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Serious question:  Have the main ESPN softball announcing crews EVER said on the air "NCAA softball needs instant replay. Baseball has instant replay. Is this 1970? Why has the NCAA not provided the same quality of resources for softball as for baseball?"


Not that I've heard. 
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What happened?


Reynoso made an amazing throw but the runner was clearly safe. Got called for the 1st out of the inning.
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Reynoso made an amazing throw but the runner was clearly safe. Got called for the 1st out of the inning.


Thanks
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Yes she was safe by at least a step. I'm not sure how that play would have effected the rest of the game because ocasio only gave up 2 total hits. South Carolina played excellent tonight but there are just players you can't open the door to to get a huge hit. great game all around and I look forward to see how far both teams advance in the NCAA tournament.
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NCAA has toyed with multiple ways to shorten the game at the behest of ESPN to keep it marketable. It got a bit ugly with the time out crud from coaches like Meyers and Torina a few years back and the games started going past the 2 hour mark too often. That was why a conference or two took part in a beta test last year with multiple new rules put in play to control time spent on time outs, team huddles, etc. As little as just a few years ago, teams were still throwing the ball around the infield after every out and every K (no longer allowed). While i may agree with using replay in the system, it would surprise me if NCAA and ESPN decided to use it as it would lengthen the game that they’ve been trying to shorten.
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Lorenz man. She does it again. She will be an all timer when shes done. 
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While i may agree with using replay in the system, it would surprise me if NCAA and ESPN decided to use it as it would lengthen the game that they’ve been trying to shorten.
If the calls that went against Cal, UCLA, Washington and Oregon last year in the postseason went against Florida, Alabama, LSU and Georgia instead, replay would be in OKC before the WCWS was over.

Baseball, a terminal 3:15 long in college, has replay in the regular season onward. That excuse-making doesn't hold logical water.

I come back to one thing: buses

That idiotic, nickel-rubbing, bracket-purity-polluting rule because they are too cheap.

And, Smith and Mowins not saying a word about it after each BUTCHERED call, makes them loiok idiotic and in on it.

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It may not hold water, but they have ACTIVELY been looking for ways to keep our game under two hours in the last few years and replay does not fit in to that scenario.
I will also repeat myself from a few years back with all the weird props in the dugout and say (even though it depresses me) that we can not compare ourselves with baseball. As popular as we are (especially in our own circles), we have not achieved their status yet and therefore do not get the same luxuries. It is unfortunate, but accurate.
Lastly, didn’t you just say on the other thread “the bus rule” and proximity isn’t a thing? Are you saying that it’s only a consideration for regionals and not for supers?
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Are you saying that it’s only a consideration for regionals and not for supers?
Yes
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It may not hold water, but they have ACTIVELY been looking for ways to keep our game under two hours in the last few years and replay does not fit in to that scenario.
Also, with 2 1/2-hour splits in OKC, it is really a poor excuse to not have it even just at the WCWS
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Lorenz man. She does it again. She will be an all timer when shes done. 


To have any chance to beat Florida, you simply must not get into situations where you have to pitch to Lorenz. That especially means making hitters 8-9-1 etc hit their way on. No walks, HBP. You have to be able to pitch around Lorenz and also Dewitt. Make the other 7 beat you. Easier said than done, of course. Yet, it's amazing the way so many opponents fail in that.

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To have any chance to beat Florida, you simply must not get into situations where you have to pitch to Lorenz. That especially means making hitters 8-9-1 etc hit their way on. No walks, HBP. You have to be able to pitch around Lorenz and also Dewitt. Make the other 7 beat you. Easier said than done, of course. Yet, it's amazing the way so many opponents fail in that.



Most of the time you can say it, you can know it, your pitcher and your whole team can know it ... but you can't do it. But you are correct. You let a couple get on base right before Lorenz comes up, and you WILL lose.  
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It may not hold water, but they have ACTIVELY been looking for ways to keep our game under two hours in the last few years and replay does not fit in to that scenario. I will also repeat myself from a few years back with all the weird props in the dugout and say (even though it depresses me) that we can not compare ourselves with baseball. As popular as we are (especially in our own circles), we have not achieved their status yet and therefore do not get the same luxuries. It is unfortunate, but accurate. Lastly, didn’t you just say on the other thread “the bus rule” and proximity isn’t a thing? Are you saying that it’s only a consideration for regionals and not for supers?




Every sport that has implemented replay has had an element of folks who argued that it would lengthen games and other lame arguments, sometimes for years. Every sport that has replay is clearly better for having done it. Softball needs replay. Softball deserves replay and must demand replay. That is far more important "quality of the sport" issue than some baseball men saying stuff about props in the dugout and thinking (for some reason) that softball should aspire to be more like baseball and softball players should act more like males. All wrong, wrong. 

By the way, softball has more scholarships than baseball, and has better TV ratings than baseball, especially the NCAAT and WCWS as compared to the same for baseball. Your comment that we "have not achieved their status yet and therefore do not get the same luxuries" is condescending, wrong, and dripping with sexist notions. Softball does not and should not aspire to be baseball. 
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Most of the time you can say it, you can know it, your pitcher and your whole team can know it ... but you can't do it. But you are correct. You let a couple get on base right before Lorenz comes up, and you WILL lose.  


There's an intimidation factor as well. Opponents expect the Gators will rally. You can see the fear in their body language. Missouri is three outs from a signature win and what happens? They hit Hoover, the 8 or 9 hitter, to lead off the inning, and it's all the juice Florida needs. They're great, but they also capitalize on the doubts of their opponents. Hats off to them.

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There's an intimidation factor as well. Opponents expect the Gators will rally. You can see the fear in their body language. Missouri is three outs from a signature win and what happens? They hit Hoover, the 8 or 9 hitter, to lead off the inning, and it's all the juice Florida needs. They're great, but they also capitalize on the doubts of their opponents. Hats off to them.




Oklahoma has the same intimidation factor. That's a hallmark of a program that dominates for a period of years. 
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Oklahoma has the same intimidation factor. That's a hallmark of a program that dominates for a period of years. 


Agree. Oklahoma had no business rallying from 6 runs down to beat Wichita State. But once WSU gave the Sooners an opening, the Shockers folded up like a cheap lawn chair. If the Shockers get assigned to Norman, they'll be thinking about that. It'll either put a chip on the shoulder that's useful our it'll feed doubt, which will not be useful.

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Every sport that has implemented replay has had an element of folks who argued that it would lengthen games and other lame arguments, sometimes for years. Every sport that has replay is clearly better for having done it. Softball needs replay. Softball deserves replay and must demand replay. That is far more important "quality of the sport" issue than some baseball men saying stuff about props in the dugout and thinking (for some reason) that softball should aspire to be more like baseball and softball players should act more like males. All wrong, wrong. 

By the way, softball has more scholarships than baseball, and has better TV ratings than baseball, especially the NCAAT and WCWS as compared to the same for baseball. Your comment that we "have not achieved their status yet and therefore do not get the same luxuries" is condescending, wrong, and dripping with sexist notions. Softball does not and should not aspire to be baseball. 


My friend and fellow fan, you are arguing with the wrong party. I would like to see replay used. I didn’t have dog in the fight, but would have loved to see how the game would have progressed had the call at first last night been made correctly (or corrected through instant replay) giving USC the leadoff runner aboard and bringing the tying run to the plate if for no other reason, than the integrity of our game. Im merely attempting to answer the question people keep posing on this board as to why instant replay isn’t being used. I never said that i agree with it.

As to your second point, people try to consistently compare our sport to what baseball does. About twice a year, my husband (who played minor league ball) and i talk about the fact that if i had been in baseball instead of softball and achieved what i achieved, we would have been millionaires. It’s not sexism, friend; It’s dollars. And it’s reality. Until softball commands the same amount of $$$ in support that baseball does, we don’t get to live comparatively. No one is more sorry about that than me, boss. But it is the way the world works. Ratings help. Ratings are why we are on TV the way we are (it wasn’t always like this). But until every softball loving shmo puts their $$ where their mouth is and supports EVERY type of fast pitch (including and especially the NPF) and those who can, do more than just buy a ticket to put real dollars in play when talking about fastpitch, the reality is that we do not get to live equally.
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Agree. Oklahoma had no business rallying from 6 runs down to beat Wichita State. But once WSU gave the Sooners an opening, the Shockers folded up like a cheap lawn chair. If the Shockers get assigned to Norman, they'll be thinking about that. It'll either put a chip on the shoulder that's useful our it'll feed doubt, which will not be useful.
Any self-respecting media member would have GRILLED that Wichita State coach, who soiled the game much worse than Missouri ever did this year
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