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lotsoffish

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Bad umpires make bad calls, not female umpires. Some females are bad umps, some men are too. The women at the WCWS this year did make bad calls, this doesn't mean women aren't fit to ump in high pressure situations. It mean they need to vet the umps better.



For sure. How do they vet umpires now?  Oregon was perhaps denied a championship  by a missed foul ball call resulting in a total momentum shift in that game . Given the speed of the game, an instant replay system is probably the realistic way to solve this problem. 
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How about not allowing women to umpire any of the WCWs games since that vast majority of the blunders/blown calls were made by them.
As lotsoffish referenced, Cody Little made the most inexcusable call in OKC this year. Near-stationary, clearly foul two-strike bunt, less than 10 feet away, unobstructed view, no ask for help.

These umps, no matter their plumbing, need to be publicly accountable after games, just like coaches and players

And there needs to be video review.


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<< HLA, she's already a #1 for most D1 teams in the country. Most likely you could rotate her in for OK on a regular basis & they wouldn't miss a beat. >> (outofzone)

Mariah actually had the best W-L record among the Oklahoma pitching staff big three in the 2017 season at 18-1. But she did have the advantage of pitching more of her IP against their lesser opponents. Here are some stats from their big three this last season:

Pitcher ....... IP ........ W-L ....... Sv ....... ERA ...... K/7 ....... EBH/7 ........ FB/7
Parker ..... 210.1 ..... 26-5 ........ 2 ....... 1.43 ..... 8.72 ....... 1.36 .......... 1.8
Lowary .... 146.2 ..... 16-3 ...... 11 ....... 1.53 ..... 5.82 ....... 0.76 .......... 2.0
Lopez ...... 101.0 ..... 18-1 ........ 2 ....... 2.08 ..... 7.55 ....... 1.32 .......... 1.5

It will be interesting to see how much they each pitch in the 2018 season. I expect it will be pretty similar to what they did this past season. Lopez is a high quality pitcher - but I don't see her as being at the same level as the two Paiges, right now. By the time she begins her junior season (2019), she may be primed to step right in and become the dominant #1 starting pitcher for the Sooners (and possibly one of the top few pitchers in the country). 

<< The stats you mentioned...not to be debbie downer but, just not that impressive considering who she was throwing against. >> (outofzone)

Your statement seems to be saying - that no matter what she had done vs. that level of competition - it just cannot be impressive (based on the relatively weak competition).

But... the fact remains that it would be hard to put up better stats than she did (no runs allowed, only one base runner allowed in 7.1 IP, and 2.18 strike outs per IP). She struck out 16 of the possible 22 outs while she was in the circle (73%). I'd say those ARE impressive stats. She pretty much did everything she could have done to help her team win. 

Yes... it's not like she did this at the WCWS - but she did everything she could have done against the opponents she was facing. So I still say, Nice job, Mariah. Well done!
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She actually pitched more than I would have thought. Good stats.

My point was I think there would be an EXPECTATION she would control the Innings Pitched like she did. You didn't see her get any critical innings on the mound so no doubt she was there for other reasons, and rightfully so.

And sure, she did a fantastic job, I agree.

With Parker Conrad in the mix, 2019 will be interesting to watch. There's a good chance Conrad will gather more splinters in 2018. Sitting around getting minimal innings for 2 solid years not good. 
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How about not allowing women to umpire any of the WCWs games since that vast majority of the blunders/blown calls were made by them.

Get out of the stone age please. No one was ever thinking of blaming women. Back to your hole where you belong.

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Keepitreal

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3LT. Glad you contributed some new refreshing information on the umpire subject.
3leftturns

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I've given you accuracy.

And if requires repetition -- like teaching children to read -- then it will be repeated.
Keepitreal

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Redundancy is what we get with you on this subject. By the way replay has been proven to have faults as well.

That game is over. You need to build a bridge or seek counseling.
3leftturns

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No, a shot was taken at women as umpires.

It apparently needed to be said.... AGAIN

Wake up and read
lotsoffish

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Redundancy is what we get with you on this subject. By the way replay has been proven to have faults as well. That game is over. You need to build a bridge or seek counseling.



How was it proven? Was it another camera angle? Much better to have instant replay evidence then one or three people saying it was so. I think its availability will itself provide better discipline and perhaps training material for future umpires. 
HenryLouisAaron

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<< By the way replay has been proven to have faults as well. >> (Keepitreal)

Would you like to list those "faults" for us all to see...?

I am betting that whatever "faults" you might come up with... 
implementing video review would clearly make the game better - than not having it. 
In my view, not having it (for at least all the NCAA tournament games) is just plain stupid. 
Those games will all be televised - so replays will already be available.
It is just a matter assigning someone qualified to do the actual reviews - as those situations happen. 
This seems like such an easy thing to do (and something almost everyone agrees should be done)... 
so it is very hard to understand - why it is not happening.

And I'd also love to see the k-zone back on the screen for every pitch.
3leftturns

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word for word, Hammer
Keepitreal

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The replay is only as good as the angle used. The most important however is the reviewing official. You get an incompetent or biased review official and then the review process is worthless. I have seen it happen on more than one occasion.

Most of the time it works but let's not be so naive that to think it is flawless.
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Get out of the stone age please. No one was ever thinking of blaming women. Back to your hole where you belong.

LOL.  You are the one who has been living the dark whole.  It has been known for quite some time (except apparently by you) that there has been a push to have the majority of the umpires for Super Regionals and the WCWS to be women.  That is a fact.  That has lead to many marginal women umpires being given assignments over more qualified/competent male counterparts.  As I stated in my previous post, the majority of the blown calls at the most recent WCWS were made by woman umpires.  Once again, this is a fact. Maybe you failed to notice that the umpire crew for the championship series was an all male crew.  You might not like these facts, but it is what it is.   

All I was saying in my previous post, maybe not articulated well enough, was political correctness be damned.  I want the best umpires, male or female, working the highest profile games.  Right now, the best umpires appear to be all males.

leip822

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LOL.  You are the one who has been living the dark whole.  It has been known for quite some time (except apparently by you) that there has been a push to have the majority of the umpires for Super Regionals and the WCWS to be women.  That is a fact.  That has lead to many marginal women umpires being given assignments over more qualified/competent male counterparts.  As I stated in my previous post, the majority of the blown calls at the most recent WCWS were made by woman umpires.  Once again, this is a fact. Maybe you failed to notice that the umpire crew for the championship series was an all male crew.  You might not like these facts, but it is what it is.   

All I was saying in my previous post, maybe not articulated well enough, was political correctness be damned.  I want the best umpires, male or female, working the highest profile games.  Right now, the best umpires appear to be all males.


Oh no! You said clearly ban all women from being umpires, which isn't politically incorrect, it's just sexist and over generalizing.

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<< By the way replay has been proven to have faults as well. >> (Keepitreal)

Would you like to list those "faults" for us all to see...?

I am betting that whatever "faults" you might come up with... 
implementing video review would clearly make the game better - than not having it. 
In my view, not having it (for at least all the NCAA tournament games) is just plain stupid. 
Those games will all be televised - so replays will already be available.
It is just a matter assigning someone qualified to do the actual reviews - as those situations happen. 
This seems like such an easy thing to do (and something almost everyone agrees should be done)... 
so it is very hard to understand - why it is not happening.

And I'd also love to see the k-zone back on the screen for every pitch.


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3leftturns

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It's like saying seatbelts are a bad idea because in a couple of situations they may impede a panicking person's ability to escape a submerged car or a fire
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