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DJPort2008

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Assuming Kavanaugh gets confirmed, what will happen to gay marriage?


Like Roe, I don't see the legalization of same-sex marriage getting overturned.  What I could see happening is more rulings in favor of private businesses that don't want to serve those ceremonies (like the recent baker case).
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Assuming Kavanaugh gets confirmed, what will happen to gay marriage?


Like Roe, I don't see the legalization of same-sex marriage getting overturned.  What I could see happening is more rulings in favor of private businesses that don't want to serve those ceremonies (like the recent baker case).


That's fine because I absolutely reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, and always will.
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Since a lot of Congress appears upset at Trump over the recent Russia conference, could that derail Kavanaugh's confirmation?
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Pretty much depends on congressional republicans.  While there are some that would love to poke Trump in the eye, I don't see them creating any significant momentum against this nominee. 

Trump is pretty much following the American Conservative Union who has been very active in conservative lawyers and judges for  a long time.   Having ACUs support pretty much means conservatives will be on board.

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I could see that happening because most Republican members of Congress are idiots.
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Some of the most vocal Senators are ones who are always vocal about trump.

I can't believe they'd scuttle a guy who seems to be a good pick. 

And, they are following the Federalist Society. 

The ACU carries orange pompoms, led by Matt Schlapp, yet another huckster in the Schlitz with no convictions.  But hey, his wife got a nice gig in the WH.
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Some of the most vocal Senators are ones who are always vocal about trump.

I can't believe they'd scuttle a guy who seems to be a good pick. 

And, they are following the Federalist Society. 

The ACU carries orange pompoms, led by Matt Schlapp, yet another huckster in the Schlitz with no convictions.  But hey, his wife got a nice gig in the WH.

You are correct, Federalist Society. 

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So there's a decent chance he still gets confirmed?
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Depends on Murkowski and Collins. McCain is done, but Manchin and possibly another Democrat may seal the deal. I expect Murkowski may cave in the end. Collins votes with the Dems so often, she needs to just switch to the Dems, or run as an Independent. I guess being a Republican in an openly Liberal state is like walking a tightrope. 
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Even if a few defect, Heitkamp, Manchin and Donnelly all voted for Gorsuch.  All from states Trump won.

Might have been doing so after they knew which way the vote was headed, but all three could be flipped.

My prediction is he will make it.
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if not it will be a rocket fast to the next candidate on the Federalist Societies list.  no way they block 2.  Part of the reason Kennedy pulled the trigger so early.  
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Will any of the few Democrat Senators who voted for Gorsuch be willing to vote for Kavanaugh?
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This could go under so many different topics




http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/25/james-gunn-brett-kavanaugh-illustrate-lefts-disregard-playing-rules/



When a progressive like Gunn gets fired for bad tweets, the Right generally divides into two groups. The first group tends to oppose social media mobs scalp-collecting on principle. This position seeks to live by the “old rules,” under which the world of work is a more separate and less politicized sphere.

The second group expresses regret over the dismissal, but concludes it is a necessary evil to make progressives live by the “new rules” they are establishing. This latter position basically adopts one of the “rules” from leftist organizer Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

The problem with this second approach is that the Right generally does not consider what that “rule” means in the broader context of what Alinsky and the New New Left think about rules. Specifically, the Right tends to gloss over the extent to which progressives do not much care about the idea of rules.

Enter Kavanaugh. He is advertised as being from the school of judge as umpire, calling balls and strikes as cases come before him. This is exactly what progressives do not like about him, and those in the field of critical legal studies will go further to complain that law is simply a form of politics benefitting the privileged.


This attitude manifested in the Democrats’ opposition to Justice Neil Gorsuch. The attacks against him tended to focus on his failure to reach Democrats’ politically desired outcomes, regardless of whether Gorsuch had properly applied the relevant law to reach the decisions they did not like.

The progressive position, stated baldly, is a radical one but so long-asserted and sugar-coated that it no longer shocks. Progressives have been advancing the concept of the “living Constitution” since the days of Woodrow Wilson. Law professors have rationalized the New Deal transformation of the federal government’s enumerated powers as a “constitutional moment” that obviated the need for the pesky amendment process. They overtly argue that progressivism is incompatible with much of the Constitution, including the First Amendment, in part because our government is ostensibly devoted to rules of neutral application.

Progressives are getting comfortable with hostility to not only constitutional rights, but also the constitutional structure of our government. Did progressives lose a vote? We must abolish the Senate. Did progressives lose an election? We must abolish theElectoral College. Is divided government blocking the progressive agenda? We must adopt a parliamentary system.

A movement with so little regard for our supreme law cannot be expected to have any more regard for ordinary laws regarding subjects like immigration, health care, or the size of the Supreme Court. It certainly cannot be expected to grant much weight to the more informal rules and norms of bourgeois society. Indeed, a movement that has concluded America is based on plunder and perpetuating white supremacy cannot be expected to have much regard for it generally, and not much interest in the normal rules and compromises of the political process.

The segment of the Right persuaded by Alinsky that someone like Gunn losing a job will ultimately cause progressives to play by the “old rules” tend to miss this larger context. Alinsky’s demand that his enemies follow their own rules never had much to do with getting his targets to abandon some bad rule or double-standard. Rather, progressives tend to view the adherence to rules as a weakness to be exploited in advancing their agenda.

Put another way, the progressive left operates similarly to an apocryphal quote from Frank Herbert’s “Children of Dune”: “When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.” The only twist is that the latter “principles” are always evolving, requiring a culture of apologies and political reeducation.

Thus, the notion that the Left will be made to play by its rules is misguided at this basic level. The non-Left tends to understand our society, politics, and institutions as reflecting a system that operates by rules. Meanwhile, the Left is skipping merrily on to the next round of Calvinball. Any demand that they play by their rules rests upon an essentially false premise.

If the non-Left fails to fight for not only particular rules of civilized social interactions (e.g., against social mobs), but also the idea that rules matter, sooner or later society will abandon the idea that rules have value. And that is what the Left really wants in the long run.


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Wikipedia said the hearings will be September or October, before the midterms.
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It's from Wikipedia for what it's worth, but it says the hearings will be on September 4.
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Bringing this back to the top as the Kavanaugh confirmation process kicks off tomorrow.

Red State Dems find themselves heavily pressured to vote for Kavanaugh.  Their constituents are showing signs of dumping them and this looks to be a capper.  Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Clare McCaskill of Missouri. 

I say they confirm on the first vote.

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It'll be a contentious first week but yes they'll confirm.  Schumer will puff and posture, CNN will be in high EMO as will the libtards in this forum.  Will be a fun week
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We need a Schumer drinking game.
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It's started, 

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/bill-clinton-supreme-court-nominees/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=criticalimpact&utm_campaign=TPI_Sunday_Newsletter_9_2_2018&utm_content=7831c5a21ef1f424a6473c7b9fa19141&source=CI

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Of course, the same Senators who were refusing to meet Kavanaugh wouldn’t vote for his confirmation anyway. And despite the massive paper trail Kavanaugh has from the Bush White House and the Clinton-Lewinsky investigation, Democrat researchers just haven’t been able to find that one “smoking gun” to derail the nomination. Therefore, calling for a delay because of investigations involving President Trump is their final hope.
 


 

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Will AZ's governor be able to get McCain's replacement in the Senate in time for the vote?
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No and he won't need it
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30 seconds in and Kamala Harris kicks off her 2020 Presidential run
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And now they have moved to adjourn 
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Multiple people standing up and screaming, and of course CNN shows them.
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Cory Booker not letting Harris steal the spotlight
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Seriously, clear the room.  Why can't people let the governmental process go on without interruption.  Completely un-American
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They don't want to govern, they want to posture, much like duaine and his freshyturd
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Lock 'em up.........
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Did republicans shout down the chairman during the Kagan hearings?  I can't remember.

They should clear the room of everyone so our duly elected leaders can do their jobs.
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No they did not.  Republicans are always civil.  Often way to civil.  Until Trump, and that is why the left hate him so much, he punches back. 
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