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ForeverInBlue

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Obama is looking for scapegoats. Paul is standing on principle.
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What's the rush huh?  JG, never seen that washington way, what's that say about leadership in this country?

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Nice one kir.  That definitely sums it up these days.
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Libs and the DNC better attack Cruz now, and attempt to marginalize him immediently. They are making a huge mistake if they allow him to get traction with the silent majority. They should promote Christie, win or lose, they get a left leaning President.
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Good point Woody.  Dems better start attacking because they certainly can't run a campaign on accomplishments.
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woody - I think I heard Rep. Ron Paul collected about 8% of the vote on average.  I'm curious why so many of you think another Libertarian candidate is primed to exceed this number?  At this point, I'm inclined to believe the majority of those who voted for Romney and/or McCain will consider voting for Clinton or Biden before they'd support someone from the "isolationist" wing of the GOP.  Are you confident a McCain, Powell, Lieberman, or Graham votes for Rand Paul before Hillary Clinton?

In addition, I find it interesting how the Libertarian wing refuses to break off into a third party.  In essence, they've become the true "RINO's" because many are not Republicans at all and some will openly admit such.  The GOP I know is more hawkish, considers compromise, supports SS and Medicare, and agrees to Government programs for the needy.  The Libertarians appear to have a whole different approach to these various issues and are, imo, parading as Republicans in order to hopefully achieve their mission.  I understand their reasoning, since a third party is a death knell, but hanging the term "RINO" on others seems odd.
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The attached article from Salon is unsurprisingly highly critical of Ted Cruz.  There may be no higher praise of him in my book.

That they say he is destabilizing the government speaks to two strengths of Cruz.  First, the government, as it stands today, is highly in need of destabilization.  Democrats have become socialists and Republicans have become liberals and most politicians are in it simply for their own gain.  That Ted Cruz is destabilizing such a dysfunctional body is highly praiseworthy.  Secondly, that Cruz is able to have such an impact is incredibly impressive and speaks volumes about his ability to be a president who can change the world for the better.  Think about Obama and Hillary in the Senate and how un-noteworthy their tenures were.  They were there simply as a way to further their careers.

Dewey is wetting himself with joy over this division in the Republican party and trying to label people as RINO or not RINO and where do they fit in.  In my view, this division couldn't have happened too soon as the Republican party has strayed much too far left where it now looks liberal.  Sadly the Democrats are mostly socialists and have slid equally far to the left over the past 40-50 years. Cruz is doing the right and courageous thing by reminding all of us that the truly moderate path is the path that follows the Constitution.  Of course, the mainstream, Obama-slathering media would have us believe that that is now a radical position but it is clearly not. 

Take abortion.  The second link talks about how researchers in Finland (you know, that wacko right-wing Finland) have concluded that based on their research, babies in the womb can remember words.  But the abortionists, with their accomplices in the media, academia and the White House, would have us believe that babies in the womb are nothing more than property to be kept or disposed of at the behest of the mother.  This is what I mean by how far left some elements of our society have slid.

I am more and more impressed with Cruz every day.  Let's not forget how Ronald Reagan, the greatest president of the 20th century was treated by the left, the media, and some in his own party as a war-mongerer, an idiot, and a washed-up actor.  Let those on the left do everything they can to vilify Cruz - to me it adds to his legitimacy.


http://www.salon.com/2013/09/02/republicans_arent_about_to_crackup_theyve_been_cracking_up_for_years/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2013/09/02/amazing-new-study-shows-babies-can-remember-words-from-the-womb-n1685441
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pabar - Fair enough but what makes those on the Right confident that Cruz or Paul will draw any more followers than the elder Paul?  Or is this even a concern at this time?  This Syrian vote is going to expose an even greater division in the GOP and I'm simply curious if Conservatives believe a Cruz or Paul candidate can hold on to the GOP moderates, aka Romney/McCain voters, against the likes of Hilary or Biden?  I would think this rift between the two wings of the Party makes winning the Presidency next to impossible.  I can't begin to imagine how a candidate representing a constituency that was small to begin with can ignore immigration reform, grow more isolationist, and bring in more voters than McCain or Romney managed to attract.  Woody's concern about the media seems to be the least of the Right's worries.

Lastly, would a supporting vote by Paul and/or Cruz on the Syrian intervention resolution effect your support of their candidacy?
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I have no faith in the American electorate.  After all, how many videos did we see of "voters" jubilant over Obama's election because now he was going to pay their bills.

Also, despite the fact that the left has been mostly complicit in fomenting the socialist tendencies of Obama, fissures are starting to form and will continue to form in the Democratic party as the country's condition continues to worsen economically, as it surely will, and on the international stage.

This country, in terms of populace is still mostly center right.  Most don't trust government and think government has gotten too big.  Most think that government should live with a balanced budget.  Most believe that foreign policy should be about protecting US interests.  Most are anti-abortion.

Most of all, I think the electorate as a whole, despite the few who still think Obama is going to buy them a car, is fed up with Washington's ways.  They are fed up with candidates who lie to get into office.  They are fed up with career politicians.  They are fed up with sexually devious behavior.  They are fed up with opinions formed on the basis of polls rather than representation and principle.

Here is the best case for Cruz.  Obama is the new Carter and Cruz is the new Reagan.  There are a ton of parallels.  Carter presided over a terrible economy as Obama has done.  Carter completely mangled foreign affairs as Obama has done.  I pray that we don't end up with a situation like our diplomats being taken hostage for 444 days by radical Islamists but with the way Obama is handling the Middle East (Benghazi anyone?), that might be the final parallel.
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Dewey -  first off, the elder Paul was a clown, and a one-trick pony.  He was never a serious contender, because he had no vision, platform, or ideas other than it cost too much money to fight wars.  The fact that he got any votes at all is remarkable.

I am starting to wonder, after watching this whole Syria debacle in particular, if we aren't in store for a more Constitutionalist President.

The fact is that the economy, in spite of the government's assertions, is still weak.  Our foreign policy is a joke.  Our allies abroad have deserted us. 

I have this feeling that people are going to line up behind a candidate who puts America first, and who prioritizes our needs, at home and abroad, above those of anyone else.  In effect, someone who will be a cheerleader for American greatness, and will promote a vision to get us there.

At this point, I don't know who that will be.

However, the candidates coming up are a lot more serious that Ron Paul ever was.  Anyone equating the up and comers to Ron Paul will be very seriously underestimating the backlash to Obama that is coming.

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Dewey - Our allies abroad have deserted us. 

I have this feeling that people are going to line up behind a candidate who puts America first, and who prioritizes our needs, at home and abroad, above those of anyone else. 


mikec - If we assume you are correct about our allies, do you really believe if we tell Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Turkey, France, Great Britain, and the like that we have chosen to focus more on America and go our own way, that's going to draw us closer together?  I can't begin to agree with this conclusion.  Secondly, the number of votes you'll lose from the more hawkish wing of the GOP is likely to be enormous.  The Republicans are already out there telling people they have a problem with the isolationists in their Party and I can't see how this is good news for increasing your vote total this time around.

As for Libertarian differences, we'll forget about Ron Paul for the time being and I'll ask you where Ted Cruz differs from Palin, Bachmann, or Cain?  Are you telling us it's the messenger that's failing to gain much interest in our elections as opposed to the message?

Lastly, I can't see how you line up more Hispanic votes than the GOP won last time without some kind of immigration reform.  I don't know how you increase the women's vote with these many laws being passed regarding abortion.  I don't know how you increase the black, Hispanic, student, and poor vote with these new laws making voting more difficult.  When you take out the wing of the GOP, who don't want to become isolationists and will likely vote for Biden or Clinton, I don't know how you grow your voter base.  Who are you expecting to add?  There are some Dems further on the Left that agree with your non-intervention philosophy but they're never going to come to the Libertarians who believe Government has a very little role to play in our lives.  Instead, they'll still vote Democrat and then try to pull your kind over in support of the policies in which there is some agreement.

The only thing that has changed since our most recent elections is the GOP has splintered and are unlikely to hold the entirety of their own Party in any national election.  I named many groups above who will certainly stay away from a Libertarian candidate and I can't begin to find any group of voters who might switch from voting Progressive in order to support Mr. Cruz or Mr. Paul.  There is simply nothing new there to add more voters let alone replace all those you'll lose with a Libertarian candidate.

PS:  I just read another thread that indicates some Libertarians believe it should be OK for businesses to refuse to provide service to gay folks.  Not sure if Mr. Cruz would sign on to this policy but, if so, there goes much of the gay vote as well.
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This is not going to happen.


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When you take out the wing of the GOP, who don't want to become isolationists and will likely vote for Biden or Clinton, I don't know how you grow your voter base. 
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As for Libertarian differences, we'll forget about Ron Paul for the time being and I'll ask you where Ted Cruz differs from Palin, Bachmann, or Cain?  Are you telling us it's the messenger that's failing to gain much interest in our elections as opposed to the message?

PS:  I just read another thread that indicates some Libertarians believe it should be OK for businesses to refuse to provide service to gay folks.  Not sure if Mr. Cruz would sign on to this policy but, if so, there goes much of the gay vote as well.


I have said before, I don't know enough about Cruz, in spite of some liberals members' fascination with him, to say one way or the other what he will or won't sign onto.

As for Palin - she's not running to the best of my knowledge, so I don't really care what she has to say.  Bachman was pushed by Hannity, and that was a loser from the start.  Cain had some very interesting things to say, but he wasn't black enough, and got run out of town by the same race-baiters who are defended and welcomed in the Dem Party.

As for the business in Oregon - it is a bakery.  Why should they not be allowed to choose the assignments they undertake?  It's not law enforcement, or a housing application.  Maybe they were busy, who knows?  But, the backlash from the Homosexual Community is ridiculous. 
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Dewey - it's not just a business and it's not just a bakery.  It is a business owned by two individuals who have religious beliefs that are supposed to be protected by the First Amendment.  They are not taking public money, I assume they are paying their taxes appropriately and they are not providing a public service.  Tell me why they should not be allowed to practice their beliefs under the First Amendment.  I would like to hear one valid reason from any of the liberals on this site.  I'll post this also in the original thread and hope for the discussion to continue there.
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If Sen. Paul or Sen. Cruz vote for the Syrian intervention resolution, will it be a game-changer when it comes to your support for either of these two men?
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It will be one data point among many that help me make my decision.  Nobody is perfect.  Reagan certainly did some things I didn't like but on the big stuff he got it and he did it the right way.
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This is where Cruz currently stands on Syria.  His thinking is what I would suspect in that the sole reason, in his opinion, to attack Syria is to protect our national interests.  The big question is whether or not our national interests are really in jeopardy in this situation.  I tend to be skeptical on that point.

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/09/syria-where-do-cruz-and-cornyn-stand/
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If Sen. Paul or Sen. Cruz vote for the Syrian intervention resolution, will it be a game-changer when it comes to your support for either of these two men?


It depends on what the intelligence says, but mostly, does that intelligence show a direct and irrefutable danger to our nation, and it's security? If not, then no go. From the start, I wanted to know what the Russian special forces were doing in Syria. Were they securing chemical weapons? Do the rebel forces control any chemical weapons? If we were to overthrow a stable government, who or what will take it's place? Things didn't go well in Libya, or Egypt. I would certainly question Cruz and Paul if they just jumped on the bomb Assad band wagon being rolled out. 

Hillary was SOS during the start of this conflict, as well as Libya, and Egypt. Would you consider this a game changer for her?? This is her foreign policy on show.

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That SOS was her Titanic.
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woody - No.  I can understand people who differ over this resolution.  As a Democrat, wherever Hilary or Biden come down with regards to this intervention would not be a game-changer for me.  I think it's quite different for the hawks in the GOP.  If Libertarians are going to push this isolationist philosophy, I have little doubt many Republicans could not support them as President.  Mikec didn't agree with me but you have to have a lot of faith to believe the McCains, Grahamms, and Powells of the world are going to turn over foreign policy to non-interventionists.  Today you have Dennis Prager supporting the Speaker and Rush Limbaugh condemning him for his pro intervention stance.  Prager said the Libertarian view, when it comes to foreign policy, is extreme, to say the least, and not in our best interests as a Country.  I don't know how so many remain so confident that these people will come on board if Sen Cruz or Sen Paul is the next Presidential candidate.
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They will come on board because they are now recognizing the ineptness of the Socialist experiment Obama brought about. Now that their paychecks and health care options, are being effected by the HC bill,and they see our foreign policy turning our international standing into a laughing stock, the pendulum will swing right of center. I told you long ago that when socialism pushed the edges of the envelope, and shoved itself down the throats of average Americans, that the swing back to the right might go further than expected.
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What's the rush huh?  JG, never seen that washington way, what's that say about leadership in this country?

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I saw where you were quizzing me on the other thread joisey, however I asked you this in a much more simple manner about why we would chose a 9 or 10 day delay if it's so important.  Is it because 100,000 already have died and a few more will not be noticed?  Can we just do a question or two at a time if you expect them to be answered.  I saw where you dislike bumper stickers but in the meantime, comment on Ted Cruz's tweet if you would.
p.s. and why have you not congratulated Ted Cruz on trying to change 'the washington way'.  Is it because you choose not to learn about this man?  He is changing minds, one at a time.  He may not be president himself, a clone would be just as good, he is trailblazing [google it]

p.s.s. I saw where mccain and grahamnesty had tea and crumpits with the potus yesterday.  I don't think that is what Ted was suggesting.  They should have ALL been called back immediately, they were all busy hiding from town halls anyway, cept Cruz. 

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woody - We'll have to agree to disagree.  It was moderate Republicans who put this health care legislation together in the first place.  There certainly can't be enough disgust here to take their supposed greatest strengths, national security and foreign policy, and dismiss them as we turn into isolationists.  I'll certainly win the lottery before such a change in GOP moderates ever takes place. 
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We'll have to agree to disagree.


You know how many times you have made that statement?

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that the swing back to the right might go further than expected.


I remember reading that and filing it

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I don't know if I've ever read a more insightful, cogent analysis of the current state of affairs with our politicians but I think the attached is absolutely spot on and brilliant.  Time to kick out Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Biden, Boxer, Schumer, Rangel, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Graham, and McCain.  They are all self-serving stealing liars.  And we can do without Rove too.  It's time for a political revolution.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/4/wolf-saving-the-elephants-from-the-rabbits/?page=all#pagebreak
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I don't know if I've ever read a more insightful, cogent analysis of the current state of affairs with our politicians but I think the attached is absolutely spot on and brilliant.  Time to kick out Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Biden, Boxer, Schumer, Rangel, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Graham, and McCain.  They are all self-serving stealing liars.  And we can do without Rove too.  It's time for a political revolution.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/4/wolf-saving-the-elephants-from-the-rabbits/?page=all#pagebreak


I want JG to lead the charge, we WILL bell that cat

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woody - We'll have to agree to disagree.  It was moderate Republicans who put this health care legislation together in the first place.  There certainly can't be enough disgust here to take their supposed greatest strengths, national security and foreign policy, and dismiss them as we turn into isolationists.  I'll certainly win the lottery before such a change in GOP moderates ever takes place. 


I call Horse Hockey Dewey. I totally disagree. Moderate Republicans are in reality, Northeastern Democrats. They don't count for horse apples in my book. Mark my words, that middle America that has been BS'd, and lied to by Democrat Socialist, and the GOP RINO Heirs elect, are pissed off, and the mushy middle is out of luck in 2014. People have had enough, and the minions that voted for Obama, will be asleep on the couch, waiting for a check in the mail, as America goes to the polls and takes back control from your Socialist Party.

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Here is why I like Ted Cruz.  Personally, I wouldn't have the ability to publicly praise Obama for anything.  But proving that principle trumps politics, Cruz applauded Obama for going to Congress on the Syria issue which was the right thing to do - no matter that he was essentially forced to do so.  This speaks to Cruz's intelligence, character, and ability to stick to his principles.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/ted-cruz-praises-barack-obama-96665.html
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Reid calls the Tea Party anarchists.  Good!  It's about time somebody had the huevos to stand up for what's right.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/321835-reid-anarchist-have-taken-over-the-house-senate
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Dems block Cruz resolution for select committee on Benghazi and to make Fort Hood act of terrorism not workplace violence.

http://www.bit.ly/1g6RF2F


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