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GoYard

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I did not see the 60 Minutes piece.  I do agree that there are abuses in the program and I have posted that on several occasions.  I believe as many Republicans as Democrats are scamming the system.  I see the TV ads for lawyers that promise to get you the disability benefits you deserve if you've already been denied.  I cringe.  Followup evaluations should be done so that people don't get on disability (and Medicare) and stay there for life.  Most people I know receiving disability payments are perfectly able to work.  Disability payments should be reserved to only the neediest.  But I saw this article the other day and I felt a tiny bit better.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176532/60-minutes-gets-disability-insurance-all-wrong

It certainly gave a frightening impression. But viewers got little valuable information about the actualfraud rates for SSDI. Kroft didn’t interview any policy experts, nor any spokespeople for the program nor anyone who actually receives benefits.

Had he done so, viewers might have learned the following:

  • According to the OECD, the United States has among the most restrictive and least generous disability benefit systems in the developed world—behind only South Korea.

  • Two-thirds of SSDI applicants are denied on the first application. More than 60 percent are denied even after all appeals are complete.

  • SSDI is funded through payroll tax contributions, and is provided to workers who have contributed enough through payroll taxes to be insured.

  • There is an answer to Coburn’s question of “where did all these disabled people come from?” Demographics explain nearly all of it, and this rise in SSDI applicants was predicted as far back as 1994. Growth in the US population, the baby-boom generation entering its high-disability years and the surge of women who entered the workplace in the 1970s and 1980s and became insured under SSDI all contributed to the natural rise in beneficiaries.

  • As baby boomers reach the retirement age, the SSDI growth has already begun to level off and will decline in coming years.

  • There will be a shortfall in SSDI benefits beginning in 2016, but the program can pay 79 to 80 percent of benefits through 2086.

  • To reach solvency, Congress would simply have to enact a modest reallocation of payroll taxes from the retirement side of Social Security to the disability side, as it has done eleven times in the past to respond to demographic changes.

In other words, SSDI is a very strict program that denies far more people than it accepts, and needs a modest congressional fix to stay at full solvency. An interesting issue, for certain—but nothing like the benefit-sucking dystopia portrayed by 60 Minutes.

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For sure there are abuses in the SSDI program.  Republicans call for action to address these and I wholeheartedly agree with them.  For sure there are abuses in our banking and insurance industries.  Democrats call for regulation but Republicans hesitate.
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There goes dewey generalizing again.  It's ok for him to generalize, he's the moderator. 

"Republicans hesitate".  LMAO you got links to support your weak statement.. Is that related to the thread mr. moderator? 

self-reliance would be the topic of this thread.  Can we elect a new moderator?

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pabar61

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Dewey - did Dodd-Frank not do anything?  Tell me how, if Republicans hesitate, we now have Sarbanes-Oxley.
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By the way, who elected Dewey moderator of anything?
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By the way, who elected Dewey moderator of anything?


WDIK and robo elected him..

dewey has run more people off from this forum than he has welcomed. 

Did anyone ever catch, or remember, the post where dewey said that he had made so many valid points that he 'ran' the opposition off?  Some of you web search gurus can find the post?

In memory of slideby7, swifty and oldscout

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DietCoke

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Sorry to dredge up this old thread, but the following seems to somewhat fit with the prior discussions about government pensions.

Interesting article -

Battle over police pensions takes ugly turn

In the comments, there is a link to a public employees' salaries database in San Francisco.  VERY telling.  Take a look at what firemen and policemen are making.  Just about the only profession making more are doctors.  I'm guessing some of these amounts are inflated by DROP payments (which are obscene, IMO), but looking at these numbers, it's hard to argue that these men and women aren't getting a really good deal.  The "work 20, retire for 30" scenario has to stop!  These payments can't be sustained.  And no longer can they argue that they aren't making as much as the private sector.

http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/bay-area/2012

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keepinitreal

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agree with DC.  

I like it when you are able to separate fact from fiction and give the readers some insight without the pandering that some do to to the unions, voluntary unemployed and the moochers.  Good job DC

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pabar61
By the way, who elected Dewey moderator of anything?


Acting as a moderator is not easy and typically, the owner of the site picks who moderates.  While I don't know who owns this site, it would be my guess that is how Dewey gained the ability to moderate.  Dewey does have a long time posting history on this site.  

I moderate two sites and am constantly under attack.  There are so many things that the general public is unaware of that moderators have to consider.  I have had members of the sites I moderate call my employer to try to get me fired for moderating while I was on the job.  We have a "duty free lunch" and I take my computer to school each day and so, I was fine and legal.  However, the attacks escalated to contacting school board members and then the press.  I have had attacks go to lengths none of you would believe but would say is a primary reason why my house is armed.  I have had guys video tape my child at ball games and attack her.  Again, Moderating is no fun and often only done because of long lasting friendships.  That is the situation in my case.  Good friends and owners of those sites need help and I believe in the sites.  It has cost me thousands in legal fees to continue but thank goodness those fees were taken care of.  I hope Dewey never experiences that.  

I hope we all keep our disagreements in perspective.  This is just a website and none of us should view this miscellaneous forum as anything other than an opportunity to express our points of view.  

Take care,

Darrell
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CoachB - Thanks but there's really nothing to moderating this site anymore.  I don't have to do anything behind the scenes.  I do moderate rudeness inside the forum, via my various comments some here don't appreciate very much, but that's not so difficult either.  I'm more amazed at what people our age can say to folks they don't know from their desktop at home.  Something about the internet.
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there's dewy hiding behind his keyboard again "amazed at what people our age can say".  Such a sheltered life you live.  I would say the same thing to your face dewy that I say here, don't doubt it for a second.  You would be scurrying to your car in the parking lot.  If you voiced your views in public, you would be dealt with in public. You state your views on the internet then you are dealt with on the internet.

That is why you sit and pound your keyboard and do not participate locally in politics.  Because you also hide behind your keyboard.  If you espoused those views, in public, in the flyover states or the south, you would be skewered.  You don't KNOW me or how I would act if you were addressing an audience with your nonsense in my presence.  The internet is your friend and you should remember that, it is only by the internet that you have the audience that you do.  You have proven and stated that you don't walk the talk.  You avoid political discussion with your family, remember.  You only participate in your hobby (national politics) here on this forum, how strange.  You got the politic part down but you know nothing about the 2/3 of the country that are between the coasts.

and to the coach who said

"I hope we all keep our disagreements in perspective.  This is just a website and none of us should view this miscellaneous forum as anything other than an opportunity to express our points of view." 

I differ wholeheartedly, this is life and death and if we let the 50,000 get the wrong message then what does that tell us about our gut and our resolve?  This is more than pounding the keyboard now, this is life and death.  This administration has been found out and the light has shined on the liars.  The senate is waking up now, throwing off their gentlemanly overcoats, calling out the liars in office and dueling in the aisles.  




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JoiseyGuy

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Darrel - You are either a very brave or a very foolish man (sometimes they are the same thing).  People really do jump on grenades.  I feel the same way about Dewey whom I consider a good man.  When one is facing a propagandized person or group who is more interested in being right than being valid, and who will attack with venom anyone who opposes his/her/their way of thinking, the result will be many posts or PMs vilifying you as a thread manager.  Someone is living a "sheltered life" (me and my friends feel this way) and sincerely accusing others of living a "sheltered life".  How long did you live in fifth ward Newark??  Think about a Jew writing his point of view in Nazi Germany, or a black writer writing his view encouraging civil rights in Birmingham in the South of Jim Crow.  The subject matter too often gives way to personal and emotional (even physical)  attack based on "conservative or liberal" epithets.

  Personally, I could not do what you and Dewey do because it would make me an unhappy human being, and I admire your loyalty to your cause and your thick skin while posting your perspective and managing a thread.  My barroom brawling days are long gone (not sure about that), but I must admit that too often posts here on miscellaneous create those old feelings in me and test my attempts to be mannerly, which I believe is the right thing to do in "discussion" but not warfare, physical or mental.  How do you who moderate maintain some personal control?  It's "way beyond grade" for me, and the reason I seldom post here any more.

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joisey, this is getting oh so typical.   I personally am very happy that you and dewy are friends.  I am also happy that you do not share his extreme liberal views.
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Real - And I am happy that you have friends who share your views.  I do not think that gives you the right to vilify those who disagree with your politics.   Of course I do not possess the arrogance that would allow me to think that my approval would be important to you.
No, I am not as absolute as is Dewey when it comes to Obama or to certain issues, particularly handling of tax monies and blue and white collar welfare (I thought the Bush Jr administration gave credence to a friend's complaint - "If I vote Republican, they give my money to wealthy people.  If I vote Democrat they give my money to poor and wealthy people").  Despite what wealthy people say, I do think that distribution of wealth is a huge problem in our nation.  I'm beyond fine so don't go there.                                                                                                                    

Of course our government isn't all about money (there is an ideology in there somewhere, usually in reference to an 18th century document when it is convenient to do so), but it would seem so in many debates. In any case, my complaints are not about political parties except when they create a logjam that impedes management of my nation.  My complaints are about the SYSTEM of elections and government that has our economic system vying for power with our governmental system, and the power principle that comes from "purchasing the white house and a senator or congressman".  Corrupt !!!!!  That is my complaint.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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thanks joisey, I do take your writings to heart and know you mean well.  

No one has ever vilified you or your posts, there must be a reason.  Also, you are wrong that I do not have a right to vilify those I disagree with.  I most certainly do.  We (you and I) discussed on many other threads that life has changed in America, we do vilify our enemies now and there is nothing you can do to put the genie back in the bottle.  

Have a take, stand your ground and defend your principles, that is what you are saying.  If you show yourself to be of one way, as you believe I have shown of myself, then label me. Which you often do.
 If dewy shows himself to be one way and that is the way my friends in the hood and I would label dewy then so be it, until he proves otherwise.  He proves by his words what type of American he is, one that I would not communicate with in real life.  His constant NEED to defend barack hussein tells me all I need to know about him.

Now back to the dewy pity party, I got's to go

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Someone is living a "sheltered life" (me and my friends feel this way) and sincerely accusing others of living a "sheltered life".  


JG, I do need to address this little jab however.  

When one states continually that they are amazed, flabbergasted, puzzled, bewildered, confused over members in this forum, or any of those other 1,200 confusing type words that dewy uses on a daily basis then one could only think he was "sheltered".  It is only by dewy's constant state of amazement about things that I myself know much about that leads me to believe he is "sheltered".  I can only go by the words that he writes.  He stays in a state of self admitted utter confusion, sounded "sheltered" to me from his enclave nestled in the heart of socal.

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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kir, I understand your zeal.  I've pointed out several times where I believe this administration and Congress have openly lied to the people of this country.  I haven't shied away from that at all.  I've also done my best to present some "evidence," for lack of a better word, to support my positions.  However, I think you and I differ because you see someone with my approach as non committal to a cause or maybe even a "lurker" in the cause.  Again understandable.  I see myself as one who is trying to reason with others who have the same and opposing views.  IMO, one has to understand that none of us can force our opinions upon others via this medium.  I do think we can hurt our cause.  Any person that would be swayed one way or the other is looking for rational thought, good evidence, and a reasonable presentation.  Someone further left or right won't care.  

kir, as I often tell everyone, I am an "ex expert."  So, these are my thoughts.  As I've often read to my classes, "I am only one but I am one.  I can't do everything but  can do something.  What I can do, I should do and by the Grace of God I will do."  So, our cause, imo, is the same.  Our approach different.  


Edited to add:

As an FYI, I really don't believe anyone is reading any of these opinions looking to be swayed and so, these are just ramblings that help us give our opinions.  I also don't believe that the masses check in.  In my dealings with the two websites that I moderate, which are two of the top websites for their interests (baseball) in America, I'd suggest that we don't have that volume.  

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Originally Posted by CoachB25
  I see myself as one who is trying to reason with others who have the same and opposing views.  IMO, one has to understand that none of us can force our opinions upon others via this medium.  I do think we can hurt our cause.  Any person that would be swayed one way or the other is looking for rational thought, good evidence, and a reasonable presentation.  Someone further left or right won't care.  




CoachB - Very well said and I wish you all the luck in the world in persuading others to follow suit.  I do think you're in the majority among Conservatives but they're mostly in withdrawal.
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Coach, I wished I could have answered your response that was addressed to me but again, the buttinski struck again.

"So, our cause, imo, is the same.  Our approach different."

All I can do is agree with you.  I will leave here as I entered, in the end, none of it matters.  Good day sir.

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kir, make no mistake, I am really worried about the world we are leaving for my child.  I am really worried that there is an effort to circumvent the Constitution of the United States of America.  I am really worried the the values I hold dear are being threatened.  I know the same is true for you.
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