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Stretch

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When living off campus, is there a NCAA maximum allowable stipend for meal and housing at the DI level that differs from on campus housing and meal plan?

Or is it at the discretion of the coach / university?
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No way the NCAA would leave something monetary to the "coaches discretion"...otherwise every 5* Alabama football player would be driving a new Dodge Charger...oh, wait...
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When living off campus, is there a NCAA maximum allowable stipend for meal and housing at the DI level that differs from on campus housing and meal plan?

Or is it at the discretion of the coach / university?


In general, the university has an office that sets housing and meal stipends are based around the cost of living on campus. Housing stipends are usually set either by taking an average of all the dorm costs or by just paying the highest form rate. If the school has large budgets then they usually go with what will give the kids the most money. If the school has a smaller budget they will go with a number that's cheaper for them. Another factor for housing stipends is the average apartment cost in the area. Missoula, MT is obviously going to be cheaper than Kennesaw, GA. So even though the kid at Kennesaw State may get more $$$ then the kid at Montana but in the end the kid at Kennesaw is going to end up paying more.
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I would belive they are the same. Whatever "cost basis" the university applies to dorm and meals is the same amount given as payment. If you live cheaper on your own then money in your pocket
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What the player (Yes, my daughter) is being told is that the max for off campus is less than on campus and that the NCAA does not allow scholarships to cover fees. I am just trying to find out if it is regulated by NCAA or not.

There was supposedly no reduction or change in writing by July 1 (I did find on the NCAA site that changes have to be in writing by July 1), but now the numbers don't add up.
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15
FINANCIAL AID
15.2.2.1
Room and Board Stipend.
An institution may provide the student-athlete an amount equal to the
institution’s official on-campus room allowance as listed in its catalog, the average of the room costs of all of its
students living on campus or the cost of room as calculated based on its policies and procedures for calculating
the cost of attendance for all students. The institution also may provide the student-athlete an amount that is
equivalent to the value of the maximum meal plan that is available to all students or the cost of meals as calcu-
lated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students, excluding those
meals provided as part of the training table. Meals provided on the training table shall be deducted at the regular
cost figure from such a student-athlete’s board allowance.
(Revised: 1/10/92, 11/12/97, 10/28/99 effective 8/1/00,
4/27/06 effective 8/1/06, 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)
15.2.2.1.1
Determination of Off-Campus Room Rates.
An institution with several official on-cam-
pus room rates listed in its catalog may use the average of the room cost for all students living on campus
(based on a weighted average for all students who reside in on-campus facilities) or the cost of room as cal-
culated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students.
(Revised:
11/12/97, 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06
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What the player (Yes, my daughter) is being told is that the max for off campus is less than on campus and that the NCAA does not allow scholarships to cover fees. I am just trying to find out if it is regulated by NCAA or not.

They are allowed to cover required institutional fees, which are quite common at state schools. Here are the applicable bylaws from the new D-I Manual (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf):

15.2.1 Tuition and Fees. An institution may provide a student-athlete financial aid that includes the actual cost of tuition and required institutional fees.
15.2.1.1 Permissible Fees. A student-athlete may be awarded financial aid that covers the payment of fees for a course in which the student-athlete is enrolled, if the course is part of the institution’s regular curriculum (included in the institution’s catalog of classes), and the institution pays these same fees for other students enrolled in the course who receive fees as a part of a grant-in-aid or scholarship.
15.2.1.2 Optional Fees. An institution may not pay fees for services offered on an optional basis to the student body in general.
15.2.1.3 Noninstitutional Fees and Expenses. Fees paid by an institution are confined to required institutional fees and do not include noninstitutional fees or expenses (e.g., the cost of typing reports for student-athletes).

15.2.2.1 Room and Board Stipend. An institution may provide the student-athlete an amount equal to the institution’s official on-campus room allowance as listed in its catalog, the average of the room costs of all of its students living on campus or the cost of room as calculated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students. The institution also may provide the student-athlete an amount that is equivalent to the value of the maximum meal plan that is available to all students or the cost of meals as calculated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students, excluding those meals provided as part of the training table. Meals provided on the training table shall be deducted at the regular cost figure from such a student-athlete’s board allowance. (Revised: 1/10/92, 11/12/97, 10/28/99 effective 8/1/00, 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06, 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)
15.2.2.1.1 Determination of Off-Campus Room Rates. An institution with several official on-campus room rates listed in its catalog may use the average of the room cost for all students living on campus (based on a weighted average for all students who reside in on-campus facilities) or the cost of room as calculated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students. (Revised: 11/12/97, 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06)
15.2.2.1.2 Institution With No On-Campus Room and Board Facilities. If an institution does not provide an official dollar amount for room and board in its catalog and does not have on-campus student room and board facilities, the figure provided to student-athletes for off-campus student room and board shall be the amount determined by the institution’s office of financial aid as being commensurate with the average cost a student at that institution normally would incur living and eating in off-campus facilities. (Revised: 11/12/97)
15.2.2.1.3 Married Student Housing. ... 
15.2.2.1.4 Cost-Free Apartment. It is permissible for the institution to arrange for a cost-free, offcampus apartment rather than to give a student-athlete an amount equal to the institution’s official room allowance (as listed in its catalog) or the cost of a room as calculated based on its policies and procedures for calculating the cost of attendance for all students, provided the apartment is not rented by the institution at a reduced rate. However, if the actual rental rate is more than the institutional room allowance, the student-athlete shall pay the additional amount from the student-athlete’s own resources. (Revised: 4/27/06 effective 8/1/06)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stretch
What the player (Yes, my daughter) is being told is that the max for off campus is less than on campus and that the NCAA does not allow scholarships to cover fees. I am just trying to find out if it is regulated by NCAA or not.

There was supposedly no reduction or change in writing by July 1 (I did find on the NCAA site that changes have to be in writing by July 1), but now the numbers don't add up.


A couple of things here....

1. It sounds like maybe the school is giving an off-campus housing stipend that is the average of all the dorm costs which could be less then a more expensive dorm she lived in last year. IF this is what's happening it's bad form for the coach not to tell you but likely legal.

2. Scholarships CAN cover normal fees as has been pointed out. However, there are some special class/lab fees that in some cases are not allowed to be covered and in some cases the school may choose not to cover.

3. As far as changes/reductions made before July 1 you are correct. ALL student-athletes who receive ANY athletic financial aid are required to receive a letter detailing their upcoming scholarship before July 1. They must be signed by the student-athlete and returned to the compliance office before any athletic scholarship monies can be awarded. If your daughter is over 18 then you do not need to sign. So I would start by asking your daughter what she signed and if she says she didn't sign anything then ask compliance to see a copy of her signed aid agreement.

While there may be an overall reduction in dollars awarded, it is possible what has happened is perfectly legal as long as the percentages stayed the same. Figuring percentages for athletic scholarships can be a very tricky thing, even for coaches. Do NOT go by the numbers listed on the school's admissions page. The athletic scholarship amounts for housing and food are likely going to be different because of the way they calculate everything. Sometimes even the tuition costs can be slightly different. At the school I work at we have slightly different numbers depending on if you are in-state or out of state, on campus or off campus.

The best thing to do would be to ask your compliance office for a scholarship cost breakdown for her residency status and on campus versus off campus.
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Here's the deal. A kid gets a full scholarship. They do not seek housing on campus. They get a refund check that they can use to cover housing elsewhere. End of story
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It's not really a refund check since you didn't pay in advance and the premise would apply to most all, not just full scholarship athletes
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There the NCAA rules, and there are reality.  Coaches often live within the tight guidelines set by the Athletic Department.  Especially softball coaches.  They may not distinguish to much from what the Department is saying and what is NCAA regulations.

Also coaches have their own idea of what they want for the team.  Some really want teams to eat evening meal together.  Some coaches insist that players live in on campus housing through their Junior year.  Honestly, that was just a part of getting a scholarship for us.  We accepted that even though a number of regular students would waiver to off campus in Junior year, that the coach would insist that they be on campus Junior year.   We did our homework and knew this was the case before we accepted the offer. 

So even though NCAA regs allow for something, it does not mean you will get that, without a fight, and you may find yourself on the coaches bad side.  

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Here's the deal. A kid gets a full scholarship. They do not seek housing on campus. They get a refund check that they can use to cover housing elsewhere. End of story


But the Off-Campus housing rate can be different than the On-campus rate.


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Sure can. If it's more than they pay the difference. If it's less they pocket the money.
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Here's some more information. I know of more than one public university that gives the team X dollars in scholarship money. The coach has the discretion to give  full or partial scholarships that are then converted into percentage of a full depending, on whether the kid is In State or Out of State. So when recruiting for that school, you give the family a dollar amount and then address what percentage that might be. You don't work from percentages because there are a finite amount of dollars in the pot. 
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I agree with Trudat.  Most schools have an amount of scholarship money they may give out.  Those percentages of this and that are just ways of describing how they are going to offer that money.

For example, my daughter was offered 40% out of state tuition her first year.  I thought that they would pay 40% of her tuition which might vary according to units taken or other factors.  When I inquired to the compliance offer why the numbers didn't match, I was told that they were giving x dollars and all that didn't matter.

I think the schools have to file a Cost of Attendance number to the NCAA which, for the rich schools, determines how many dollars they can give out.  My daughter went to a major school where they gave out the full 12.0 (then) scholarships.  I used to have the piece of paper which declared all of their official Cost of Attendance numbers with an offer written on the bottom.  It took me quite some time to understand the significance of Cost of Attendance.

Certainly they can give pay fees but sounds like they are saying they aren't.  It doesn't matter, they are really giving a certain amount of money, period.

The full ride kids and those that getting a percentage of housing get a check every month.

My daughter could not figure out why she didn't get a check.  Later when her scholarship was increased to a full athletic ride, she got a monthly check for living expenses.

The school was University of Oregon and it was a while back but I think the same principles apply.

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