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CoachB25

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I just listen to a discussion on California and their refusal to obey federal law with regards to illegal immigrants.  This then caused me to ask other questions. 

  • If we instituted a draft, would California be able to call themselves a sanctuary state and refuse to implement the draft or hold those draft dodgers for the Feds?
  • Since California says it is above federal law, what prevents it from allowing illegal aliens the vote?  Since they are above federal law, they can determine who gets a voting card.
  • Would Brown and his administration determine that California citizens have the right to boycott federal taxes and so, refuse to hold federal tax dodgers accountable?  
  • Can California official refuse to extradite criminals to other states?  
What is the line where California officials break federal laws and get arrested?

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I am not here to argue for the decision for California to be a 'Sanctuary State'.

However, every state that has legalized or decriminalized marijuana use is flying in the face of Federal law.

Your questions would apply to Colorado, Washington...I think you see my drift.

Despite my devil's argument above, my position on the issue remains,

WTF?

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California is clearly over the line.

ICE has proven to be smart and adaptive.  They have taken to automated searching of public court records, and matching that against their known illegals database.  Name pops up, they automatically forward their next court date to an agent.  Agent shows up to hearing, if court is release (bond hearing/etc), the capture him on the spot.  If the fugitive illegal is headed back to jail, they compare to immigration offense, if immigration offense is deemed greater, the trump the local charge and capture on the spot.

CA is suing Fed's to stop the above practice.  

Trump's ICE has gotten pretty good at getting the worst of the worst caught and pushed out the country.

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Originally Posted by BillSmith
I am not here to argue for the decision for California to be a 'Sanctuary State'.

However, every state that has legalized or decriminalized marijuana use is flying in the face of Federal law.

Your questions would apply to Colorado, Washington...I think you see my drift.

Despite my devil's argument above, my position on the issue remains,

WTF?


Bill of course you are correct and I could have asked the same of the others.  Naturally, with California officials coming out so boldly saying that they are not going to enforce federal immigration laws and one representative essentially saying to the federal government to "bring it on" I used California for this thread.  I recall many years ago when my wife and I went to Texas to have one of our mares bred to World Champion Zan Parr Bar, there was a conflict between Texas' practice of "flow of traffic" and the federal law of 55 mph speed limit.  If I remember correctly, the federal government withheld federal monies until Texas fell in line with federal mandates.  Of course that was a long time ago and I could be wrong on that.  



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CoachB25-

I can't verify it was Texas, but when the 55mph was enacted, the carrot was Federal road tax monies. Don't follow the Federal mandate of 55 mph and state was to receive no money for roads.

It was the wide open areas of country that took exception. Montana and Nevada, pre-55 limit, had no limits on rural highways.

The effort was supposed to reduce oil consumption. Believe the reduction was all of 1%. Don't know if that warranted the slow down.

Ancillary benefit was lower highway death rates.

Regarding this 'Sanctuary State' business. It just doesn't make any sense to me. None. Why are we condoning the practice of illegal immigration? Especially directing your law enforcers to...ignore law?

Proponents may sway my opinion. I'm all ears. Or eyes in this case.


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keepinitreal

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Maybe your friend dewy can answer that question, he's into California politics and illegal's rights and all
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DHS is talking with Federal prosecutors about bringing criminal charges against politicians that create and support sanctuary laws.
God I hope this happens here in Socialfornia.

Also as a F you to these idiot liberals they have announced in the coming weeks a massive, up to 1500 person, immigration sweep in the Bay Area. They have also forewarned that in their search for criminal illegals as well as those with final deportation orders other illegals maybe be swept up as collateral damage. Oopsie. Hope the 1500 doesn’t turn into 2000. I might shed a tear......of joy
I am down right giddy with this news and will take a one time exemption to the Friday night rule and
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The Federal gov't is specifically charged with defense against enemies of two flavors and border control. States of the Union must adhere to policy. Don't like it? Get in line, wait your turn at the Capitol Building.

Politicians grandstanding hoping to garner votes--err, represent their constituents--should be prepared to pay the ultimate price. Get handcuffed and carted off to jail as do all those that assert their conscience via civil disobedience.

My stupid state.

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Ya just can't fix stupid. It's just a matter of time before the political protesting. pontificating, and posturing meets reality in your home state. Everyone talks a mean game and uses it on the campaign trail. However, when you are spending more time in court than campaigning, eating into your campaign funds, and your state is losing Federal funds, reality hits you repeatedly upside the head.
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There are human rights issues that can rise above governmental rhetoric and knee jerk reaction to immigration. Some of you supported secession from the union as a states rights issue during the statue ordeal, but condemn sanctuary cities as treason. I'm really interested in how the marijuana battle will succeed. Marijuana is generally an accepted option to alcohol and creates fewer legal issues, if you take out arrests for possession and sales. Nobody gets smoked up in a bar and starts a fight. 
BTW, I should have included Woody in my list of people I respect here. He is probably more conservatively oriented to me than anyone I've ever met, but he is consistent and doesn't rely on lies and misleading information to make his points.

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keepinitreal

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'New California' campaign wants to create 51st state by splitting rural areas from coast

EX:

A campaign launched this week to create a 51st state by separating rural areas in California from the state's coastal cities and Sacramento, with supporters saying the state has become "ungovernable." 


The "New California" movement claims California is a failed state due to its high taxes and declining health care, among other things.

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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