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3leftturns

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Illegal as she is, Barnhill is still a beast no matter what.
well, yes. stats don't lie
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<< But let me ask you - why was she never called for it all last year (to my recollection) and I watched all televised games as well as listened to those that weren't? >> (ufjaz)

It is obvious that the umpires (as a group) have been informed to NOT CALL her illegal.
I believe this has come down from someone in power in the NCAA (and it may also have to do with SEC and/or ESPN officials who didn't want those illegal pitches called). Someone has made the choice - and the umpires have been told to NOT CALL it. 

You can go ahead and think that anyone who believes this is making a "weak excuse" or "doesn't know how the world works" or it is "just lazy"...
but that is almost surely what is going on. EVERY umpire would not follow suit... unless they have been instructed, as a group, to not make that particular call. There would surely be some percentage of the umpires who had the knowledge and/or the guts to make that call - IF THEY WERE ALLOWED to make it. They are clearly NOT allowed to make it.

<< I've not heard anyone of authority comment on KB or why she is not called.  Has anybody heard a comment from an authority figure? >> (ofjaz)

Mike White went on record nationally during the WCWS declaring that something needs to be done about it not being called. And he wasn't the only well regarded official softball figure who complained about the situation - and the need for it to be changed. They may not have said an official "why" it hasn't been called... but they have officially said that it should be called - and a change is needed. 

BTW... I would love to hear Mike White say WHY he thinks it hasn't been called.
That would be a fun interview. 
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<< Barnhill is definitely illegal when she gets air. She is technically illegal with her pivot foot landing, but doesn't really gain a second point of impetus. It is a continuation of her forward motion and will not be called. If she pushed off again from that point, she would land her stride foot much closer to or on the circle. >> (Fresh)

Sorry to break this to you, but... 
her lead foot does land right next to (and on the circle) many times - and I have even seen her toes land beyond the circle. 
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<< But let me ask you - why was she never called for it all last year (to my recollection) and I watched all televised games as well as listened to those that weren't? >> (ufjaz)

It is obvious that the umpires (as a group) have been informed to NOT CALL her illegal.
I believe this has come down from someone in power in the NCAA (and it may also have to do with SEC and/or ESPN officials who didn't want those illegal pitches called). Someone has made the choice - and the umpires have been told to NOT CALL it. 

You can go ahead and think that anyone who believes this is making a "weak excuse" or "doesn't know how the world works" or it is "just lazy"...
but that is almost surely what is going on. EVERY umpire would not follow suit... unless they have been instructed, as a group, to not make that particular call. There would surely be some percentage of the umpires who had the knowledge and/or the guts to make that call - IF THEY WERE ALLOWED to make it. They are clearly NOT allowed to make it.

<< I've not heard anyone of authority comment on KB or why she is not called.  Has anybody heard a comment from an authority figure? >> (ofjaz)

Mike White went on record nationally during the WCWS declaring that something needs to be done about it not being called. And he wasn't the only well regarded official softball figure who complained about the situation - and the need for it to be changed. They may not have said an official "why" it hasn't been called... but they have officially said that it should be called - and a change is needed. 

BTW... I would love to hear Mike White say WHY he thinks it hasn't been called.
That would be a fun interview. 


What would have been fun is if Oregon had gotten to play UF. All hell would have broken loose because White was going to challenge every pitch. Refer back U.K. vs Oregon.
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Still wish Bama would've gotten past Florida in 2011. No doubt they would have take down ASU imo


LOL

16-2, 9-2 over 2 games yet they would've beaten ASU?
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LOL

16-2, 9-2 over 2 games yet they would've beaten ASU?


Florida Had also seen Dunne 1,000 times over her career. And LOL....isn’t that how badly the gators got beaten by ASU?
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Florida Had also seen Dunne 1,000 times over her career. And LOL....isn’t that how badly the gators got beaten by ASU?


14-4 7-2 I believe. So, 21-6 vs ASU

Bama lost 25-4 to Florida over 2 games. When it's that bad of a beatdown, a few runs here or there are insignificant - you're right.

What made Dunne and Traina a better combo against ASU than Brombacher and Rogers?

Answer: nothing, except that Brombacher was coming back from midseason injury. Not that Bama could do much against her. 

Florida's offense was on another level than Bama's at that point.

Ridiculous presumption.
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14-4 7-2 I believe. So, 21-6 vs ASU

Bama lost 25-4 to Florida over 2 games. When it's that bad of a beatdown, a few runs here or there are insignificant - you're right.

What made Dunne and Traina a better combo against ASU than Brombacher and Rogers?

Answer: nothing, except that Brombacher was coming back from midseason injury. Not that Bama could do much against her. 

Florida's offense was on another level than Bama's at that point.

Ridiculous presumption.


Brom was not 100%. If she hadve been that may have made a difference. I think Dunne would’ve really given Escobedo a run for her money with her own deadly rise ball, which is essentially as she threw against anyone. Traina>Rogers at that point in their career until their senior year imo. Rogers locked down her senior year and went to another dimension.
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I'll have to disagree with Traina > Rogers during their freshman year. Rogers was Florida's ace due to Brom's injury and carried that responsibility well. Traina owned the middle years and Rogers shined her senior season as you said. 
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I'll have to disagree with Traina > Rogers during their freshman year. Rogers was Florida's ace due to Brom's injury and carried that responsibility well. Traina owned the middle years and Rogers shined her senior season as you said. 


I think you can only really say that because we didn’t see what Traina could do because she was behind Dunne. When we saw what she could do, she owned it. Rogers was incredible in her career. She was especially awesome her senior season.
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Traina was more dominant pre-senior year, by far
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Traina was more dominant pre-senior year, by far


Agreed
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I think you can only really say that because we didn’t see what Traina could do because she was behind Dunne. When we saw what she could do, she owned it. Rogers was incredible in her career. She was especially awesome her senior season.
Let's not revise history, though.... Gators fans were all over her until pretty much the Orlando event of her senior year
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Let's not revise history, though.... Gators fans were all over her until pretty much the Orlando event of her senior year


Not revising history. Just saying that Rogers was in fact a force in the circle throughout her career. She grew into being dominant by her senior year, but was always a key factor to the gators. However, I think Traina was always dominant, and just needed to come from behind Dunne to show that where as Hannah didn’t have to wait.
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I hear ya. But, it was a little irritating how spoiled Gators fans would whine... kvetching about how much contact she pitched to... until April of her senior year
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Wasn't Rogers the lady who switched from FSU to UF the night before signing day?  
3leftturns

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I have heard that.

If...IF...that is true, whose schollys got nuked?

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Random question, if Hannah had decided to go to FSU, do you believe she would have lead fsu to a national championship her senior year like she did uf?
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I have heard that.

If...IF...that is true, whose schollys got nuked?



Can you imagine a staff with Waldrop, Burroughs, and Rogers? MY GOD
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Random question, if Hannah had decided to go to FSU, do you believe she would have lead fsu to a national championship her senior year like she did uf?
They got shut out by Hawkins in the WCWS opener that year, and then Hannah shut out Oregon.... so, that first game might still be going on.
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Hannah was a four time All American. It’s not like she just had one good season or postseason.
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Hannah was a four time All American. It’s not like she just had one good season or postseason.


You’re exactly right, and I’ve said she was a force for her entire career. Just comparing her to Traina.
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Hannah was a four time All American. It’s not like she just had one good season or postseason.
Whatever... UF fans were whining about her the whole time till midway through senior year
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What would have been fun is if Oregon had gotten to play UF. All hell would have broken loose because White was going to challenge every pitch. Refer back U.K. vs Oregon.


WA was going to do that until their pitching coach got thrown out. Of course, they didn't get Barnhill so couldn't very well complain about her pitching illegally.
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WA was going to do that until their pitching coach got thrown out. Of course, they didn't get Barnhill so couldn't very well complain about her pitching illegally.
Roberts got tossed?
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Arkansas swept a double header in Bogle tonight from OK State, 3-2 in game 1, and 13-1 in game 2. And I believe that’s without Storms, who is still rehabbing after hip surgery this summer. Nice performance from the Hogs.
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Arkansas swept a double header in Bogle tonight from OK State, 3-2 in game 1, and 13-1 in game 2. And I believe that’s without Storms, who is still rehabbing after hip surgery this summer. Nice performance from the Hogs.


Wow that is good
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Roberts got tossed?


No, no, WA thought they were going to get KB. Roberts was going to hound the umps about KB being illegal until he got thrown out but never got the chance since they got Gourley instead. 
3leftturns

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Both Kiwis got cut off at the pass....lol
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Both Kiwis got cut off at the pass....lol


Yes [smile] 
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