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mikec

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I was just thinking - can cities declare themselves to be sanctuaries from all federal law, or only a few?

For example, could a city declare itself and its citizens free from:
- income tax
- Obamacare
- EPA regulations
- the new HUD rulemaking
- anything else they don't like

I mean, there's no penalty for doing it, evidently.

If I were mayor of a city, I would do it. I would declare my citizens free of any burdensome regulatory issues.  If they chose to participate voluntarily, so be it.  But, I would declare that they were not required to comply.

What say you?

Why not do it?

Could you do it in relation to state laws as well, or only federal ones?

I am thinking I may go to the City Council in my town and propose that they do it.  Of course, they are all bucking for higher office, so they may be too pansified to take a stand, but we'll see.

Maybe I'll start an online petition, to force them do something.
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mikec - If the Sheriff in your town learns the high school quarterback and the local scout leader were both brought into this Country when they were young, and are undocumented, I doubt your Sheriff will do anything about it.  If the law enforcement in your community find some high school kids sharing a joint, they may cite them or just give them a warning and let them go.  Finally, if the local sheriff learns the guy working at the gas station hasn't turned in a Federal tax return for two years, I doubt he'll get involved in any way, shape, or manner.  You see, there are many Federal laws where it's up to Federal officials to police and enforce, if they so choose, but where local law enforcement makes the decision not to waste resources doing if for them.
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Mike, it's up to the government to prosecute. With Obama in office, there will be no prosecutions, and the murders and rapes will continue unabated.


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With Obama in office, there will be no prosecutions, and the murders and rapes will continue unabated.


Can you imagine if I had written something as blatantly inaccurate as this?  Oh my.
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With Obama in office, there will be no prosecutions, and the murders and rapes will continue unabated.


Can you imagine if I had written something as blatantly inaccurate as this?  Oh my.


It's not inacurate. . But troll away, and we'll wait for the next innocent America to die or be raped by a liberal supported illegal immigrant. Sadly, we won't wait long.

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What if there was a federal order to transfer a guy to federal custody upon his release from prison, but the locals decided to ignore, turn him loose, and then he kills someone?

If you ignore one, why not another?  Why not exempt everyone in your town from Obamacare?

What's the difference?  The POTUS likes one law, but not another?
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mikec - I doubt the Feds are going to arrest a sitting Sheriff for a miscommunication between agencies, or a misunderstanding over what his obligation was in this matter.  I suspect city of SF will remind the Sheriff if ICE makes a request for a prisoner, give them the prisoner.  Additionally, the Sheriff had no way of knowing the released prisoner would be shooting another human being.
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mikec - I doubt the Feds are going to arrest a sitting Sheriff for a miscommunication between agencies, or a misunderstanding over what his obligation was in this matter.  I suspect city of SF will remind the Sheriff if ICE makes a request for a prisoner, give them the prisoner.  Additionally, the Sheriff had no way of knowing the released prisoner would be shooting another human being.


3 sentences, 100's of errors.  Not worth the effort.
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Hundreds...but, naturally, you can't identify a couple. 
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mikec - I doubt the Feds are going to arrest a sitting Sheriff for a miscommunication between agencies, or a misunderstanding over what his obligation was in this matter.  I suspect city of SF will remind the Sheriff if ICE makes a request for a prisoner, give them the prisoner.  Additionally, the Sheriff had no way of knowing the released prisoner would be shooting another human being.


Keen grasp of 'sanctuary city' there, Einstein.

You really are an honor to progressives everywhere.

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One member doesn't have it in them to provide what he believes to be more accurate information and another member implies there's more the reader should know but then stops there.  I feel a need to apologize to any reader out there who's being teased with the idea there's supposed different and more accurate information out there, than what I just posted, only to be left hanging with absolutely nothing at all presented.  Remember when you were kids and your sister or brother said "I know the answer but I'm not going to tell you"?   Didn't buy it back then, did you?
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One member doesn't have it in them to provide what he believes to be more accurate information and another member implies there's more the reader should know but then stops there.  I feel a need to apologize to any reader out there who's being teased with the idea there's supposed different and more accurate information out there, than what I just posted, only to be left hanging with absolutely nothing at all presented.  Remember when you were kids and your sister or brother said "I know the answer but I'm not going to tell you"?   Didn't buy it back then, did you?



Or maybe it was just blatantly ignored, I will let the reader make up their own conclusion.



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http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-deputies-union-files-complaint-over-immigration-175857857.html


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The union representing San Francisco sheriff's deputies has filed a complaint against the Sheriff's Department in the wake of a shooting that sparked debate over illegal immigration, the San Francisco Chronicle reported on Friday.

The newspaper said the San Francisco Deputy Sheriffs' Association connected the apparently random shooting of Kathryn Steinle, 32, by Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez to a department policy to block information about inmates from federal immigration authorities.

The newspaper said the union called for the cancellation of Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi's March memo barring staff from giving out information, including release dates, saying it "recklessly compromises the safety of sworn personnel, citizens, and those who merely come to visit the San Francisco area."



 


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If I understand this article correctly, Lost wants you to know the Sheriff deliberately kept this prisoner from ICE by using department policy.  That may be true but it's irrelevant to my belief that SF city policy wants immigrants turned over to ICE when they make a request.  Maybe the Sheriff has his own agenda and this was not a case of miscommunication.  That's possible.  I'm not 100% sure of the point Lost is trying to make here.

In any event, I still don't see enough here for the Feds to arrest and charge the Sheriff.  There is no way he could have imagined this released illegal immigrant was going to shoot someone.  The Sheriff should have turned this guy over but I don't think he'll be charged with anything criminal in nature.  I do think the city of SF will straighten him out sooner rather than later and the next time ICE asks for a detainee, they'll get him/her.

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So embarrassing....you really should run for office. You fit right in.
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Once again we have wondered away from facts, for a jaunt into Deweys' belief system.


I need a good chuckle tonight!

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Mike, it's up to the government to prosecute. With Obama in office, there will be no prosecutions, and the murders and rapes will continue unabated.

You're right about the Feds needing to pressure the sanctuaries and I don't see that happening with Obama in office. I had hoped suing the sanctuaries would lead to reforms, however this article is not encouraging - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/13/courts-could-give-san-francisco-sanctuary-in-potential-suit-over-illegal/. An excerpt:

"The main issue is whether the Steinle family could file a lawsuit against the city on the theory that it provided sanctuary to illegal immigrants by shielding them from deportation and thereby causing the murder of Kate Steinle," Yum said. "State law typically protects cities from being sued for injuries unless a city violated a law and caused harm that a statute was designed to prevent."

The key, according to Yum, would be showing that the city violated a state or federal law aimed at preventing violent crimes by illegal immigrants.

The real solution, according to Dan Stein, president of Federation for American Immigration Reform, is for the federal government to pressure cities to comply with federal policy and detain illegal immigrants until they can be turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials.

A SCOTUS ruling in 2012 on AZ's immigration law seemed to open the door for such suits (see http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/26/levin-scotus-immigration-decision-clears-way-to-sue-sanctuary-cites-states-with-in-state-tuition/). Unless something has changed since then, maybe we just need the right case and plaintiffs.

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PDad - the right case and plaintiffs would be nice, leading to a long, drawn out lawsuit that could take years.

What we really need is the right president.

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Once again we have wondered away from facts, for a jaunt into Deweys' belief system.


I need a good chuckle tonight!


Looks like an entertaining evening, would have loved to have participated.  In Houston last night watching the Astros clobber the BoSox was a fair alternative.

Dewy still doesn't get it.  He'll save "just one life" with some kind of gun or ammo ban that he can't describe but then make excuses after excuses for sanctuary cities and baby butchers.  The hypocrisy abounds.

"There is no way he could have imagined this released illegal immigrant was going to shoot someone. "

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Once again, out of context.  The sentence was part of my explanation as to why the Feds won't arrest the Sheriff for failing to turn the detainee over to ICE.  The fact remains, he should not have released the prisoner.
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These cities should not be deemed legal in any fashion.
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It's heartbreaking.  Paris is a beautiful city with good people.

The left has done all of this.  They tolerate and almost encourage this behavior and then cover it up.

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That video is 7 months old. I know you know pabar, it's gotten worse. This past weekend they shot more video. Been going on 2 years and hardly any coverage on the fake news channels. People that watch just local news are dumbfounded when I talk about it that it's actually happening today in Paris and Sweden.

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The same thing is going on in Sweden and in Germany.  Every problem is directly attributable not just to taking in refugees but also not making them adopt the local culture and assimilate.  They allow them to come in and live in the same kinds of conditions they had in their home country and just demand services from the government.

This all comes from a liberal mindset that says we need to be nice to people and have one world and completely open borders.  Guess what - it doesn't work and it never has and it never will.  Secure the GD border and make those that are here pledge allegiance to our country and God.

By the way, one of our local schools is now hosting an atheist group after school hours.  Isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state?

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The same thing that happens with the Muslim no go zones overseas can happen here on our shores. There were plenty of French Dewys who said it wouldnt happen to them. It doesn't necessarily HAVE to be Muslims invading. It can be anyone who would attack and overwhelm our vulnerable cities, draining their resources and all the while, refuse to assimilate
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what I can't believe about the Paris video that KIR posted is this:  how do ordinary Parisians feel about it?  It would seem to me that, at some point, regular folks would have enough, and would fight back to defend themselves and their property.

That sort of thing won't happen down south in the US.  It could happen up north.  Maybe Kazoo will move down south afterall.
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For those that haven't heard/seen what happened Monday night in Sweden while the LSM was still mocking what Trump said on Saturday despite his clarification - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39047455

Swedish police have launched an investigation after a riot erupted in a predominantly immigrant suburb of the capital, Stockholm.
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Rioters, some of them wearing masks, threw rocks, set vehicles on fire and looted shops from about 20:00 (19:00 GMT) on Monday in Rinkeby, which has a history of unrest.
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That video about Dearborn is terrifying.  This is what liberals don't understand about Islam.  It is not a religion of peace.  It is a religion of complete intolerance.  I laugh when I think about all the liberals talking about the US being an imperialist country.  Islam is the ultimate in imperialism.  Dearborn is the foot in the door.  If we're not vigilant, it will take over our entire country.

Mike - it's fight or flight.  The liberals will retreat to their own gated communities and still lecture the rest of us about tolerance and acceptance.  There's going to be a war and we better be prepared to win it at all costs and with no mercy toward the enemy.  They certainly have shown they have no mercy at all.

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For those that haven't heard/seen what happened Monday night in Sweden while the LSM was still mocking what Trump said on Saturday despite his clarification - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39047455

Swedish police have launched an investigation after a riot erupted in a predominantly immigrant suburb of the capital, Stockholm.
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Rioters, some of them wearing masks, threw rocks, set vehicles on fire and looted shops from about 20:00 (19:00 GMT) on Monday in Rinkeby, which has a history of unrest.


Love him or hate him, Trump has been right more often than he's been wrong.

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