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3leftturns

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I think you're purposely obtuse. You have to agree to play. There are a number of teams WHO REFUSE to play anywhere. Based on your comment, and the current selection committee's unique interpretation of their job, I don't see it getting any easier. What's the incentive to play any top programs anywhere other than your conference games.

Create a bonus/penalty system for home/away games, correct the issues with the RPI, and make it the sole decision for the top 16 seeds.
You most certainly are the one being obtuse and not absorbing the facts of the matter.

Your team is in no position to "REFUSE" to play in Cali at the neutral fields if, IF it cares about hosting in the first round. Certainly not in years where it doesn't get those three games against UF or Oregon

If you don't want to host, your current scheduling (with 5 T25 games played) is perfectly fine
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I really think it came down to Minny or Bama - both had only one team busing in. Limiting travel costs is a top priority for the regionals. They could have sent Bama to Minny, but Bama had the better resume, so...
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I really think it came down to Minny or Bama - both had only one team busing in. Limiting travel costs is a top priority for the regionals. They could have sent Bama to Minny, but Bama had the better resume, so...
Everyone in the top 16 had a better resume in the -- as gonegolfin says -- 'peer group'
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You most certainly are the one being obtuse and not absorbing the facts of the matter.

Your team is in no position to "REFUSE" to play in Cali at the neutral fields if, IF it cares about hosting in the first round. Certainly not in years where it doesn't get those three games against UF or Oregon

If you don't want to host, your current scheduling (with 5 T25 games played) is perfectly fine


The question shouldn't be how many top 25 wins you have, but what was your record in top 25 games.
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There is a balance. The one minimum it appears the committee is looking at is four wins. And, the more games played--the more times you put your record at risk, the better, it also seems

That said, if ULL was 4-0 vs. T25, they would be hosting, I am sure

If you don't believe what I have been saying about that minimum the past 8 years, check it yourself.

3 T25 wins or fewer has been the runny nose of getting significantly dropped from your RPI position by the committee
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There is a balance. The one minimum it appears the committee is looking at is four wins. And, the more games played--the more times you put your record at risk, the better, it also seems

That said, if ULL was 4-0 vs. T25, they would be hosting, I am sure

If you don't believe what I have been saying about that minimum the past 8 years, check it yourself.

3 T25 wins or fewer has been the runny nose of getting significantly dropped from your RPI position by the committee


So losing records against the top 25 don't matter, only that you play them enough to get 4 wins. Thanks, I'll pass that on.
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Lose it
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So losing records against the top 25 don't matter, only that you play them enough to get 4 wins. Thanks, I'll pass that on.
The two hosts who stick out for examination are FSU and LSU

FSU played only 11 T25 games and had 4.5 wins, but they had three T5 wins, obviously a major deal to the committee

LSU had a 6-16 T25 record, but had 4 wins against T10 teams. That must have saved them

Again, the only aspect of the top 16 in the bracket that I can't make a single bit of sense of is Kentucky seeded better than Bama

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Everyone in the top 16 had a better resume in the -- as gonegolfin says -- 'peer group'


Minimizing travel costs is a priority in the Regionals. They have a budget.
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Minimizing travel costs is a priority in the Regionals. They have a budget.
After the top 16 is selected, yes
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Utah has had TWELVE home games, Washington has had 18 home games, Michigan has had 18 home games. Utah went to Tempe, Long Beach, Palm Springs and Hawaii; Washington traveled to Puerto Vallarta, San Diego, Palm Springs, Fullerton and Tuscaloosa; Michigan went to Tampa, Palm Springs, Fullerton and Lexington


I didn't say it was impossible.  I said that I'm not interested in being lectured on the importance of strength of schedule in a universe in which so many of the top teams won't travel to play a northern team.  You talk about the Nutter, but there were hardly any SEC teams there.  Ditto the Garman.  The PAC 12 schools will step up, but the SEC won't.  And for a lot of the Pac 12 teams, trips to Palm Springs and Fullerton don't constitute an "away" game in the same way that it does for a team from the Big 10.  

As long as this is the situation that exists, the selection criteria need to include some recognition that there is a vast disparity between the number of home games, especially against quality opposition, that exists.  If that helps Utah and Michigan, too, I consider that a feature rather than a bug.
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As long as this is the situation that exists, the selection criteria need to include some recognition that there is a vast disparity between the number of home games, especially against quality opposition, that exists.  If that helps Utah and Michigan, too, I consider that a feature rather than a bug.


The shame of it is that it was supposed to be a factor. "Where the games were played" was a specific criteria the selection committee indicated that they would use. Wins against the top 25 was never specifically mentioned, only a vague reference to "quality wins."
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Well, yeah, that would be nice.

But, until then ...

More than half of the SEC teams played in Palm Springs this year, BTW

Tell me, what off week from conference play did Minnesota have? For Washington, it was April 21-23. For Oregon, it was May 5-7.

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Tell me, what off week from conference play did Minnesota have? For Washington, it was April 21-23. For Oregon, it was May 5-7.


They don't, since you can't play softball in Minnesota until April.  It requires a midweek trip.  In other words, it's inconvenient.  Kind of like having to fly somewhere every week for two months.
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Funny stuff.

Big Ten needs to focus its energies in not allowing so many of your schools to merrily trot out those terminal teams year after year with zero threat to the coach.

Get some good coaches into the mix, pay some money for it. Maybe even hire a male coach somewhere


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After the top 16 is selected, yes


No. See the 2016 volleyball seedings.

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No. See the 2016 volleyball seedings.

Volleyball unrelated to softball

If they were going to let travel penuriousness leak into the Top 16, these would have been the seeds

1. UF
2. Arizona
3. Oregon
4. Utah
5. Texas A&M
6. Tennessee
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Ole Miss
10. Alabama
11. Kentucky
12. Baylor
13. Oklahoma
14. Washington
15. UCLA
16. FSU

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It is the same for all non-revenue sports - the NCAA requires that travel costs stay within a strict budget. That's the real reason it takes three days. Don't underestimate the travel problems when you have 13 SEC teams, and 8 Pac-12 teams, that can't be paired with their conference mates in the Regionals. That alone could explain Ole Miss' and Utah's seedings.


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It is the same for all non-revenue sports - the NCAA requires that travel costs stay within a strict budget. That's the real reason it takes three days. Don't underestimate the travel problems when you have 13 SEC teams, and 8 Pac-12 teams, that can't be paired with their conference mates in the Regionals. That alone could explain Ole Miss' and Utah's seedings.


Noooo.... 11 T25 wins each explains their being hosts

If Utah had 3 or 4 T25s, maybe that dog hunts
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How many non-conference Top 25 wins does Utah have? Two. Ole Miss? None.

If the seeds bust the travel budget, they change the seeds, not the budget. It is the dirty secret of non-revenue sports. It has been exposed in volleyball.
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Well, that hasn't happened in softball in the top 16 in any sense where someone utterly undeserving has hosted for 3 bus trips, at least not that I have found any time recently.

T25 wins are T25 wins. And T5 wins, which Ole Miss and Utah had, are supercharged in value

There was nothing remotely illegitimate about Utah and Ole Miss getting bids.

Only close call would have been LSU and Minnesota
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Well, that hasn't happened in softball in the top 16 in any sense where someone utterly undeserving has hosted for 3 bus trips, at least not that I have found any time recently.

T25 wins are T25 wins. And T5 wins, which Ole Miss and Utah had, are supercharged in value

There was nothing remotely illegitimate about Utah and Ole Miss getting bids.

Only close call would have been LSU and Minnesota


Is beating Auburn not throwing Martin and Florida not throwing Barnhill really the same thing? The Committee is giving teams way too much credit for LOSING SERIES 1-2 or 1-3 versus a top team, sniping a win when they are resting their ace.

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BOTH Gourley and Barnhill are on Team USA, and both pitched against Ole Miss. Y'all act like freshman Chronister was trotted out there
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<< Again, the only aspect of the top 16 in the bracket that I can't make a single bit of sense of is Kentucky seeded better than Bama >> (3leftturns)

Kentucky provided the committee with better scotch and hookers than Bama. 

And Minnesota failed to provide any sort of bribe whatsoever.

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