Shultz is elbowing her in the ribs because she wants that spot.
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An insightful piece on what makes Cruz tick, from CNN

http://us.cnn.com/2013/10/09/opinion/navarrette-cruz-obamacare/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter@WortheyAC

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From an email received.

Last week, POLITICO reported that Senate Republicans "lashed" conservatives Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) in a private meeting for their efforts to stop Obamacare funding and for supporting the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF).

These unnamed Republicans attacked Senate Conservatives Fund and our grassroots supporters across the country because we ran TV and radio ads calling on them to join the fight to defund Obamacare.

They're mad because you're holding them accountable.

Thankfully, you have some true friends in Washington. When pressed by their colleagues to disavow you, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee refused. In fact, POLITICO reported that Cruz defiantly shot back, "I will not."

Now that's what courage looks like.

We wish the story ended here, but it does not.

Yesterday the identity of the Republican senator who led the attack against conservatives and said that anyone who supports the Senate Conservatives Fund is a traitor and should be treated like an enemy.

That senator was Mitch McConnell (R-KY), the Republican Leader.

Mitch McConnell thinks you're a traitor, but he's the one who quietly worked with Harry Reid (D-NV) and President Obama to raise the debt limit, increase taxes, and fund Obamacare. He's the one who betrayed the voters in his own party and abandoned our nation's founding principles.

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After using such rhetoric, they wonder why it's hard to negotiate.  How do you go into a negotiation with the other side saying they won't negotiate, period, and for good measure, going on the MSM and calling you a terrorist.


Is that anything like the far right calling the President a "marxist", "fascist", "socialist, "communist", "Leninist", "Muslim", "tyrant", "dictator", "foreigner", "Hitler", "Obummer", "One Big Ass Mistake America", "racist", etc., etc.....

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In the last month, with our nations future at stake, I have heard none of those words DC.  [NCFTLS]  I have heard all the name calling coming from the Dems right now at crunch time.  Nice spin though, typical "Bush did it response".  What has happened at crunch time?  Has the potus done his job in your opinion?  Really??

edit: to clarify I am talking about politicians, not rubes on the internet.

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After using such rhetoric, they wonder why it's hard to negotiate.  How do you go into a negotiation with the other side saying they won't negotiate, period, and for good measure, going on the MSM and calling you a terrorist.


Is that anything like the far right calling the President a "marxist", "fascist", "socialist, "communist", "Leninist", "Muslim", "tyrant", "dictator", "foreigner", "Hitler", "Obummer", "One Big Ass Mistake America", "racist", etc., etc.....


No actually, nothing like it.

The Senate Majority Leader, the House Minority Leader, and the POTUS himself have been calling the other side arsonists, extortionists, hostage takers, holding guns to the head of the American people, and going in front of the press everyday and lying out their a#%.

The above cited individuals would, presumably, lead the negotiations for the Dems.  Over the course of the shutdown, they have proven themselves to be small minded, vindictive, name calling, liars.

What some rubes say on an internet forum is not even close.
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After using such rhetoric, they wonder why it's hard to negotiate.  How do you go into a negotiation with the other side saying they won't negotiate, period, and for good measure, going on the MSM and calling you a terrorist.


Is that anything like the far right calling the President a "marxist", "fascist", "socialist, "communist", "Leninist", "Muslim", "tyrant", "dictator", "foreigner", "Hitler", "Obummer", "One Big Ass Mistake America", "racist", etc., etc.....


So by this logic the president and senate leader should use tactics identical to the far right.

So much for noblesse oblige. Lol
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I can only be held responsible for obummer and One Big Ass Mistake America.  maybe dictator..... but like mike said, I am some rube on the internet [like the rest of you]
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I did indeed call the President a Socialist, because he is a Socialist. Why would you consider this inappropriate?  I would say that Cruz is a conservative.
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So by this logic the president and senate leader should use tactics identical to the far right. So much for noblesse oblige. Lol


I made no conclusions as to the validity of the tactics.  I will now.  I don't like name-calling from either side.  It does nothing to further the cause or promote negotiations.

The point of my post was, again, to point out that many of you hurl criticisms at the Dems while doing exactly the same thing that you are criticizing them for doing.  It's the hypocrisy that always amazes me.


Conflict resolution mediator Mark Gerzon said “Incivility, dishonesty and character attacks that once were a bad habit during campaign season have become a way of life.”

“Public attacks make it personal. The response, the entire conversation, goes to the attack, not the problem at hand. The moment there’s an audience, posturing takes over,” said Peter Post, director of the Emily Post Institute and author of five etiquette books.
 
 

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No actually, nothing like it.

The Senate Majority Leader, the House Minority Leader, and the POTUS himself have been calling the other side arsonists, extortionists, hostage takers, holding guns to the head of the American people, and going in front of the press everyday and lying out their a#%Your opinion, which you are entitled to.  The polls say otherwise.

The above cited individuals would, presumably, lead the negotiations for the Dems.  Over the course of the shutdown, they have proven themselves to be small minded, vindictive, name calling, liars.

What some rubes say on an internet forum is not even close.


If you think I was referring to what people post on internet forums, you are dead wrong.  Just a few examples from a 2010 article (and it's only gotten worse over the past 3 years - if you don't think so, Google it) -

Many conservatives took great issue with Obama’s use of the word “enemies” to describe political opponents. Tonight in Cincinnati, Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) will give a major “closing argument” speech in which he will attack Obama for the comment:

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a president in the White House who referred to Americans who disagree with him as ‘our enemies.’ Think about that. He actually used that word. When Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush used the word ‘enemy,’ they reserved it for global terrorists and foreign dictators — enemies of the United States. Enemies of freedom. Enemies of our country. Today, sadly, we have president who uses the word ‘enemy’ for fellow Americans — fellow citizens. He uses it for people who disagree with his agenda of bigger government — people speaking out for a smaller, more accountable government that respects freedom and allows small businesses to create jobs. Mr. President, there’s a word for people who have the audacity to speak up in defense of freedom, the Constitution, and the values of limited government that made our country great. We don’t call them ‘enemies.’ We call them ‘patriots.’”

Boehner’s sanctimony is truly stunning, considering that since the start of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign and through his time as President of the United States, an office for which Boehner professes much reverence in his speech, Republicans have directly attacked Obama as everything from a “gangster” to Adolf Hitler, and suggested in myriad ways that Obama is an enemy to America, or perhaps not even actually an American.

A limited collection of the worst things Republicans have said about Obama:

– Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) was forced to apologize for “calling President-elect Barack Obama a ‘Marxist’ and comparing him to Adolf Hitler.” [11/12/08]

– Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) also compared Obama not only to Hitler, but also Hugo Chavez. [07/09/09]

– Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) questioned whether President Obama was an American, saying: “Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven’t seen any birth certificate. You have to be born in America to be president.” [02/23/09]

– Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) also questioned Obama’s citizenship, saying birthers “have a point” and that “I don’t discourage it.” [07/29/09]

– Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) said she was “very concerned that [Obama] may have anti-American views.” [10/17/08]

– Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) called Obama “an enemy of humanity” for his pro-choice views. [09/26/09]

– Former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) called Obama “a more serious threat to America than al Qaeda,” and said he was “a dedicated enemy of the Constitution.” [07/22/10]

– Rep. Steve King (R-IA) said that the Obama administration was a “gangster government.” [11/12/09]

– Bachmann, too, accuses Obama of heading a “gangster government.” [06/10/09]

– As Republican vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin famously said Obama is “palling around with terrorists.” [10/04/10]

– Palin also said the president was being advised by “thugs” from Chicago. [06/10/10]

Boehner did not repudiate a single one of these comments, but has suddenly found a sense of political decorum. Perhaps the next time an elected Republican accuses Obama of trying to destroy America, Boehner can give another speech.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/11/01/127663/boehner-enemy-hypocrisy/

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